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What if ufos are enemy aircraft?

Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:05 pm

ufo sightings have been increasing in the last few years and less have been hoaxes. The government is admitting they exist but there is one catchm
These craft are in fact secretive and unidentified. This is known by defense experts and pilots have spotted them so many times.
None of them are identifable and explanations are nowehre. But is it really aliens? And why would the government hide it?
One explanation: not to cause panic.
It would make sense Russia and China both have space forces and unknown technology. The military doenst want to say they are outmatched by futuristic spacecraft. But new evidences has been verified and released along with showing funds for a hot investigation program later stopped.

I believe the government needs to admit advanced draft exist and start funding efforts for more advanced craft and sabotaging Chinese/Russian ships. They shoud attack spy drones and not tolerate this in airpsace. Also less dark money would be good and space defense is a good investment. Do you believe this is a threat? Or that they even exist? Extrestials or foreigners?
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:21 pm

Most of the time a UFO is a weather balloon or a star. After that just a normal plane, or helicopter someone has misidentified. Then finally experimental aircraft of what ever country the UFO was spotted in(or if you're in a NATO country, American experimental Aircraft). Nations don't like or really want to test their highly secret prototypes over other countries, not a good idea for things that can crash.

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Postby The Chuck » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:26 pm

I too like to go balls to the walls with my twin J-58 turboramjet engines and burn JP-7 all around the world while making folks scratch their heads and think I'm flying a UFO space craft when it's just a very fast plane... :P
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Postby Arkeyana » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:31 pm

The Chuck wrote:I too like to go balls to the walls with my twin J-58 turboramjet engines and burn JP-7 all around the world while making folks scratch their heads and think I'm flying a UFO space craft when it's just a very fast plane... :P


Same lol

But anyways....yeah no. I doubt any stealth aircraft would be flying anywhere near low enough to be spotted by us. And why even use those when you have spy satellites and whatnot?

And even if aliens were visiting earth, that fact alone would want governments to cover it up to keep the immense economic, social, cultural, and political backlashes that'd come from a full-on First Contact.

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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:33 pm

Heloin wrote:Most of the time a UFO is a weather balloon or a star. After that just a normal plane, or helicopter someone has misidentified. Then finally experimental aircraft of what ever country the UFO was spotted in(or if you're in a NATO country, American experimental Aircraft). Nations don't like or really want to test their highly secret prototypes over other countries, not a good idea for things that can crash.

Here's a good start on it: https://www.space.com/ufos-real-but-not ... eships.htm
Not experimental, fully functioning and unknown. Skeptics and believers in the defense agree: it's something. Countless if I sightings could be explained by foreign craft harassing Americans and collecting information while leave false flags/drugging victims. They could have been planning for decades and nearly all alien sightings are from 1920-2020 with most during the cold war and modern era. China and Russia are American enemies with high technological capability and willingness for conspiracy.
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Postby Highever » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:37 pm

Why would or should the government make potentially top secret military R&D public knowledge? That completely eliminates the purpose.


Regardless, no they are not necessarily enemy aircraft. There are hundreds of things any given UFO could be.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:37 pm

Arkeyana wrote:
The Chuck wrote:I too like to go balls to the walls with my twin J-58 turboramjet engines and burn JP-7 all around the world while making folks scratch their heads and think I'm flying a UFO space craft when it's just a very fast plane... :P


Same lol

But anyways....yeah no. I doubt any stealth aircraft would be flying anywhere near low enough to be spotted by us. And why even use those when you have spy satellites and whatnot?

And even if aliens were visiting earth, that fact alone would want governments to cover it up to keep the immense economic, social, cultural, and political backlashes that'd come from a full-on First Contact.

Disgusting attacks as aliens causes more fear terror and confusion- nobody will believe the either. You can collect up close evidence while making the agency too embarrassed to investigate.
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The Navy and Air Force could recognize one.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:38 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Heloin wrote:Most of the time a UFO is a weather balloon or a star. After that just a normal plane, or helicopter someone has misidentified. Then finally experimental aircraft of what ever country the UFO was spotted in(or if you're in a NATO country, American experimental Aircraft). Nations don't like or really want to test their highly secret prototypes over other countries, not a good idea for things that can crash.

Here's a good start on it: https://www.space.com/ufos-real-but-not ... eships.htm
Not experimental, fully functioning and unknown. Skeptics and believers in the defense agree: it's something. Countless if I sightings could be explained by foreign craft harassing Americans and collecting information while leave false flags/drugging victims. They could have been planning for decades and nearly all alien sightings are from 1920-2020 with most during the cold war and modern era. China and Russia are American enemies with high technological capability and willingness for conspiracy.

America could be doing the same thing to Russia and China.
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Postby Cappuccina » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:49 pm

I highly doubt they're enemy aircraft, many of these things go speeds well beyond anything a plane can do.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:52 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Heloin wrote:Most of the time a UFO is a weather balloon or a star. After that just a normal plane, or helicopter someone has misidentified. Then finally experimental aircraft of what ever country the UFO was spotted in(or if you're in a NATO country, American experimental Aircraft). Nations don't like or really want to test their highly secret prototypes over other countries, not a good idea for things that can crash.

Here's a good start on it: https://www.space.com/ufos-real-but-not ... eships.htm
Not experimental, fully functioning and unknown. Skeptics and believers in the defense agree: it's something. Countless if I sightings could be explained by foreign craft harassing Americans and collecting information while leave false flags/drugging victims. They could have been planning for decades and nearly all alien sightings are from 1920-2020 with most during the cold war and modern era. China and Russia are American enemies with high technological capability and willingness for conspiracy.

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Postby The Chuck » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:53 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Here's a good start on it: https://www.space.com/ufos-real-but-not ... eships.htm
Not experimental, fully functioning and unknown. Skeptics and believers in the defense agree: it's something. Countless if I sightings could be explained by foreign craft harassing Americans and collecting information while leave false flags/drugging victims. They could have been planning for decades and nearly all alien sightings are from 1920-2020 with most during the cold war and modern era. China and Russia are American enemies with high technological capability and willingness for conspiracy.

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Postby Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:59 pm

I believe that a significant portion is (in order from most common to least) natural phenomena, civilian aircraft, fireworks, or (experimental) military craft originating from a nearby location. I doubt many militaries would go all the way to an enemy government's controlled airspace just to hover in plain sight for a while then abruptly and rapidly leave, usually leaving little to no evidence of their presence aside from a possibly existant blurry photo made by some random person.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:23 pm

Cappuccina wrote:I highly doubt they're enemy aircraft, many of these things go speeds well beyond anything a plane can do.

Indeed. With some of these things, if they are enemy aircraft, then we're just fucked.

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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:28 pm

UFOs you may refer to can be weather balloons, or anything else that looks suspicious and out of Earth from below. Unless secretly armed with missiles and lasers, they’ren’t enemy aircraft, as they have no business checking out another nation’s weather, unless for some secretive purposes.

But UFOs as aircraft with abilities we haven’t seen before? That’s scary. And being enemy aircraft? It’s highly possible, and scary. I find it’s sensible for highly advanced aircraft to spy on enemy territory.

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Postby Godular » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:32 pm

I saw this thing flying through the sky once, and I didn't know what it was. I went to look it up, to see if it was some kind of alien fleet ship, but alas.

'Twas merely a sparrowhawk.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:55 pm

Well, at least it’s not one of those “inevitability of Communism” threads.
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Postby Godular » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:00 pm

Kowani wrote:Well, at least it’s not one of those “inevitability of Communism” threads.


The Sparrowhawk DID look a little reddish.
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Postby The Chuck » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:00 pm

Kowani wrote:Well, at least it’s not one of those “inevitability of Communism” threads.


Oh shit, just saw a UFO, has to be the reds, get the flak cannons boys, better dead then red! *Thump thump thump* :P
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Postby Radiatia » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:13 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:ufo sightings have been increasing in the last few years


Really? Do you have a source for that? Because I suspect it's the same number there have always been and in fact I'd argue that it's happening less often than, say, the 1970s when it seemed to be more prevalently talked about than now.

The government is admitting they exist


Well yeah by definition if you see an object flying and you can't identify it then it is an unidentified flying object. I saw a UFO in my bedroom the other day because something was flying around and I couldn't see if it was an insect or a bit of dust - I couldn't seem to identify it, initially.

These craft are in fact secretive and unidentified. This is known by defense experts and pilots have spotted them so many times.
None of them are identifable and explanations are nowehre. But is it really aliens? And why would the government hide it?
One explanation: not to cause panic.
It would make sense Russia and China both have space forces and unknown technology. The military doenst want to say they are outmatched by futuristic spacecraft. But new evidences has been verified and released along with showing funds for a hot investigation program later stopped.


I'm actually with you on this one, to an extent. I've always suspected that most 'UFO' activity has been the result of military experiments - in fact Area 51 was/is most likely a testing ground for this.

I believe the government needs to admit advanced draft exist and start funding efforts for more advanced craft and sabotaging Chinese/Russian ships.


Why? There's absolutely no evidence that either of those countries have the technology and even if they did why would they engage in hostilities against the US?

I'll admit I don't really trust China, but the Russians have frequently gone on record saying they want to work with America, while America is consistently the antagonistic one in the relationship, almost purely due to its politicians being driven by Yellow Journalism.

This may come as a shock to most Americans but the Cold War is actually over.
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:15 pm

"What if UFOs are enemy aircraft?"

This should be the new policy: If it can't be identified, then shoot it.
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:34 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:"What if UFOs are enemy aircraft?"

This should be the new policy: If it can't be identified, then shoot it.


That sounds like a good way to absolutely fuck yourself over.
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Postby Volnaya Territoriya » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:37 pm

I think the premise of the entire OP lacks any sort of scientific thinking skills. For starters UFOs means unidentified flying object, which means that WHENEVER anything new is seen in the sky, it is by definition a UFO. No alien/x-files bullshit.
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Postby Volnaya Territoriya » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:38 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:"What if UFOs are enemy aircraft?"

This should be the new policy: If it can't be identified, then shoot it.

So how will we shoot objects millions of light years away?
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Postby Page » Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:10 am

I think it's more likely that UFO's seen in America are secret American aircraft than those of foreign powers.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:53 am

Page wrote:I think it's more likely that UFO's seen in America are secret American aircraft than those of foreign powers.

It’s still possible that it’s that of foreign powers. It can avoid being on the radar and those that find it won’t care to shoot it down. Therefore, we may want to be careful should we ever find any hard proof of more advanced technology.

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