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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:29 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:The whales must be protected.

We should create a powerful international agency to enforce the protection of whales against the whole world to save the whales.

Give them a powerful fleet of frigates, destroyers, and subs.

Start hunting down these whaling ships and give them fair warning to stop.


Whale Wars, the literal version. Because using warships against civilian vessels operating inside their own territorial/EEZ waters would most likely start a war.
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Postby US-SSR » Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:33 pm

-Ocelot- wrote:Here are the simple facts

Japan will always hunt whales.

People will always consume meat.

Consuming meat is ethical and necessary.


Well, more a matter of taste really. But I'd agree it's not unethical; nor is it more ethical to not eat meat. De gustibus pretty much.

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It's hard to argue that whales are better off for whaling.


Domesticated whales might be better off.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:36 pm

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-Ocelot- wrote:Here are the simple facts

Japan will always hunt whales.

People will always consume meat.

Consuming meat is ethical and necessary.


Well, more a matter of taste really. But I'd agree it's not unethical; nor is it more ethical to not eat meat. De gustibus pretty much.

Neanderthaland wrote:It's hard to argue that whales are better off for whaling.


Domesticated whales might be better off.

How many domesticated whales are there? ‘Cause Seaworld ain’t a great place to live.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:02 pm

Shame on Japan for doing this. Anyone who would hunt these magnificent creatures ought to be ashamed of themselves.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:18 pm

US-SSR wrote:
-Ocelot- wrote:Here are the simple facts

Japan will always hunt whales.

People will always consume meat.

Consuming meat is ethical and necessary.


Well, more a matter of taste really. But I'd agree it's not unethical; nor is it more ethical to not eat meat. De gustibus pretty much.

Neanderthaland wrote:It's hard to argue that whales are better off for whaling.


Domesticated whales might be better off.

The evidence suggests they don't take well to captivity either.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:28 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:The whales must be protected.

We should create a powerful international agency to enforce the protection of whales against the whole world to save the whales.

Give them a powerful fleet of frigates, destroyers, and subs.

Start hunting down these whaling ships and give them fair warning to stop.


Whale Wars, the literal version. Because using warships against civilian vessels operating inside their own territorial/EEZ waters would most likely start a war.


Wars have been started over less

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:21 pm

NERVUN wrote:Something to note: Japan is whaling in its waters and its EEZ, it is NOT in the Arctic or Antarctic waters, and is well clear of the Whale Sanctuary.

I highly doubt that, unless the ministry continues to feed subsidies, that it can be sustained. It's just not eaten over here as it once was. Those who have a fondness for it are the older generation who remember the post-war years. The younger generation... they like McDonald's too much.

But Whale sashimi is so good.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:34 pm

The thing about this, and Japan's fishing practices in general, is that: if every country behaved like Japan, it would be a disaster. Not just for whales, but for fish stocks generally.

Japan depends on everyone else following the rules to sustain it's bad practices. And that's corrosive. If other countries see that there's no penalty for not playing ball, they're going to start going their own way too. Especially in poorer countries as fish stocks decline.
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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:41 am

Eh, well, as long as they don’t hunt them to extinction, not a big deal. Minkies aren’t endangered, right?

San Lumen wrote:Shame on Japan for doing this. Anyone who would hunt these magnificent creatures ought to be ashamed of themselves.

What’s so magnificent about whales off Japan’s coast that can’t be said about any other creature that we regularly hunt? I mean, I think deer are graceful as hell and could potentially be sweet companions if you could manage to tame them. I still advocate hunting and eating them, though there’s a stronger case than whaling for it being necessary.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:44 am

Ors Might wrote:Eh, well, as long as they don’t hunt them to extinction, not a big deal. Minkies aren’t endangered, right?

San Lumen wrote:Shame on Japan for doing this. Anyone who would hunt these magnificent creatures ought to be ashamed of themselves.

What’s so magnificent about whales off Japan’s coast that can’t be said about any other creature that we regularly hunt? I mean, I think deer are graceful as hell and could potentially be sweet companions if you could manage to tame them. I still advocate hunting and eating them, though there’s a stronger case than whaling for it being necessary.

Hunting should be banned

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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:45 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Eh, well, as long as they don’t hunt them to extinction, not a big deal. Minkies aren’t endangered, right?


What’s so magnificent about whales off Japan’s coast that can’t be said about any other creature that we regularly hunt? I mean, I think deer are graceful as hell and could potentially be sweet companions if you could manage to tame them. I still advocate hunting and eating them, though there’s a stronger case than whaling for it being necessary.

Hunting should be banned

That would lead to starvation for both humans and animals. You know that there’s an ecological need for deer hunting, right?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:47 am

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Hunting should be banned

That would lead to starvation for both humans and animals. You know that there’s an ecological need for deer hunting, right?

I care more about the deer than humans at this point considering how we treat this planet and other spices

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Postby Alvecia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:48 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:That would lead to starvation for both humans and animals. You know that there’s an ecological need for deer hunting, right?

I care more about the deer than humans at this point considering how we treat this planet and other spices

Stop spice abuse!

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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:50 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:That would lead to starvation for both humans and animals. You know that there’s an ecological need for deer hunting, right?

I care more about the deer than humans at this point considering how we treat this planet and other spices

..Not hunting deer would lead to overpopulation of many deer populations in environments where they lack a sufficient number of natural predators. Which would in turn lead to many deer starving to death. Your hateboner for mankind would fuck over your deer.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:05 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:That would lead to starvation for both humans and animals. You know that there’s an ecological need for deer hunting, right?

I care more about the deer than humans at this point considering how we treat this planet and other spices


I treat my spices very well. I keep them dry, with a snug lid on the containers.

Also, hunting deer prevents property damage, reduces disease spread, decreases competition for food, and provides food for humans.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:07 am

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I care more about the deer than humans at this point considering how we treat this planet and other spices


I treat my spices very well. I keep them dry, with a snug lid on the containers.

Also, hunting deer prevents property damage, reduces disease spread, decreases competition for food, and provides food for humans.

I dont care about property damage by deer or food for humans at this point. we are killing this planet. Birds, deer and fish matter more.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:11 am

San Lumen wrote:
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I treat my spices very well. I keep them dry, with a snug lid on the containers.

Also, hunting deer prevents property damage, reduces disease spread, decreases competition for food, and provides food for humans.

I dont care about property damage by deer or food for humans at this point. we are killing this planet. Birds, deer and fish matter more.


I notice you didn't mention disease and competition for food.

And no, they don't.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:13 am

San Lumen wrote:
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I treat my spices very well. I keep them dry, with a snug lid on the containers.

Also, hunting deer prevents property damage, reduces disease spread, decreases competition for food, and provides food for humans.

I dont care about property damage by deer or food for humans at this point. we are killing this planet. Birds, deer and fish matter more.

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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:26 am

San Lumen wrote:
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I treat my spices very well. I keep them dry, with a snug lid on the containers.

Also, hunting deer prevents property damage, reduces disease spread, decreases competition for food, and provides food for humans.

I dont care about property damage by deer or food for humans at this point. we are killing this planet. Birds, deer and fish matter more.

No they don’t. Also I love the lack of response to my point about deer overpopulation.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:27 am

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I dont care about property damage by deer or food for humans at this point. we are killing this planet. Birds, deer and fish matter more.


I notice you didn't mention disease and competition for food.

And no, they don't.

In my view they do considering how we treat other species and the environment

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:05 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Eh, well, as long as they don’t hunt them to extinction, not a big deal. Minkies aren’t endangered, right?


What’s so magnificent about whales off Japan’s coast that can’t be said about any other creature that we regularly hunt? I mean, I think deer are graceful as hell and could potentially be sweet companions if you could manage to tame them. I still advocate hunting and eating them, though there’s a stronger case than whaling for it being necessary.

Hunting should be banned


You are more then welcome to try, just don't get mad when people like me laugh at you the entire time you try and do it though.

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San Lumen wrote:I care more about the deer than humans at this point considering how we treat this planet and other spices


I treat my spices very well. I keep them dry, with a snug lid on the containers.


Me, I like to keep mine on a shelf in the pantry next to the meat freezer for easy access when I BBQ/Grill. Works out pretty well.

San Lumen wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
I treat my spices very well. I keep them dry, with a snug lid on the containers.

Also, hunting deer prevents property damage, reduces disease spread, decreases competition for food, and provides food for humans.

I dont care about property damage by deer or food for humans at this point. we are killing this planet. Birds, deer and fish matter more.


Actual question here, as I'm honestly curious....

Do you actually go out and interact with real people saying things like this, or do you just solely reserve sharing these types of ideas on the internet?

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San Lumen wrote:I dont care about property damage by deer or food for humans at this point. we are killing this planet. Birds, deer and fish matter more.

No they don’t. Also I love the lack of response to my point about deer overpopulation.


The state I grew up in had the Government (in all it's stupidity) reintroduced the wolf into the ecosystem after it being extinct for nearly a hundred years because the whitetail and elk populations were so massive that even an almost free reign on hunting permits wasn't enough to keep the populations in check that were destroying the ecosystem around them.

Fast forward ten+ years, we still have an overpopulation problem, but at least we now have a booming wolf hunting industry as the fuckers are growing unchecked.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:17 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:That would lead to starvation for both humans and animals. You know that there’s an ecological need for deer hunting, right?

I care more about the deer than humans at this point considering how we treat this planet and other spices


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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:22 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Hunting should be banned


You are more then welcome to try, just don't get mad when people like me laugh at you the entire time you try and do it though.

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
I treat my spices very well. I keep them dry, with a snug lid on the containers.


Me, I like to keep mine on a shelf in the pantry next to the meat freezer for easy access when I BBQ/Grill. Works out pretty well.

San Lumen wrote:I dont care about property damage by deer or food for humans at this point. we are killing this planet. Birds, deer and fish matter more.


Actual question here, as I'm honestly curious....

Do you actually go out and interact with real people saying things like this, or do you just solely reserve sharing these types of ideas on the internet?

Ors Might wrote:No they don’t. Also I love the lack of response to my point about deer overpopulation.


The state I grew up in had the Government (in all it's stupidity) reintroduced the wolf into the ecosystem after it being extinct for nearly a hundred years because the whitetail and elk populations were so massive that even an almost free reign on hunting permits wasn't enough to keep the populations in check that were destroying the ecosystem around them.

Fast forward ten+ years, we still have an overpopulation problem, but at least we now have a booming wolf hunting industry as the fuckers are growing unchecked.

See, this is what bothers me about Lumen’s particular brand of environmentalism. He and people like him stopped listening in earth science class immediately after they covered global warming and endangered species. They don’t have a concept of ecosystems needing a balance between prey and predator species and so they say stupid crap like “hunting is unethical”.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:28 am

Ors Might wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
You are more then welcome to try, just don't get mad when people like me laugh at you the entire time you try and do it though.



Me, I like to keep mine on a shelf in the pantry next to the meat freezer for easy access when I BBQ/Grill. Works out pretty well.



Actual question here, as I'm honestly curious....

Do you actually go out and interact with real people saying things like this, or do you just solely reserve sharing these types of ideas on the internet?



The state I grew up in had the Government (in all it's stupidity) reintroduced the wolf into the ecosystem after it being extinct for nearly a hundred years because the whitetail and elk populations were so massive that even an almost free reign on hunting permits wasn't enough to keep the populations in check that were destroying the ecosystem around them.

Fast forward ten+ years, we still have an overpopulation problem, but at least we now have a booming wolf hunting industry as the fuckers are growing unchecked.

See, this is what bothers me about Lumen’s particular brand of environmentalism. He and people like him stopped listening in earth science class immediately after they covered global warming and endangered species. They don’t have a concept of ecosystems needing a balance between prey and predator species and so they say stupid crap like “hunting is unethical”.


San can cry "Unethical" all they want, as it's not going to stop me or the other millions of Americans from putting food on our tables via hunting.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
I treat my spices very well. I keep them dry, with a snug lid on the containers.

Also, hunting deer prevents property damage, reduces disease spread, decreases competition for food, and provides food for humans.

I dont care about property damage by deer or food for humans at this point. we are killing this planet. Birds, deer and fish matter more.


Nobody is calling for the extermination of all deer. Controlled hunting of deer is necessary, otherwise deer will face overpopulation and starvation.
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