Charlottesville attacker gets life sentence

[Salandriagado]

This kind of attitude is what makes it so hard to get appropriate rehabilitative care in the US prison system. Yes, he did an absolutely horrible thing and irreversibly harmed the lives of many, but he's not completely beyond redemption (or he wouldn't be if our prison systems weren't solely focused on punitive justice).

Murderers aren't really the people rehabilitation is or should be focused on.

Why not? It works.

[Kowani]

Yeah, that’s feasible. What do we even have appeals for?

Delaying the inevitable.

Surface level nihilism.

[Grenartia]

The death penalty costs more than a life sentence, deary.

No, seriously, the death penalty's fucking expensive.

Not when the trial and execution are the same event!

Oh, look. The Nazi thinks abolishing due process is a good idea.

But then we won't be tough on crime and lose a massive population of slave labor!

Isn’t indentured servitude on the list of acceptable punishments?

Is =/= ought.

Isn’t indentured servitude on the list of acceptable punishments?

Considering prisoners in America already live in the New World, no, it is not.

The "Frenworld" resident is trying to say that forced servitude is explicitly allowed for convicts under the 13th Amendment. Which, while true, is an oversight that never should've been allowed in the first place.

[Loben The 2nd]

Not when the trial and execution are the same event!

Oh, look. The Nazi thinks abolishing due process is a good idea.

Isn’t indentured servitude on the list of acceptable punishments?

Is =/= ought.

Considering prisoners in America already live in the New World, no, it is not.

The "Frenworld" resident is trying to say that forced servitude is explicitly allowed for convicts under the 13th Amendment. Which, while true, is an oversight that never should've been allowed in the first place.

Me? A nazi?

Surely you jest.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

The death penalty costs more than a life sentence, deary.

No, seriously, the death penalty's fucking expensive.

Not when the trial and execution are the same event!

Let's not abolish due process. It exists for a reason.

[Nakena]

Not when the trial and execution are the same event!

Let's not abolish due process. It exists for a reason.

Trial and execution at the same time. Wouldn that something like trial by combat?

Like in the old roman days when people where thrown into a collesseum to fight with a spear against some wild beasts... providing much public amusement in the process.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Murderers aren't really the people rehabilitation is or should be focused on.

Why not? It works.

Sometimes it does. It does not work with psychopaths.

[Fartsniffage]

Why not? It works.

Sometimes it does. It does not work with psychopaths.

Really? Why not?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Sometimes it does. It does not work with psychopaths.

Really? Why not?

I'll cite something when I'm not on my phone, but it is because psychopathy is genetic.

[Fartsniffage]

Really? Why not?

I'll cite something when I'm not on my phone, but it is because psychopathy is genetic.

That doesn't mean that education can't work. With a psychopath you teach them about self interest. Prison is bad so don't commit crimes kinda thing.

[New haven america]

Let's not abolish due process. It exists for a reason.

Trial and execution at the same time. Wouldn that something like trial by combat?

Like in the old roman days when people where thrown into a collesseum to fight with a spear against some wild beasts... providing much public amusement in the process.

Ah, but you see, there exists a possibility that the alleged criminal could live or win the case.

We can't have that, they're criminals after all.

[New haven america]

Not when the trial and execution are the same event!

Oh, look. The Nazi thinks abolishing due process is a good idea.

Isn’t indentured servitude on the list of acceptable punishments?

Is =/= ought.

Considering prisoners in America already live in the New World, no, it is not.

The "Frenworld" resident is trying to say that forced servitude is explicitly allowed for convicts under the 13th Amendment. Which, while true, is an oversight that never should've been allowed in the first place.

I know what they're trying to do, I'm just making fun of their misuse of the term "Indentured Servitude."

[Fartsniffage]

Trial and execution at the same time. Wouldn that something like trial by combat?

Like in the old roman days when people where thrown into a collesseum to fight with a spear against some wild beasts... providing much public amusement in the process.

Ah, but you see, there exists a possibility that the alleged criminal could live or win the case.

We can't have that, they're criminals after all.

If you're popular enough then being a criminal doesn't matter. See the US electing Donald Trump as President.

[Salandriagado]

Why not? It works.

Sometimes it does. It does not work with psychopaths.

Nonsense. There are vast numbers of non-offending psychopaths around. See, for example, most successful politicans and CEOs.

[Grenartia]

I'll cite something when I'm not on my phone, but it is because psychopathy is genetic.

That doesn't mean that education can't work. With a psychopath you teach them about self interest. Prison is bad so don't commit crimes kinda thing.

Still, the point is, certain people have mental health issues that render them unable to be rehabilitated like everyone else. Certain forms of schizophrenia, for instance. Not everyone with it will go on a murdering rampage, obviously, but some individuals with certain forms of it are more prone to violence than others. And while medication is avaliable, it isn't always effective, and even when it is, the side effects can be bad enough that some people avoid taking it altogether.

So, a person with a violent history, and with schizophrenia, probably should be in an environment where they are separated from the general population over the long-term, and ensured they take their meds. Said environment definitely should not be an American-style prison, but still.

[New haven america]

Sometimes it does. It does not work with psychopaths.

Nonsense. There are vast numbers of non-offending psychopaths around. See, for example, most successful politicans and CEOs.

They're still offending, just for different crimes (Well, some of them do have murder and rape under their belt, but they usually just buy out judges or the jury, which is also a crime).

[New haven america]

That doesn't mean that education can't work. With a psychopath you teach them about self interest. Prison is bad so don't commit crimes kinda thing.

Still, the point is, certain people have mental health issues that render them unable to be rehabilitated like everyone else. Certain forms of schizophrenia, for instance. Not everyone with it will go on a murdering rampage, obviously, but some individuals with certain forms of it are more prone to violence than others. And while medication is avaliable, it isn't always effective, and even when it is, the side effects can be bad enough that some people avoid taking it altogether.

So, a person with a violent history, and with schizophrenia, probably should be in an environment where they are separated from the general population over the long-term, and ensured they take their meds. Said environment definitely should not be an American-style prison, but still.

This is why we need government run asylums. Not how they were in the 1900's though, I mean actual safe areas that are well staffed and funded and can get people the help they need.

Or we could just give more money to the military and PIC, that's apparently a good and popular thing for some reason.

[Grenartia]

Sometimes it does. It does not work with psychopaths.

Nonsense. There are vast numbers of non-offending psychopaths around. See, for example, most successful politicans and CEOs.

It could be argued that many of those politicians and CEOs do, in fact, commit crimes. Its just that they're also able to influence the legal system to allow the crimes they most often commit.

I'm not at all denying that there are non-offending psychopaths, but you simply didn't choose a very good example, IMO.

[New haven america]

Nonsense. There are vast numbers of non-offending psychopaths around. See, for example, most successful politicans and CEOs.

It could be argued that many of those politicians and CEOs do, in fact, commit crimes. Its just that they're also able to influence the legal system to allow the crimes they most often commit.

I'm not at all denying that there are non-offending psychopaths, but you simply didn't choose a very good example, IMO.

Hey, remember when Trump and his buddies started a fake charity and ended up pocketing most of the money and then wound up in a lawsuit while also getting charged with racketeering and 3 other crimes but basically got let off the hook because he won the presidency?

Ah, simpler times.

[Grenartia]

Still, the point is, certain people have mental health issues that render them unable to be rehabilitated like everyone else. Certain forms of schizophrenia, for instance. Not everyone with it will go on a murdering rampage, obviously, but some individuals with certain forms of it are more prone to violence than others. And while medication is avaliable, it isn't always effective, and even when it is, the side effects can be bad enough that some people avoid taking it altogether.

So, a person with a violent history, and with schizophrenia, probably should be in an environment where they are separated from the general population over the long-term, and ensured they take their meds. Said environment definitely should not be an American-style prison, but still.

This is why we need government run asylums. Not how they were in the 1900's though, I mean actual safe areas that are well staffed and funded and can get people the help they need.

Or we could just give more money to the military and PIC, that's apparently a good and popular thing for some reason.

At least the military is somewhat understandable. But the support for the PIC absolutely confounds me.

[New haven america]

This is why we need government run asylums. Not how they were in the 1900's though, I mean actual safe areas that are well staffed and funded and can get people the help they need.

Or we could just give more money to the military and PIC, that's apparently a good and popular thing for some reason.

At least the military is somewhat understandable. But the support for the PIC absolutely confounds me.

Say it with me now: "Legal Slavery." Yeah, the more people get sent to prison, the more cheap and backbreaking labor they get to do for basically free, and then when they get out, you can just throw them back into society, have them commit another crime due to lack of support, and then send them back to prison where they get to do more work.

Ain't it beautiful?

[Grenartia]

At least the military is somewhat understandable. But the support for the PIC absolutely confounds me.

Say it with me now: "Legal Slavery." Yeah, the more people get sent to prison, the more cheap and backbreaking labor they get to do for basically free, and then when they get out, you can just throw them back into society, have them commit another crime due to lack of support, and then send them back to prison where they get to do more work.

Ain't it beautiful?

Its scary how no one realizes it simply incentivizes the state to make more and more things illegal to satisfy the PIC's demand for slave labor.

[New haven america]

Say it with me now: "Legal Slavery." Yeah, the more people get sent to prison, the more cheap and backbreaking labor they get to do for basically free, and then when they get out, you can just throw them back into society, have them commit another crime due to lack of support, and then send them back to prison where they get to do more work.

Ain't it beautiful?

Its scary how no one realizes it simply incentivizes the state to make more and more things illegal to satisfy the PIC's demand for slave labor.

People realize, they're just not doing anything about it because they're criminals, so why should they care. Isn't the apathy and lack of respect towards human life in America and truly great thing?

[Grenartia]

Its scary how no one realizes it simply incentivizes the state to make more and more things illegal to satisfy the PIC's demand for slave labor.

People realize, they're just not doing anything about it because they're criminals, so why should they care. Isn't the apathy and lack of respect towards human life in America and truly great thing?

I guess people will only get upset when they realize that white people doing normal white people things is illegal.

[The Black Forrest]

People realize, they're just not doing anything about it because they're criminals, so why should they care. Isn't the apathy and lack of respect towards human life in America and truly great thing?

I guess people will only get upset when they realize that white people doing normal white people things is illegal.

Ahhh whatnow?