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Postby Vetalia » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:44 pm

Death penalty, period. A man that runs down others in his car that he doesn't like is the utmost coward.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:38 pm

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Wait who's getting a swastika carved into their head here?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:37 am

Misgivings about life sentences asides, this is good, even if it's not a solution to the problem of far right radicalisation and violence.
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Postby British Tackeettlaus » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:15 am

Odds on trump pardoning him? Federal sentence, and he is one of his very fine people!

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:48 am

Glad he was sentenced to life in prison instead of the death penalty. I see this as a good thing, I hope he will consider the impact his actions have had on other people and turn his life around while in prison.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:49 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Glad he was sentenced to life in prison instead of the death penalty. I see this as a good thing, I hope he will consider the impact his actions have had on other people and turn his life around while in prison.

Do you feel he should be released at some time?
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:50 am

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Glad he was sentenced to life in prison instead of the death penalty. I see this as a good thing, I hope he will consider the impact his actions have had on other people and turn his life around while in prison.

Do you feel he should be released at some time?


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Postby The Fifth Federation » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:51 am

That is what he needed.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:51 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Glad he was sentenced to life in prison instead of the death penalty. I see this as a good thing, I hope he will consider the impact his actions have had on other people and turn his life around while in prison.

Do you feel he should be released at some time?

Perhaps if, in his later years, his health declines dramatically and he shows repentance. But as a rule, no.
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Postby Uiiop » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:52 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Glad he was sentenced to life in prison instead of the death penalty. I see this as a good thing, I hope he will consider the impact his actions have had on other people and turn his life around while in prison.

Do you feel he should be released at some time?

Well the idea of parole in 20 then if hasn't reformed repeat until he is or dead does sound kinda nice.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:53 am

He shouldn't be let out imo. He's an unrepentant jackass who frequently insulted Heather Heyer and her mother while in prison.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:55 am

Vetalia wrote:Death penalty, period. A man that runs down others in his car that he doesn't like is the utmost coward.


Oh but you see it's better he ends up costing thousands of dollars per year cuz killing is bad m'kay?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:58 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Vetalia wrote:Death penalty, period. A man that runs down others in his car that he doesn't like is the utmost coward.


Oh but you see it's better he ends up costing thousands of dollars per year cuz killing is bad m'kay?

lol yeah we should have kept Ted Bundy alive am I right?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:18 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Oh but you see it's better he ends up costing thousands of dollars per year cuz killing is bad m'kay?

lol yeah we should have kept Ted Bundy alive am I right?


Um no?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:22 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Oh but you see it's better he ends up costing thousands of dollars per year cuz killing is bad m'kay?

lol yeah we should have kept Ted Bundy alive am I right?

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:26 am

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Greater Cesnica wrote:lol yeah we should have kept Ted Bundy alive am I right?

Yes.

The thing is he was really good at escaping prison. And he killed after doing so. But I understand where your opposition comes from.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:29 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Vetalia wrote:Death penalty, period. A man that runs down others in his car that he doesn't like is the utmost coward.


Oh but you see it's better he ends up costing thousands of dollars per year cuz killing is bad m'kay?


Please read the thread again, we already went over how giving the death penalty costs even more than life imprisonment.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:30 am

Vetalia wrote:Death penalty, period. A man that runs down others in his car that he doesn't like is the utmost coward.


It would also send out a very strong signal.

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Postby Risottia » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:31 am

Saiwania wrote:The death penalty doesn't have to be expensive, if we take away people's right to an attorney. Lets shift the Overton window so that we can consider bringing in a Napoleonic system. If you're not guilty, chances are you should be able to prove that yourself.

The Napoleonic system does not rely on the presumption of guilt, or on not having a right to legal counsel.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:33 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Oh but you see it's better he ends up costing thousands of dollars per year cuz killing is bad m'kay?


Please read the thread again, we already went over how giving the death penalty costs even more than life imprisonment.


Instead of making me skim over 10 pages of posts why don't you just link me the supposed citations?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:34 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:
Please read the thread again, we already went over how giving the death penalty costs even more than life imprisonment.


Instead of making me skim over 10 pages of posts why don't you just link me the supposed citations?

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/costs

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/local ... -581820292

https://www.amnestyusa.org/issues/death ... alty-cost/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphill ... s-at-work/

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2014 ... -expensive

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Postby Aclion » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:36 am

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Aclion wrote:How about that it's less cruel then life in prison?


That's the fault of your prison system then. It also assumes I'm that fussed about being cruel or less cruel to this particular person.

Nah, i'm talking the inherent cruelty of life imprisonment.
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Sure does. Burden of proof didn't fall on me however. And even then one ought to be careful what sources they cite.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby US-SSR » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:11 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Onitsha Empire wrote:The most important fact here is that almost everyone except for Andrew Anglin et al condemns this attack. At least political violence is outside the Overton Window in America.


This isn't going to be the case for long. I'd give it just 10 or so more years. It'd depend on how angry Liberals can get Conservatives to be, once there is too much of a blue wall in place from immigration and negative forces pertaining to globalism. If Democracy can't deliver GOP victories anymore, it is of course going to be abandoned by a sizeable portion of the country in favor of a more authoritarian system. Failing this, secessionism is probably going to be big once again.


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