Charlottesville attacker gets life sentence

[Chestaan]

To be honest, nothing less would a justifiable sentence given the US justice system. I would however say that I am for rehabilitation of ALL individuals, including this man. Don't see this as defending the indefensible attack on this anti-fascist protest, as it's not.

[Vassenor]

Wait what does this thread have to do with some people wanting humanity to be wiped out in general?

[Uiiop]

Wait what does this thread have to do with some people wanting humanity to be wiped out in general?

That the Charlotteville attacker is apparently a sign of a future full of ethno-wars.

[Ifreann]

Wait what does this thread have to do with some people wanting humanity to be wiped out in general?

Nothing, we're just beset by a one-note poster who insists that everything is about his fear that some day FOXDIE will be real and will kill everyone except African people.

[-Ocelot-]

Anyways we've strayed far off-topic here. Change of subject related to this thread:

Does this thread believe that he should have been executed?

As I said before, executing fascists is doing them a favor.

neo-nazis in particular may even follow various pagan beliefs, just like nazis did in the 40s. These ones believe that "dying while fighting" is the purest form of death or a necessary sacrifice for the good of the so-called aryan race. Warriors go to Valhalla after all, right?

If you really want to punish these people, sentence them for life and let them enact their racial wars within the walls of a prison in perpetuity. Or, even better, put them into work camps and force them to give back to the society they hate so much. This kind of treatment could make neo-nazis who haven't committed crimes yet think twice because of the prospect of perpetual humiliation.

[San Lumen]

The people he ran over, shouldn't have been in the street in my view. This could be avoided if the country does away with the concept of public protests all together. I'd propose that all forms of political agitation left or right, should take place indoors at pre-approved venues, with security handled by party paramilitaries.

Yeah the first amendment is so outdated and unneeded

[Ghosteria]

Terrorism is different. Lets talk about radical Islamic terrorists for a minute. Muslims make up about two billion people. About 8% percent of them are radicalized. That's almost 160 million people that want to destroy "Western Culture". That's a pretty sizable threat to a country of around 300 million people. Now, lets look at how many white racists exist in America. There isn't an exact number but it's somewhere between 5% and 20% of the white population, so lets just put it at 13%. The population of white people in America is about 56% of the total population. 56% of 300 million people is 168 million people. Then 13% of that amount is about 21 million people. This is from a population total of 300 million people. If we subtract this amount from the total this leaves about 379 million people who aren't white racists. Now there's been no study but if we were to take a poll of how many of these racists were willing to commit violent crimes based on race I'm sure it would be substantially lower than 21 million.

Not sure what that was all about.

On March 28, 2018, four people were killed an 15 were injured in France. The gunman was affiliated with ISIS and it appears that was the motivation for the attack - terror.

Presume instead of being killed, we had captured him. Murder x4, or murder x4 + terrorism, and why?

First lets discuss the five definitions of terrorism as defined by EKU (https://ekuonline.eku.edu/homeland-secu ... -terrorism):


State-Sponsored terrorism, which consists of terrorist acts on a state or government by a state or government.
Dissent terrorism, which are terrorist groups which have rebelled against their government.
Terrorists and the Left and Right, which are groups rooted in political ideology.
Religious terrorism, which are terrorist groups which are extremely religiously motivated
Criminal Terrorism, which are terrorists acts used to aid in crime and criminal profit.


But what is a terrorist act? Well according to the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations it is "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives"

Now ISIS members are generally religious and since this was an attempt to further a social objective my answer is murder x4 + terrorism.

[Ghosteria]

Anyways we've strayed far off-topic here. Change of subject related to this thread:

Does this thread believe that he should have been executed?

As I said before, executing fascists is doing them a favor.

neo-nazis in particular may even follow various pagan beliefs, just like nazis did in the 40s. These ones believe that "dying while fighting" is the purest form of death or a necessary sacrifice for the good of the so-called aryan race. Warriors go to Valhalla after all, right?

If you really want to punish these people, sentence them for life and let them enact their racial wars within the walls of a prison in perpetuity. Or, even better, put them into work camps and force them to give back to the society they hate so much. This kind of treatment could make neo-nazis who haven't committed crimes yet think twice because of the prospect of perpetual humiliation.

Believe that goes against the 8th amendment. You know cruel and unusual punishment? The whole point of showing people who perpetuate violence mercy is to keep society together by creating a moral focal point that the public can look to and allow themselves to feel higher than the criminal. If we began to punish criminals in cruel and unusual ways we'd be no better than them.

[Loben The 2nd]

The people he ran over, shouldn't have been in the street in my view. This could be avoided if the country does away with the concept of public protests all together. I'd propose that all forms of political agitation left or right, should take place indoors at pre-approved venues, with security handled by party paramilitaries.

Yeah the first amendment is so outdated and unneeded

You heard it here first folks!

[San Lumen]

Yeah the first amendment is so outdated and unneeded

You heard it here first folks!

You do realize I was being sarcastic right?

[Loben The 2nd]

You heard it here first folks!

You do realize I was being sarcastic right?

I’m going to ignore that you were.

[Cerinda]

Anyways we've strayed far off-topic here. Change of subject related to this thread:

Does this thread believe that he should have been executed?

Yes.

[Rojava Free State]

Anyways we've strayed far off-topic here. Change of subject related to this thread:

Does this thread believe that he should have been executed?

Strap him in the electric chair and pull the lever. I wish I could see multiple of these guys fry

[San Lumen]

Anyways we've strayed far off-topic here. Change of subject related to this thread:

Does this thread believe that he should have been executed?

Strap him in the electric chair and pull the lever. I wish I could see multiple of these guys fry

No capital punishment is wrong. Better to have him die in prison

[Cerinda]

Strap him in the electric chair and pull the lever. I wish I could see multiple of these guys fry

No capital punishment is wrong. Better to have him die in prison

No it's not wrong at all. This fucker doesn't deserve the right to live while wasting tax payer money, if it was up to me I'd have him hanged.

[Kowani]

No capital punishment is wrong. Better to have him die in prison

No it's not wrong at all. This fucker doesn't deserve the right to live while wasting tax payer money, if it was up to me I'd have him hanged.

Actually, it costs more to have the death penalty.

[Loben The 2nd]

No it's not wrong at all. This fucker doesn't deserve the right to live while wasting tax payer money, if it was up to me I'd have him hanged.

Actually, it costs more to have the death penalty.

You know what’s cheap?

Firing squad.

[Greater Cesnica]

Actually, it costs more to have the death penalty.

You know what’s cheap?

Firing squad.

They're talking about the trial costs. A capital murder trial costs significantly more than a lifetime in prison for a normal first degree murder trial will because of the length appeals process and due process that is added in this circumstance.

[Kowani]

You know what’s cheap?

Firing squad.

They're talking about the trial costs. A capital murder trial costs significantly more than a lifetime in prison for a normal first degree murder trial will because of the length appeals process and due process that is added in this circumstance.

Thank you.

[Greater Cesnica]

They're talking about the trial costs. A capital murder trial costs significantly more than a lifetime in prison for a normal first degree murder trial will because of the length appeals process and due process that is added in this circumstance.

Thank you.

I did two presentations on this during high school lol. I still support capital punishment in extremely severe cases, like Ted Bundy or Timothy Mcveigh.

[The Emerald Legion]

Strap him in the electric chair and pull the lever. I wish I could see multiple of these guys fry

No capital punishment is wrong. Better to have him die in prison

Why? Prison in general is pointless for anything beyond temporary detainment to prevent a suspect from running away. Everything else would be better solved via Fines and actual Repayment. The Democrats hardon for imprisonment is one thing that always bewildered me. Just put a bullet in the guy if you don't want him rejoining society, anything else is just societal cowardice.

You know what’s cheap?

Firing squad.

They're talking about the trial costs. A capital murder trial costs significantly more than a lifetime in prison for a normal first degree murder trial will because of the length appeals process and due process that is added in this circumstance.

Which is in itself an injustice. Life in prison should require just as much trial as capital sentencing.

[Greater Cesnica]

No capital punishment is wrong. Better to have him die in prison

Why? Prison in general is pointless for anything beyond temporary detainment to prevent a suspect from running away. Everything else would be better solved via Fines and actual Repayment. The Democrats hardon for imprisonment is one thing that always bewildered me. Just put a bullet in the guy if you don't want him rejoining society, anything else is just societal cowardice.

If you want real punishment put child killers and rapists into general population.

[Necroghastia]

No capital punishment is wrong. Better to have him die in prison

Why? Prison in general is pointless for anything beyond temporary detainment to prevent a suspect from running away. Everything else would be better solved via Fines and actual Repayment. The Democrats hardon for imprisonment is one thing that always bewildered me. Just put a bullet in the guy if you don't want him rejoining society, anything else is just societal cowardice.

Just gonna ignore the comments above that point out that the death penalty costs more than life imprisonment, I see, as well as the argument that allowing the death penalty can and has also resulted in innocent people getting executed.

[The Emerald Legion]

Why? Prison in general is pointless for anything beyond temporary detainment to prevent a suspect from running away. Everything else would be better solved via Fines and actual Repayment. The Democrats hardon for imprisonment is one thing that always bewildered me. Just put a bullet in the guy if you don't want him rejoining society, anything else is just societal cowardice.

If you want real punishment put child killers and rapists into general population.

And allowing other criminals to enact cruel and unusual punishments in the form of prison beatings is better than a swift death via robotic firing squad how? It's not only worse for the one being executed, but also a cowardly dodge by society in general. "Oh, we didn't WANT him to die, just be imprisoned!"

[Greater Cesnica]

If you want real punishment put child killers and rapists into general population.

And allowing other criminals to enact cruel and unusual punishments in the form of prison beatings is better than a swift death via robotic firing squad how? It's not only worse for the one being executed, but also a cowardly dodge by society in general. "Oh, we didn't WANT him to die, just be imprisoned!"

Hey that's just my inner vengeance coming out. Of course we're not doing that.