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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:48 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:So many things by now should have been political suicide for him. He's the Rasputin of political suicide. He keeps trying and yet keeps on living, apparently on pure spite.


Time to throw him in a river. :)

Or just throw an attractive woman named River at him.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:50 pm

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Great Minarchistan wrote:that, or you're actually obsessed with his actions via trump derangement syndrome


This tbh. I don't like the guy due to his two face stance on gun rights, but the guy can't even take a leak with out people getting offended by it.

Did he wear a tan suit or put dijon mustard on a hamburger? It's adorable how criticising Trump has to be framed as mental illness by his supporters.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:52 pm

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Chernoslavia wrote:
This tbh. I don't like the guy due to his two face stance on gun rights, but the guy can't even take a leak with out people getting offended by it.

Did he wear a tan suit or put dijon mustard on a hamburger? It's adorable how criticising Trump has to be framed as mental illness by his supporters.

I wouldn't be surprised if you actually called out his goofy behavior if he wore an orange suit around the white house, but I digress.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:52 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
This tbh. I don't like the guy due to his two face stance on gun rights, but the guy can't even take a leak with out people getting offended by it.

Did he wear a tan suit or put dijon mustard on a hamburger? It's adorable how criticising Trump has to be framed as mental illness by his supporters.


Nice strawman. Can I put a hat on him?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Trinitarium » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:52 pm

Reminds me of the show-trials of communist Russia. What a day for "liberty," when a man is nearly sentenced to death for speeding forward after being attacked by "anti-fascist" thugs. This had nothing to do with Nazism and everything to do with sending a political message.

Radical ideology does not necessitate violence, nor is it inherently violent. Any other perspective is obscenely prejudice.

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Well, this made today way better.
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Postby Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:53 pm

Good

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Chernoslavia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Did he wear a tan suit or put dijon mustard on a hamburger? It's adorable how criticising Trump has to be framed as mental illness by his supporters.


Nice strawman. Can I put a hat on him?

Great Minarchistan wrote:that, or you're actually obsessed with his actions via trump derangement syndrome

Pretty solid for straw.
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Gormwood wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Nice strawman. Can I put a hat on him?

Great Minarchistan wrote:that, or you're actually obsessed with his actions via trump derangement syndrome

Pretty solid for straw.

it was a hypothesis, I don't see it as a strawman unless if you're really taking it for granted
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:55 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Did he wear a tan suit or put dijon mustard on a hamburger? It's adorable how criticising Trump has to be framed as mental illness by his supporters.


Nice strawman. Can I put a hat on him?

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Very good.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:57 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Nice strawman. Can I put a hat on him?

Great Minarchistan wrote:that, or you're actually obsessed with his actions via trump derangement syndrome

Pretty solid for straw.


How is his a straw though?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:00 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Nice strawman. Can I put a hat on him?

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Merriam Webster Inc. would disagree.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Cerinda » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:02 pm

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he gets killed in prison.
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Postby Pyta » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:03 pm

Trinitarium wrote:Reminds me of the show-trials of communist Russia. What a day for "liberty," when a man is nearly sentenced to death for speeding forward after being attacked by "anti-fascist" thugs. This had nothing to do with Nazism and everything to do with sending a political message.

Radical ideology does not necessitate violence, nor is it inherently violent. Any other perspective is obscenely prejudice.


you're late to the party we already went over this

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Postby Nakena » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:03 pm

What was the 30th charge that would have carried capital punishment?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:04 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
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Life sentences as a criminal penalty is not unlibertarian, especially when we are dealing with a terrorist/criminal like this.

Yeah, but they should be reserved for extreme cases. While this incident of domestic terrorism was significant, I wouldn't necessarily consider it to be enough to warrant a life sentence (on the order of decades with possibility of parole seems more appropriate). Life sentences, particularly without parole, should mainly be if someone has no way to recover. OTOH, a lot of terrorists can be deradicalized if given appropriate care.

I do want to make it abundantly clear that what he did was absolutely abhorrent and does deserve a significant sentence, and I'm in no way trying to defend him.


I agree with this, but i'm comfortable with a life sentence being handed out in this case provided there is the possibility of parole given the nature of the crime. I think releasing him before he can satisfy a parole board poses a risk to the public given the motivation of the crimes, especially if he is not deradicalized and receives a heros welcome back to society from Nazi groups which could influence others to emulate his acts. I think the indiscriminate nature of the attack and intent to kill, alongside the motive, warrants life imprisonment with parole.

It's true there are more vicious and violent people who would not receive that sentence, but there are other factors in play.
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Postby Jolthig » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:05 pm

Excellent though I'd prefer a death sentence.
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Postby Cappuccina » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:09 pm

Jolthig wrote:Excellent though I'd prefer a death sentence.

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Postby Cerinda » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:12 pm

Trinitarium wrote:Reminds me of the show-trials of communist Russia. What a day for "liberty," when a man is nearly sentenced to death for speeding forward after being attacked by "anti-fascist" thugs. This had nothing to do with Nazism and everything to do with sending a political message.

Radical ideology does not necessitate violence, nor is it inherently violent. Any other perspective is obscenely prejudice.

Found the terrorist apologist.
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Postby Trinitarium » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:13 pm

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Anagonia wrote:Shame, the guy who antagonized the incident with a loaded weapon didn't get arrested at all. Used as a political stunt in my opinion. Sad day for justice.


Anyone who saw the video saw fields run down a group of protesters before anyone attacked him. I'm not even surprised any more though that someone is defending a fascistic killer who took an innocent life, because this is 2019 America and no ideology is too disgusting to have


Wrong. He's braking down 4th Street and it's only after the protester smashes the back of his car that he then accelerates. One can only imagine the trauma of having a gun pointed at you, and being confused all around, that manifested in this tragic car accident.

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Postby Pyta » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:16 pm

Also these are just the federal hate crime charges that he plead out.

He's still got the state charges that he was found guilty for that haven't been sentenced yet. That happens in two weeks. It would be extremely odd if he didn't get the full Life + 419 years that the jury suggested.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:17 pm

Trinitarium wrote:
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Anyone who saw the video saw fields run down a group of protesters before anyone attacked him. I'm not even surprised any more though that someone is defending a fascistic killer who took an innocent life, because this is 2019 America and no ideology is too disgusting to have


Wrong. He's braking down 4th Street and it's only after the protester smashes the back of his car that he then accelerates. One can only imagine the trauma of having a gun pointed at you, and being confused all around, that manifested in this tragic car accident.

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Postby Pyta » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:18 pm

Trinitarium wrote:
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Anyone who saw the video saw fields run down a group of protesters before anyone attacked him. I'm not even surprised any more though that someone is defending a fascistic killer who took an innocent life, because this is 2019 America and no ideology is too disgusting to have


Wrong. He's braking down 4th Street and it's only after the protester smashes the back of his car that he then accelerates. One can only imagine the trauma of having a gun pointed at you, and being confused all around, that manifested in this tragic car accident.


Again we've already gone over this, you're late to the party.

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Postby Trinitarium » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:19 pm

Cerinda wrote:
Trinitarium wrote:Reminds me of the show-trials of communist Russia. What a day for "liberty," when a man is nearly sentenced to death for speeding forward after being attacked by "anti-fascist" thugs. This had nothing to do with Nazism and everything to do with sending a political message.

Radical ideology does not necessitate violence, nor is it inherently violent. Any other perspective is obscenely prejudice.

Found the terrorist apologist.


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