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Postby Loben The 2nd » Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:56 pm

-Ocelot- wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:Tbh that’s probably his best chance of not getting gang raped by the other prisoners.

Because that’s inevitably what happens.


Fascism is based on perpetual structural violence and has a mindset of winner takes all and that only the strong deserves to thrive. He may finally be able to live in his ideal fascist society within the walls of a prison.

I also hope nothing like what you suggest may happen to him. That would very unfortunate, indeed.


I can say without a doubt that some people would like to see that happen to him, privately at least.
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Gormwood wrote:As if the neonazis won't make him squeal like a pig.


I mean if that’s what peaks your interest, Petra....I don’t judge

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Postby -Ocelot- » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:00 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
-Ocelot- wrote:
Fascism is based on perpetual structural violence and has a mindset of winner takes all and that only the strong deserves to thrive. He may finally be able to live in his ideal fascist society within the walls of a prison.

I also hope nothing like what you suggest may happen to him. That would very unfortunate, indeed.


I can say without a doubt that some people would like to see that happen to him, privately at least.


How would such an event be interpreted in a fascist society?

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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:08 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
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Fascism is based on perpetual structural violence and has a mindset of winner takes all and that only the strong deserves to thrive. He may finally be able to live in his ideal fascist society within the walls of a prison.

I also hope nothing like what you suggest may happen to him. That would very unfortunate, indeed.


I can say without a doubt that some people would like to see that happen to him, privately at least.


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Postby Pyta » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:08 pm

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I mean [citation needed]


Oh, that clears that up. Thought you attempted to label me as a Nazi. I was quite miffed for a bit there, my apologies.

In what part requires clarification for you?


none of it requires clarification, that's not what a citation is. it's just that your entire story of a guy waving a rifle around and chasing him is more or less completely unsubstantiated.

The guy you're talking about, Dwayne Dixon, had an encounter with james fields about thirty minutes prior to the attack, where Fields was driving circles around the protest group (in retrospect, we know that Fields was looking for targets). Dwayne was open carrying an AR, but the idea that he was "waving it around" is an absolute fabrication. Further, there's phone telemetry that showed Dixon was nowhere near FIelds when he murdered Heyer, and the video pretty clearly indicates a deliberate attack. If that weren't enough, we could certainly go to the phone call from jail, where Fields said, about Heyer, “She is a communist, an anti-white, liberal. . . . It’s not up for questioning. She’s the enemy.”

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Postby Anagonia » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:15 pm

Pyta wrote:
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Oh, that clears that up. Thought you attempted to label me as a Nazi. I was quite miffed for a bit there, my apologies.

In what part requires clarification for you?


none of it requires clarification, that's not what a citation is. it's just that your entire story of a guy waving a rifle around and chasing him is more or less completely unsubstantiated.

The guy you're talking about, Dwayne Dixon, had an encounter with james fields about thirty minutes prior to the attack, where Fields was driving circles around the protest group (in retrospect, we know that Fields was looking for targets). Dwayne was open carrying an AR, but the idea that he was "waving it around" is an absolute fabrication. Further, there's phone telemetry that showed Dixon was nowhere near FIelds when he murdered Heyer, and the video pretty clearly indicates a deliberate attack. If that weren't enough, we could certainly go to the phone call from jail, where Fields said, about Heyer, “She is a communist, an anti-white, liberal. . . . It’s not up for questioning. She’s the enemy.”


I have no interest in defending the attacker, my claim of lack of justice was not on his behalf. My claim was on the behalf of not equally treating the case pending the two instigators leading to the death. I was reading up on the individual, whom you've identified as Mr. Dixon, and his multitude of self-defense cases and dropped charges from previous protests. The story in question which resulted in my opinion of him antagonizing the driver seemed plausible.

If what you say is true, then my opinion is unjustified, and the full weight of justice has been served. Since I do not have the full answer to substantiate your claim - factual or otherwise - I will politely tip the hat and acknowledge your statement as superior.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:22 pm

As long as Trump doesn't pardon him then this would seem to be the most just possible outcome.
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Postby Pyta » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:22 pm

Anagonia wrote:
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none of it requires clarification, that's not what a citation is. it's just that your entire story of a guy waving a rifle around and chasing him is more or less completely unsubstantiated.

The guy you're talking about, Dwayne Dixon, had an encounter with james fields about thirty minutes prior to the attack, where Fields was driving circles around the protest group (in retrospect, we know that Fields was looking for targets). Dwayne was open carrying an AR, but the idea that he was "waving it around" is an absolute fabrication. Further, there's phone telemetry that showed Dixon was nowhere near FIelds when he murdered Heyer, and the video pretty clearly indicates a deliberate attack. If that weren't enough, we could certainly go to the phone call from jail, where Fields said, about Heyer, “She is a communist, an anti-white, liberal. . . . It’s not up for questioning. She’s the enemy.”


I have no interest in defending the attacker, my claim of lack of justice was not on his behalf. My claim was on the behalf of not equally treating the case pending the two instigators leading to the death. I was reading up on the individual, whom you've identified as Mr. Dixon, and his multitude of self-defense cases and dropped charges from previous protests. The story in question which resulted in my opinion of him antagonizing the driver seemed plausible.

If what you say is true, then my opinion is unjustified, and the full weight of justice has been served. Since I do not have the full answer to substantiate your claim - factual or otherwise - I will politely tip the hat and acknowledge your statement as superior.



And, in that case, I apologize. I've done this dance a lot and every other time I have seen the "He was scared and being attacked by armed antifa thugs" argument, it's been a precursor to me getting DM'ed something along the lines of "I'm going to gas your whole family, you n-word loving, f-word k-word." so I have a tendency to get real snippy about it.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:28 pm

Pyta wrote:
Anagonia wrote:
I have no interest in defending the attacker, my claim of lack of justice was not on his behalf. My claim was on the behalf of not equally treating the case pending the two instigators leading to the death. I was reading up on the individual, whom you've identified as Mr. Dixon, and his multitude of self-defense cases and dropped charges from previous protests. The story in question which resulted in my opinion of him antagonizing the driver seemed plausible.

If what you say is true, then my opinion is unjustified, and the full weight of justice has been served. Since I do not have the full answer to substantiate your claim - factual or otherwise - I will politely tip the hat and acknowledge your statement as superior.



And, in that case, I apologize. I've done this dance a lot and every other time I have seen the "He was scared and being attacked by armed antifa thugs" argument, it's been a precursor to me getting DM'ed something along the lines of "I'm going to gas your whole family, you n-word loving, f-word k-word." so I have a tendency to get real snippy about it.

Warms the heart to see that conspiracy theory getting shut down.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:32 pm

Pyta wrote:where Fields said, about Heyer, “She is a communist, an anti-white, liberal. . . . It’s not up for questioning. She’s the enemy.”


I'm 100% in agreement with this assessment. I just think the more prudent action would've been to leave her be. Broadly speaking, I think I aim for there being fewer political freedoms but more civil rights, or fewer civil rights but more political freedoms, but not both.

There will be plenty of people you don't like, but you don't necessarily have grounds to act against them, provided the same is true that they can't act against you. This is whats fair.
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Postby Uiiop » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:32 pm

Ifreann wrote:As long as Trump doesn't pardon him then this would seem to be the most just possible outcome.

I hope you didn't just jinxed it then.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:33 pm

Ifreann wrote:As long as Trump doesn't pardon him then this would seem to be the most just possible outcome.

Trump ain't going to pardon him.

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Postby Anagonia » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:34 pm

Pyta wrote:
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I have no interest in defending the attacker, my claim of lack of justice was not on his behalf. My claim was on the behalf of not equally treating the case pending the two instigators leading to the death. I was reading up on the individual, whom you've identified as Mr. Dixon, and his multitude of self-defense cases and dropped charges from previous protests. The story in question which resulted in my opinion of him antagonizing the driver seemed plausible.

If what you say is true, then my opinion is unjustified, and the full weight of justice has been served. Since I do not have the full answer to substantiate your claim - factual or otherwise - I will politely tip the hat and acknowledge your statement as superior.



And, in that case, I apologize. I've done this dance a lot and every other time I have seen the "He was scared and being attacked by armed antifa thugs" argument, it's been a precursor to me getting DM'ed something along the lines of "I'm going to gas your whole family, you n-word loving, f-word k-word." so I have a tendency to get real snippy about it.


I see no reason for you to apologize, I almost jumped the gun when I assumed wrongly I was being labeled as a hateful person. My entire line of thinking this entire time has been there were two culprits in the murder of that protestor, who herself had been blocked off by two other vehicles or whatnot. Multiple videos and eyewitnesses somehow managed to tell different stories, and I happened to come across one that seemed the more logical. At no time did I believe the driver innocent, the man was clearly intent to harm, but my prior impressions had been he had been intent on escaping from what had been assumed to be a threatening situation - notwithstanding his rhetoric as you have stated clearly.

I do appreciate you calmly offering a different perspective. Sometimes we simply are too open-minded and, perhaps, allow ourselves to think different things based on what we see. From what I have gathered in these preliminary stages, your account is right.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:34 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Ifreann wrote:As long as Trump doesn't pardon him then this would seem to be the most just possible outcome.

I hope you didn't just jinxed it then.

It'll be amusing to watch the Republican Party and the whole of right-wing media twisting themselves like The Thing trying to justify, much less praise the pardoning. His base would swallow anything he did as owning the libs.
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Postby Xmara » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:34 pm

Ifreann wrote:As long as Trump doesn't pardon him then this would seem to be the most just possible outcome.

Trump is crazy, but he seems smart enough to know that such an act would be political suicide.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:37 pm

Xmara wrote:
Ifreann wrote:As long as Trump doesn't pardon him then this would seem to be the most just possible outcome.

Trump is crazy, but he seems smart enough to know that such an act would be political suicide.

Trump has an entire party that spoils him like a little baby to where he'd be praised for doing something that would destroy any other politician, much less a Democrat.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:37 pm

Xmara wrote:Trump is crazy, but he seems smart enough to know that such an act would be political suicide.


If Trump wanted to pardon him, the best time to do this is perhaps the last day he's in office. If he's a Lame Duck, it don't matter as much what he does.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:37 pm

Xmara wrote:
Ifreann wrote:As long as Trump doesn't pardon him then this would seem to be the most just possible outcome.

Trump is crazy, but he seems smart enough to know that such an act would be political suicide.

So many things by now should have been political suicide for him. He's the Rasputin of political suicide. He keeps trying and yet keeps on living, apparently on pure spite.
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Postby Xmara » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:38 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Xmara wrote:Trump is crazy, but he seems smart enough to know that such an act would be political suicide.

Trump has an entire party that spoils him like a little baby to where he'd be praised for doing something that would destroy any other politician, much less a Democrat.

Idk. I personally think that he would lose favor with even some of his most ardent supporters.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:39 pm

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Loben The 2nd wrote:Can we also ban leftist gatherings too?

If you want neoconservatives and neoliberals to be the dominant force unto eternity, sure.

god I hope so
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:45 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Xmara wrote:Trump is crazy, but he seems smart enough to know that such an act would be political suicide.

So many things by now should have been political suicide for him. He's the Rasputin of political suicide. He keeps trying and yet keeps on living, apparently on pure spite.

He's powered by the desire of others to Own The Libs.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:46 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:So many things by now should have been political suicide for him. He's the Rasputin of political suicide. He keeps trying and yet keeps on living, apparently on pure spite.

He's powered by the desire of others to Own The Libs.

that, or you're actually obsessed with his actions via trump derangement syndrome
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Cannot think of a name wrote:
Xmara wrote:Trump is crazy, but he seems smart enough to know that such an act would be political suicide.

So many things by now should have been political suicide for him. He's the Rasputin of political suicide. He keeps trying and yet keeps on living, apparently on pure spite.


The left is pretty much to blame for that really.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:46 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Gormwood wrote:He's powered by the desire of others to Own The Libs.

that, or you're actually obsessed with his actions via trump derangement syndrome


This tbh. I don't like the guy due to his two face stance on gun rights, but the guy can't even take a leak with out people getting offended by it.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:47 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Xmara wrote:Trump is crazy, but he seems smart enough to know that such an act would be political suicide.

So many things by now should have been political suicide for him. He's the Rasputin of political suicide. He keeps trying and yet keeps on living, apparently on pure spite.


Time to throw him in a river. :)

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