NATION

## Charlottesville attacker gets life sentence

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Xmara
Minister

Posts: 2240
Founded: Mar 31, 2014
Civil Rights Lovefest

### Charlottesville attacker gets life sentence

NBC

The driver who plowed his car into a group of counterprotesters at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017, killing one and injuring dozens, was sentenced Friday to life in prison on federal hate crime charges.

James Alex Fields Jr. pleaded guilty to 29 of 30 hate crime charges in March in a plea deal to avoid the death penalty for murdering civil rights activist Heather Heyer and injuring more than 30 others when he intentionally mowed them down with his car on a one-way street on Aug. 12, 2017.

The 30th charge, which included a possible death sentence, was dropped. U.S. Attorney General William Barr directed and permitted prosecutors not to seek the death penalty.

Heyer's mother, Susan Bro, said at the sentencing that she wanted Fields to spend the rest of his life in prison, but also hopes he "can heal someday and help others heal."

Bro's statement was one of more than a dozen given by survivors and witnesses during the hearing.

Fields appeared stoic, stared straight ahead and didn't look at any of the people who spoke. He apologized before the judge handed down his sentence.

Rosia Parker said she was standing a few feet away from Heyer when the 32-year-old paralegal was struck. She looked right at Fields and told him he "could have done anything else but what you did."

"So, yeah, you deserve everything that you get," Parker said.

Prosecutors have said that Fields intended to kill more people in the cluster of counterprotesters and had a history of racist and anti-Semitic behavior.

Gasps could be heard Friday among a packed courtroom, which included Heyer's mother, when prosecutors told the judge that a classmate of Fields had testified that during a high school trip to a German concentration camp, Fields had remarked: "This is where the magic happened."

Prosecutors said they were told Fields was "like a kid at Disney World" during that trip. They had earlier said that Fields had revered Adolf Hitler, keeping a picture of him next to his bed.

"Anyone who commits a crime motivated by hatred for the race, color, religion, national origin or other protected trait of any person should be on notice: the United States government will use its enormous power to bring perpetrators to justice, and we will continue to do so for as long as it takes to rid our nation of these vile and monstrous crimes," Assistant Attorney General Eric Dreiband said in a statement.

In a statement released after the sentencing, Keegan Hankes, interim research director at the Southern Poverty Law Center, called Fields "a remorseless killer and a domestic terrorist" who "helped define one of the many flashpoints of violent white supremacy in the Trump era."

“Though Fields’ sentencing may prevent him from committing future acts of public violence, the trauma he has already inflicted upon his victims, their families and their communities will likely never fully heal," Hankes said.

Fields' lawyers had asked U.S. District Judge Michael Urbanski to consider sentencing Fields to "less than life."

"No amount of punishment imposed on James can repair the damage he caused to dozens of innocent people. But this Court should find that retribution has limits," defense attorneys wrote in a sentencing memo.

The lawyers had appealed during sentencing for Urbanski to take the Ohio man's mental health issues and troubled youth into account. Fields' attorneys said he was raised by a paraplegic single mother and suffered "trauma" living with the knowledge that his Jewish grandfather had murdered his grandmother before taking his own life.

Fields is also convicted of state charges, including first-degree murder, five counts of aggravated malicious wounding, three counts of malicious wounding, and one hit and run count for injuring dozens of others with his vehicle. He is set to be sentenced on those charges July 15, and a jury has already recommended life in prison plus 419 years.

That jury found that Fields had purposefully rammed his Dodge Challenger into the crowd of counterprotesters following the rally. The "Unite the Right" protesters were there in part to fight the removal of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.

Heyer died from blunt force injury to the chest.

Star Peterson, one of the injured, had to undergo five surgeries on her right leg and uses a wheelchair and cane. Marcus Martin, a friend of Heyer's, was hit by Fields' car while pushing his wife out of the way and suffered a broken ankle, destroyed ligaments and twisted tibia.

President Donald Trump faced backlash when he blamed "both sides" for the violence at the protest, which critics saw as a failure to condemn racism and white nationalism, further adding to racial tensions raised by the case.

Justice has been served. I see this as great news. Nobody should be allowed to get away with such a crime.

What do you say NSG?
/ˈzmaːrʌ/
Info
Status- Code Green- All clear
I mostly use NS stats, except for population and tax rates.
We are not Estonia.
A 16.8 civilization, according to this index.
Flag Waver
Respect the science!

About Me | Great Quotes from NS | Side note: I’m female.

Copy and paste this into your sig if you think we should colonize other planets

Kannap
Khan of Spam

Posts: 55651
Founded: May 07, 2012
Father Knows Best State
Good, deserves to rot in a cell.
22 years old, gay male, Presbyterian, North Carolinian. Pumpkin Spice everything.
TET's resident ostrich
Political Party: Not affiliated/Independent
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
Luna Amore wrote:note to self, insert clever reference to Kannap
T H E M O U N T A I N S A R E C A L L I N G A N D I M U S T G O
G A Y S I N C E 1 9 9 7

LiberNovusAmericae
Senator

Posts: 4652
Founded: Mar 10, 2018
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
He got what he deserved. He should only be allowed to leave prison when he is in a body bag.

Cekoviu
Postmaster-General

Posts: 10249
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest
The United States tends to oversentence people, but I can see arguments for giving him life even taking that into account. Regardless of the sentence, he absolutely deserves a significant amount of time and I think it'd be hard for even the most die-hard Nazi apologists on here to argue otherwise.
Of course, I continually have the most basic of my expectations shattered by the aforementioned, so maybe not.
\begin{center}
NationStates should support \LaTeX
\end{center}
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem

Rojava Free State
Senator

Posts: 3591
Founded: Feb 06, 2018
Left-Leaning College State
I hope they put him in the general population. Let Mr fields meet them
political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38
pro: marijuana, gun rights, private property, and sexy brown women

anti: fascism, communism, islamism, sexism, pan africanism, La raza, Warren Police Department (and most of the other police departments of metro Detroit except for Auburn Hills. They're aight), gun control, trump, obama, bush, clinton, reagan, carter, chipotle and snotty in crowd teens. Ugh I can't deal with them
Half Lebanese, Half Puerto Rican. All american. Not Kurdish at all.

Cerinda
Diplomat

Posts: 593
Founded: Feb 18, 2019
Corrupt Dictatorship
Good, I think the fucker deserves the death penalty but I'll settle for this.
Nation does not represent irl views.

Rojava Free State
Senator

Posts: 3591
Founded: Feb 06, 2018
Left-Leaning College State
Cekoviu wrote:The United States tends to oversentence people, but I can see arguments for giving him life even taking that into account. Regardless of the sentence, he absolutely deserves a significant amount of time and I think it'd be hard for even the most die-hard Nazi apologists on here to argue otherwise.
Of course, I continually have the most basic of my expectations shattered by the aforementioned, so maybe not.

Nazis believe violence is justified. They celebrated when heather heyes was killed because you aren't allowed to be against fascism in the eyes of fascists
political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38
pro: marijuana, gun rights, private property, and sexy brown women

anti: fascism, communism, islamism, sexism, pan africanism, La raza, Warren Police Department (and most of the other police departments of metro Detroit except for Auburn Hills. They're aight), gun control, trump, obama, bush, clinton, reagan, carter, chipotle and snotty in crowd teens. Ugh I can't deal with them
Half Lebanese, Half Puerto Rican. All american. Not Kurdish at all.

LiberNovusAmericae
Senator

Posts: 4652
Founded: Mar 10, 2018
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
Cekoviu wrote:The United States tends to oversentence people, but I can see arguments for giving him life even taking that into account. Regardless of the sentence, he absolutely deserves a significant amount of time and I think it'd be hard for even the most die-hard Nazi apologists on here to argue otherwise.
Of course, I continually have the most basic of my expectations shattered by the aforementioned, so maybe not.

Most murderers should not be allowed to leave prison. There is no oversentencing in this case.

Xmara
Minister

Posts: 2240
Founded: Mar 31, 2014
Civil Rights Lovefest
Cekoviu wrote:The United States tends to oversentence people, but I can see arguments for giving him life even taking that into account. Regardless of the sentence, he absolutely deserves a significant amount of time and I think it'd be hard for even the most die-hard Nazi apologists on here to argue otherwise.
Of course, I continually have the most basic of my expectations shattered by the aforementioned, so maybe not.

I have yet to meet a Nazi who opposes violence.
/ˈzmaːrʌ/
Info
Status- Code Green- All clear
I mostly use NS stats, except for population and tax rates.
We are not Estonia.
A 16.8 civilization, according to this index.
Flag Waver
Respect the science!

About Me | Great Quotes from NS | Side note: I’m female.

Copy and paste this into your sig if you think we should colonize other planets

Cekoviu
Postmaster-General

Posts: 10249
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:The United States tends to oversentence people, but I can see arguments for giving him life even taking that into account. Regardless of the sentence, he absolutely deserves a significant amount of time and I think it'd be hard for even the most die-hard Nazi apologists on here to argue otherwise.
Of course, I continually have the most basic of my expectations shattered by the aforementioned, so maybe not.

Most murderers should not be allowed to leave prison. There is no oversentencing in this case.

Kinda amusing that a self-identified libertarian would be making this point tbh.
Xmara wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:The United States tends to oversentence people, but I can see arguments for giving him life even taking that into account. Regardless of the sentence, he absolutely deserves a significant amount of time and I think it'd be hard for even the most die-hard Nazi apologists on here to argue otherwise.
Of course, I continually have the most basic of my expectations shattered by the aforementioned, so maybe not.

I have yet to meet a Nazi who opposes violence.

I'm specifically talking about Nazi apologists on here, many of whom are not actual die-hard neo-Nazis. They generally try to keep a pretense of nonviolence.
\begin{center}
NationStates should support \LaTeX
\end{center}
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem

Pyta
Spokesperson

Posts: 182
Founded: Mar 20, 2004
Left-Leaning College State
Nazis, in generally, are really big fans of nonviolence and civility, provided the nonviolence and civility is being directed towards the nazis.

Andsed
Negotiator

Posts: 6178
Founded: Aug 24, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest
Good. Dude deserves to rot.
Hello I am Andsed welcome to my sig.

Amazing Andsed quotes:
Ok lets get back on topic so we don´t get this thread locked thanks to talking about my church windmill dancing.
Andsed is not legally responsible for any injuries that may occur if you take this seriously and somehow get a trebuchet and try to fling yourself into a plane. You fucking dumbass
NationStates going from serious debates about homosexuality to jokes about Jesus a marijuana dealer in the span of one to two posts since November 13 2002.
Sorry my mind is always in the gutter no it lives in gutter my mind is fuckin called pennywise it is in the gutter so much.
How does one outsource racism? Do you like get an Indian guy to call people and call them racial slurs?

LOVEWHOYOUARE~

Rojava Free State
Senator

Posts: 3591
Founded: Feb 06, 2018
Left-Leaning College State
My hope is that within the next five years, a good chunk of the white nationalist movement ends up in the same place as fields. These dudes live to cause problems and terrorize non whites and as far as I'm concerned, their movement is at the same moral and civilizations level as a street gang. Nothing but thugs
political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38
pro: marijuana, gun rights, private property, and sexy brown women

anti: fascism, communism, islamism, sexism, pan africanism, La raza, Warren Police Department (and most of the other police departments of metro Detroit except for Auburn Hills. They're aight), gun control, trump, obama, bush, clinton, reagan, carter, chipotle and snotty in crowd teens. Ugh I can't deal with them
Half Lebanese, Half Puerto Rican. All american. Not Kurdish at all.

Ghosteria
Bureaucrat

Posts: 46
Founded: Mar 16, 2019
Civil Rights Lovefest
I won't disagree that he got what he deserved. I mean I'm mixed and I'm sure he'd attempt to harm me or my family with as much confidence as he had when he ran his car into that crowd of people. However, I do not think that his sentence should be based off the idea that he committed hate crimes. I mean if you just ran a car into a crowd of people you'd have committed the same crimes, the only difference is that the justice system is policing his beliefs as well as his crimes.
Our glorious leader is Alexander Magnus Fritz the Defender of Ghosteria. He is our fair dictator and the one who led our rebellion against a tyrannical government.

My nation is a:
-Tech Tier 12 Civilization
-Arcane Level 7 Civilization
-Influence Type 7 Civilization
According to this index.

LiberNovusAmericae
Senator

Posts: 4652
Founded: Mar 10, 2018
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
Cekoviu wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Most murderers should not be allowed to leave prison. There is no oversentencing in this case.

Kinda amusing that a self-identified libertarian would be making this point tbh.
-snip-

Life sentences as a criminal penalty is not unlibertarian, especially when we are dealing with a terrorist/criminal like this.

Kowani
Postmaster-General

Posts: 13835
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists
A good day all around.
Narcissistic (Hedonistic) Nihilist. Yes, I am edgy. I know.
Atheist and still proud of it.
Post-Capitalist, Post-Nationalist.
Rights are functionally just privileges society has deemed important.
Prydania wrote:
As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

0% Capitalism

Katganistan
Senior Game Moderator

Posts: 31611
Founded: Antiquity
Ghosteria wrote:I won't disagree that he got what he deserved. I mean I'm mixed and I'm sure he'd attempt to harm me or my family with as much confidence as he had when he ran his car into that crowd of people. However, I do not think that his sentence should be based off the idea that he committed hate crimes. I mean if you just ran a car into a crowd of people you'd have committed the same crimes, the only difference is that the justice system is policing his beliefs as well as his crimes.

He rammed them because of their beliefs.
He is appropriately sentenced.

Galloism
Khan of Spam

Posts: 59473
Founded: Aug 20, 2005
Father Knows Best State
Good.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.

Geneviev
Postmaster-General

Posts: 10062
Founded: Mar 03, 2018
Liberal Democratic Socialists
Good, he deserves it.
How many conductors does it take to screw in a light bulb? No one knows, no one ever looks at them.
Hessisch, German, 15 years old, musician
Immigration, religious freedom, music education in all schools, die Linke
Nationalism, white supremacy, cutting music and arts programs, Donald Trump, AfD
#EternalLotharia2020

Rojava Free State
Senator

Posts: 3591
Founded: Feb 06, 2018
Left-Leaning College State
Katganistan wrote:
Ghosteria wrote:I won't disagree that he got what he deserved. I mean I'm mixed and I'm sure he'd attempt to harm me or my family with as much confidence as he had when he ran his car into that crowd of people. However, I do not think that his sentence should be based off the idea that he committed hate crimes. I mean if you just ran a car into a crowd of people you'd have committed the same crimes, the only difference is that the justice system is policing his beliefs as well as his crimes.

He rammed them because of their beliefs.
He is appropriately sentenced.

So if someone decides to run someone over just for fun, it's not as bad? Murder is murder, people overrate intention
political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38
pro: marijuana, gun rights, private property, and sexy brown women

anti: fascism, communism, islamism, sexism, pan africanism, La raza, Warren Police Department (and most of the other police departments of metro Detroit except for Auburn Hills. They're aight), gun control, trump, obama, bush, clinton, reagan, carter, chipotle and snotty in crowd teens. Ugh I can't deal with them
Half Lebanese, Half Puerto Rican. All american. Not Kurdish at all.

Cekoviu
Postmaster-General

Posts: 10249
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Kinda amusing that a self-identified libertarian would be making this point tbh.
-snip-

Life sentences as a criminal penalty is not unlibertarian, especially when we are dealing with a terrorist/criminal like this.

Yeah, but they should be reserved for extreme cases. While this incident of domestic terrorism was significant, I wouldn't necessarily consider it to be enough to warrant a life sentence (on the order of decades with possibility of parole seems more appropriate). Life sentences, particularly without parole, should mainly be if someone has no way to recover. OTOH, a lot of terrorists can be deradicalized if given appropriate care.

I do want to make it abundantly clear that what he did was absolutely abhorrent and does deserve a significant sentence, and I'm in no way trying to defend him.
Last edited by Cekoviu on Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
\begin{center}
NationStates should support \LaTeX
\end{center}
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem

West Leas Oros 2

Posts: 1855
Founded: Jul 15, 2018
Ex-Nation
Sounds fair.
West Leas Oros 2, Election Boogaloo (Please ignore the 2 in our name in all IC interactions)
WLO Public News: West Leas Oros now a sponsor of Leninade!
Simultaneously an evil commie who wants to take your toothbrush, and an evil brocialist reactionary and revisionist.
An accurate description of NSG: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IQFU1y928dw

MP Arthur Woole in the NS Parliament

Kannap
Khan of Spam

Posts: 55651
Founded: May 07, 2012
Father Knows Best State
Cekoviu wrote:The United States tends to oversentence people, but I can see arguments for giving him life even taking that into account. Regardless of the sentence, he absolutely deserves a significant amount of time and I think it'd be hard for even the most die-hard Nazi apologists on here to argue otherwise.
Of course, I continually have the most basic of my expectations shattered by the aforementioned, so maybe not.

He killed a person and injured 30 others, the downside to this sentencing is that he has only one life to serve in prison.
22 years old, gay male, Presbyterian, North Carolinian. Pumpkin Spice everything.
TET's resident ostrich
Political Party: Not affiliated/Independent
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
Luna Amore wrote:note to self, insert clever reference to Kannap
T H E M O U N T A I N S A R E C A L L I N G A N D I M U S T G O
G A Y S I N C E 1 9 9 7

Cekoviu
Postmaster-General

Posts: 10249
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest
Kannap wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:The United States tends to oversentence people, but I can see arguments for giving him life even taking that into account. Regardless of the sentence, he absolutely deserves a significant amount of time and I think it'd be hard for even the most die-hard Nazi apologists on here to argue otherwise.
Of course, I continually have the most basic of my expectations shattered by the aforementioned, so maybe not.

He killed a person and injured 30 others, the downside to this sentencing is that he has only one life to serve in prison.

This kind of attitude is what makes it so hard to get appropriate rehabilitative care in the US prison system. Yes, he did an absolutely horrible thing and irreversibly harmed the lives of many, but he's not completely beyond redemption (or he wouldn't be if our prison systems weren't solely focused on punitive justice).
\begin{center}
NationStates should support \LaTeX
\end{center}
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem

Galloism
Khan of Spam

Posts: 59473
Founded: Aug 20, 2005
Father Knows Best State
Rojava Free State wrote:
Katganistan wrote:He rammed them because of their beliefs.
He is appropriately sentenced.

So if someone decides to run someone over just for fun, it's not as bad? Murder is murder, people overrate intention

Intent is the difference between murder and manslaughter.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.

Next