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Charlottesville attacker gets life sentence

Postby Xmara » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:47 pm

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The driver who plowed his car into a group of counterprotesters at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017, killing one and injuring dozens, was sentenced Friday to life in prison on federal hate crime charges.

James Alex Fields Jr. pleaded guilty to 29 of 30 hate crime charges in March in a plea deal to avoid the death penalty for murdering civil rights activist Heather Heyer and injuring more than 30 others when he intentionally mowed them down with his car on a one-way street on Aug. 12, 2017.

The 30th charge, which included a possible death sentence, was dropped. U.S. Attorney General William Barr directed and permitted prosecutors not to seek the death penalty.

Heyer's mother, Susan Bro, said at the sentencing that she wanted Fields to spend the rest of his life in prison, but also hopes he "can heal someday and help others heal."

Bro's statement was one of more than a dozen given by survivors and witnesses during the hearing.

Fields appeared stoic, stared straight ahead and didn't look at any of the people who spoke. He apologized before the judge handed down his sentence.

Rosia Parker said she was standing a few feet away from Heyer when the 32-year-old paralegal was struck. She looked right at Fields and told him he "could have done anything else but what you did."

"So, yeah, you deserve everything that you get," Parker said.

Prosecutors have said that Fields intended to kill more people in the cluster of counterprotesters and had a history of racist and anti-Semitic behavior.

Gasps could be heard Friday among a packed courtroom, which included Heyer's mother, when prosecutors told the judge that a classmate of Fields had testified that during a high school trip to a German concentration camp, Fields had remarked: "This is where the magic happened."

Prosecutors said they were told Fields was "like a kid at Disney World" during that trip. They had earlier said that Fields had revered Adolf Hitler, keeping a picture of him next to his bed.

"Anyone who commits a crime motivated by hatred for the race, color, religion, national origin or other protected trait of any person should be on notice: the United States government will use its enormous power to bring perpetrators to justice, and we will continue to do so for as long as it takes to rid our nation of these vile and monstrous crimes," Assistant Attorney General Eric Dreiband said in a statement.

In a statement released after the sentencing, Keegan Hankes, interim research director at the Southern Poverty Law Center, called Fields "a remorseless killer and a domestic terrorist" who "helped define one of the many flashpoints of violent white supremacy in the Trump era."

“Though Fields’ sentencing may prevent him from committing future acts of public violence, the trauma he has already inflicted upon his victims, their families and their communities will likely never fully heal," Hankes said.

Fields' lawyers had asked U.S. District Judge Michael Urbanski to consider sentencing Fields to "less than life."

"No amount of punishment imposed on James can repair the damage he caused to dozens of innocent people. But this Court should find that retribution has limits," defense attorneys wrote in a sentencing memo.

The lawyers had appealed during sentencing for Urbanski to take the Ohio man's mental health issues and troubled youth into account. Fields' attorneys said he was raised by a paraplegic single mother and suffered "trauma" living with the knowledge that his Jewish grandfather had murdered his grandmother before taking his own life.

Fields is also convicted of state charges, including first-degree murder, five counts of aggravated malicious wounding, three counts of malicious wounding, and one hit and run count for injuring dozens of others with his vehicle. He is set to be sentenced on those charges July 15, and a jury has already recommended life in prison plus 419 years.

That jury found that Fields had purposefully rammed his Dodge Challenger into the crowd of counterprotesters following the rally. The "Unite the Right" protesters were there in part to fight the removal of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.

Heyer died from blunt force injury to the chest.

Star Peterson, one of the injured, had to undergo five surgeries on her right leg and uses a wheelchair and cane. Marcus Martin, a friend of Heyer's, was hit by Fields' car while pushing his wife out of the way and suffered a broken ankle, destroyed ligaments and twisted tibia.

President Donald Trump faced backlash when he blamed "both sides" for the violence at the protest, which critics saw as a failure to condemn racism and white nationalism, further adding to racial tensions raised by the case.


Justice has been served. I see this as great news. Nobody should be allowed to get away with such a crime.

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Good, deserves to rot in a cell.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:50 pm

He got what he deserved. He should only be allowed to leave prison when he is in a body bag.

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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:51 pm

The United States tends to oversentence people, but I can see arguments for giving him life even taking that into account. Regardless of the sentence, he absolutely deserves a significant amount of time and I think it'd be hard for even the most die-hard Nazi apologists on here to argue otherwise.
Of course, I continually have the most basic of my expectations shattered by the aforementioned, so maybe not.
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I hope they put him in the general population. Let Mr fields meet them
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Postby Cerinda » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:52 pm

Good, I think the fucker deserves the death penalty but I'll settle for this.
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Cekoviu wrote:The United States tends to oversentence people, but I can see arguments for giving him life even taking that into account. Regardless of the sentence, he absolutely deserves a significant amount of time and I think it'd be hard for even the most die-hard Nazi apologists on here to argue otherwise.
Of course, I continually have the most basic of my expectations shattered by the aforementioned, so maybe not.


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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:53 pm

Cekoviu wrote:The United States tends to oversentence people, but I can see arguments for giving him life even taking that into account. Regardless of the sentence, he absolutely deserves a significant amount of time and I think it'd be hard for even the most die-hard Nazi apologists on here to argue otherwise.
Of course, I continually have the most basic of my expectations shattered by the aforementioned, so maybe not.

Most murderers should not be allowed to leave prison. There is no oversentencing in this case.

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Postby Xmara » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:54 pm

Cekoviu wrote:The United States tends to oversentence people, but I can see arguments for giving him life even taking that into account. Regardless of the sentence, he absolutely deserves a significant amount of time and I think it'd be hard for even the most die-hard Nazi apologists on here to argue otherwise.
Of course, I continually have the most basic of my expectations shattered by the aforementioned, so maybe not.

I have yet to meet a Nazi who opposes violence.
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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:The United States tends to oversentence people, but I can see arguments for giving him life even taking that into account. Regardless of the sentence, he absolutely deserves a significant amount of time and I think it'd be hard for even the most die-hard Nazi apologists on here to argue otherwise.
Of course, I continually have the most basic of my expectations shattered by the aforementioned, so maybe not.

Most murderers should not be allowed to leave prison. There is no oversentencing in this case.

Kinda amusing that a self-identified libertarian would be making this point tbh.
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Cekoviu wrote:The United States tends to oversentence people, but I can see arguments for giving him life even taking that into account. Regardless of the sentence, he absolutely deserves a significant amount of time and I think it'd be hard for even the most die-hard Nazi apologists on here to argue otherwise.
Of course, I continually have the most basic of my expectations shattered by the aforementioned, so maybe not.

I have yet to meet a Nazi who opposes violence.

I'm specifically talking about Nazi apologists on here, many of whom are not actual die-hard neo-Nazis. They generally try to keep a pretense of nonviolence.
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Postby Pyta » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:57 pm

Nazis, in generally, are really big fans of nonviolence and civility, provided the nonviolence and civility is being directed towards the nazis.

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My hope is that within the next five years, a good chunk of the white nationalist movement ends up in the same place as fields. These dudes live to cause problems and terrorize non whites and as far as I'm concerned, their movement is at the same moral and civilizations level as a street gang. Nothing but thugs
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I won't disagree that he got what he deserved. I mean I'm mixed and I'm sure he'd attempt to harm me or my family with as much confidence as he had when he ran his car into that crowd of people. However, I do not think that his sentence should be based off the idea that he committed hate crimes. I mean if you just ran a car into a crowd of people you'd have committed the same crimes, the only difference is that the justice system is policing his beliefs as well as his crimes.
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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Most murderers should not be allowed to leave prison. There is no oversentencing in this case.

Kinda amusing that a self-identified libertarian would be making this point tbh.
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Life sentences as a criminal penalty is not unlibertarian, especially when we are dealing with a terrorist/criminal like this.

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Postby Katganistan » Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:04 pm

Ghosteria wrote:I won't disagree that he got what he deserved. I mean I'm mixed and I'm sure he'd attempt to harm me or my family with as much confidence as he had when he ran his car into that crowd of people. However, I do not think that his sentence should be based off the idea that he committed hate crimes. I mean if you just ran a car into a crowd of people you'd have committed the same crimes, the only difference is that the justice system is policing his beliefs as well as his crimes.

He rammed them because of their beliefs.
He is appropriately sentenced.

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Good, he deserves it.
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Katganistan wrote:
Ghosteria wrote:I won't disagree that he got what he deserved. I mean I'm mixed and I'm sure he'd attempt to harm me or my family with as much confidence as he had when he ran his car into that crowd of people. However, I do not think that his sentence should be based off the idea that he committed hate crimes. I mean if you just ran a car into a crowd of people you'd have committed the same crimes, the only difference is that the justice system is policing his beliefs as well as his crimes.

He rammed them because of their beliefs.
He is appropriately sentenced.


So if someone decides to run someone over just for fun, it's not as bad? Murder is murder, people overrate intention
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:07 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Kinda amusing that a self-identified libertarian would be making this point tbh.
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Life sentences as a criminal penalty is not unlibertarian, especially when we are dealing with a terrorist/criminal like this.

Yeah, but they should be reserved for extreme cases. While this incident of domestic terrorism was significant, I wouldn't necessarily consider it to be enough to warrant a life sentence (on the order of decades with possibility of parole seems more appropriate). Life sentences, particularly without parole, should mainly be if someone has no way to recover. OTOH, a lot of terrorists can be deradicalized if given appropriate care.

I do want to make it abundantly clear that what he did was absolutely abhorrent and does deserve a significant sentence, and I'm in no way trying to defend him.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:11 pm

Cekoviu wrote:The United States tends to oversentence people, but I can see arguments for giving him life even taking that into account. Regardless of the sentence, he absolutely deserves a significant amount of time and I think it'd be hard for even the most die-hard Nazi apologists on here to argue otherwise.
Of course, I continually have the most basic of my expectations shattered by the aforementioned, so maybe not.


He killed a person and injured 30 others, the downside to this sentencing is that he has only one life to serve in prison.
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Kannap wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:The United States tends to oversentence people, but I can see arguments for giving him life even taking that into account. Regardless of the sentence, he absolutely deserves a significant amount of time and I think it'd be hard for even the most die-hard Nazi apologists on here to argue otherwise.
Of course, I continually have the most basic of my expectations shattered by the aforementioned, so maybe not.


He killed a person and injured 30 others, the downside to this sentencing is that he has only one life to serve in prison.

This kind of attitude is what makes it so hard to get appropriate rehabilitative care in the US prison system. Yes, he did an absolutely horrible thing and irreversibly harmed the lives of many, but he's not completely beyond redemption (or he wouldn't be if our prison systems weren't solely focused on punitive justice).
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Katganistan wrote:He rammed them because of their beliefs.
He is appropriately sentenced.


So if someone decides to run someone over just for fun, it's not as bad? Murder is murder, people overrate intention

Intent is the difference between murder and manslaughter.
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