woman shot in the stomach, charged with death of fetus

[Gormwood]

Ok, that's retarded.

Okay, on that front I've got to agree. Negligent Homicide, maybe. But 'intentionally' carries the implication that the fetus' death was the objective of her actions.

Trying to convict the woman of intentional manslaughter of a fetus is Alabama trying to set a precedent that allows them to literally criminalize abortion.

[Ifreann]

Yes, holding women criminally liable for miscarriages is probably the goal.

Until taking a morning after pill becomes capital murder.

Until pregnant women spend nine months at home, in bed, fearing to exert themselves in any way lest they miscarry and go to prison.

[Scomagia]

Just out of curiosity, do you oppose legal penalties for women who regularly drink during pregnancy and later give birth to a child with FAS?

To an extent I'd think that'd be fair.
Of course the key word there is 'child'.

I also am receiving input from my gf who has a friend who was born with FAS.
Her words are ''Tentatively yes, but we should only punish the mother if they knew the risks of drinking while pregnant. I would advocate for doctors being required to educate the mother of this when they inform the mother that they're pregnant."

The bottle itself educates you about the risks. There's even usually little pictures showing that pregnant women shouldn't drink, just in case the person holding the bottle is illiterate.

But, in any case, you wouldn't consider it a crime unless the fetus is born?

[Nova Cyberia]

To an extent I'd think that'd be fair.
Of course the key word there is 'child'.

I also am receiving input from my gf who has a friend who was born with FAS.
Her words are ''Tentatively yes, but we should only punish the mother if they knew the risks of drinking while pregnant. I would advocate for doctors being required to educate the mother of this when they inform the mother that they're pregnant."

The bottle itself educates you about the risks. There's even usually little pictures showing that pregnant women shouldn't drink, just in case the person holding the bottle is illiterate.

But, in any case, you wouldn't consider it a crime unless the fetus is born?

You kind of have to be in the negative IQ area to not realize that drinking while pregnant is harmful.

[Scomagia]

Just out of curiosity, do you oppose legal penalties for women who regularly drink during pregnancy and later give birth to a child with FAS?

Is this drawing parallels between that and this?

I don't think that they're comparable. One is a miscarriage the other is consciously choosing to continue a pregnancy to term, in which case there's a child.

No, it was meant as an aside.

[Tekania]

I’m pro-life, but come on Alabama. It wasn’t the pregnant woman’s fault that she lost her child. She was the victim! The woman who shot her should be the one charged. What’s next? Charging women who suffer miscarriages with murder?

The shooter had charges brought before the grand jury, the grand jury refused to indict.

[Scomagia]

I’m pro-life, but come on Alabama. It wasn’t the pregnant woman’s fault that she lost her child. She was the victim! The woman who shot her should be the one charged. What’s next? Charging women who suffer miscarriages with murder?

The shooter had charges brought before the grand jury, the grand jury refused to indict.

And rightly so.

[Vassenor]

The shooter had charges brought before the grand jury, the grand jury refused to indict.

And rightly so.

Shooting someone five times in the gut over a dispute is acceptable now?

[Proctopeo]

Ok, that's retarded.

Welcome to Alabama Gilead.

You really should get new material. At least go back to the Harry Potter references, that was an actually good series, with more than one possible tenuous connection to modern politics you could make.

As for this, twenty years is pretty excessive, but starting a fight when pregnant is just fucking stupid. Ideally, she'd get told off for being less mentally capable than a chewed crayon and the shooter would get off with just a "maybe be less trigger happy" suggestion.

[Scomagia]

And rightly so.

Shooting someone five times in the gut over a dispute is acceptable now?

Shooting someone who showed up with a crew and assaulted you is acceptable, yes.

It's entirely reasonable to use lethal force when a member of a group begins attacking you because chances are good that the rest of the group isn't there to just twiddle their thumbs and watch, they're going to jump in too. If you didn't know, death is a likely outcome of a group jumping.

[Tekania]

And rightly so.

Shooting someone five times in the gut over a dispute is acceptable now?

FYI the only place supposed shooting is stated as being five times is in a post by an abortion rights group seeking donations. The contents of that post's shot five times claim is not substantiated anywhere else by any other witness statements or reports.

[Ethel mermania]

And rightly so.

Shooting someone five times in the gut over a dispute is acceptable now?

1. You seemed to have missed it the last time you said 5, the 5 was withdrawn, they are only claiming one shot.

2. If the other person started it, and you are being assaulted while trying to leave the site, yes it is ok to shoot someone in self defense.

[Galloism]

And rightly so.

Shooting someone five times in the gut over a dispute is acceptable now?

Btw, I haven't found an actual credible source for the "five times". Police didn't say that in the local reports, just a pro-abortion group. Does anyone have any evidence it was 5 times?

[The Emerald Legion]

And rightly so.

Shooting someone five times in the gut over a dispute is acceptable now?

Yes.

[Loben The 2nd]

And rightly so.

Shooting someone five times in the gut over a dispute is acceptable now?

Depends.

Sometimes it takes more then one bullet.

[Kannap]

Shooting someone five times in the gut over a dispute is acceptable now?

Btw, I haven't found an actual credible source for the "five times". Police didn't say that in the local reports, just a pro-abortion group. Does anyone have any evidence it was 5 times?

Double down, all or nothing. I see your 5 shots and raise you 10 shots.

[Andsed]

And rightly so.

Shooting someone five times in the gut over a dispute is acceptable now?

Kind of depends on the situation. If the person is straight up attacking you like what happened here than yeah I would say firing a weapon is appropriate. Also where are you getting the 5 shots from?

[Loben The 2nd]

Btw, I haven't found an actual credible source for the "five times". Police didn't say that in the local reports, just a pro-abortion group. Does anyone have any evidence it was 5 times?

Double down, all or nothing. I see your 5 shots and raise you 10 shots.

Shit depending on the pistol that means he must’ve reloaded.

[Rojava Free State]

Shooting someone five times in the gut over a dispute is acceptable now?

Yes.

It's alabama. Abortion, being a Mexican or muslim and being gay are the only unacceptable things in that state. Everything else, including and especially violence is acceptable

[Vassenor]

Shooting someone five times in the gut over a dispute is acceptable now?

Btw, I haven't found an actual credible source for the "five times". Police didn't say that in the local reports, just a pro-abortion group. Does anyone have any evidence it was 5 times?

So what makes the shooting in any way acceptable?

[Scomagia]

Yes.

It's alabama. Abortion, being a Mexican or muslim and being gay are the only unacceptable things in that state. Everything else, including and especially violence is acceptable

Violence to preserve yourself is always acceptable.

[Kannap]

Double down, all or nothing. I see your 5 shots and raise you 10 shots.

Shit depending on the pistol that means he must’ve reloaded.

Self defense is a commitment.

[Scomagia]

Btw, I haven't found an actual credible source for the "five times". Police didn't say that in the local reports, just a pro-abortion group. Does anyone have any evidence it was 5 times?

So what makes the shooting in any way acceptable?

You mean aside from the prego chick assaulting her and having her crew there to probably do the same?

[Kannap]

Btw, I haven't found an actual credible source for the "five times". Police didn't say that in the local reports, just a pro-abortion group. Does anyone have any evidence it was 5 times?

So what makes the shooting in any way acceptable?

When somebody is attacked - and, presumably, fears harm or worse - they're allowed to act in self defense. Guns are a tool of self defense.

[Vassenor]

So what makes the shooting in any way acceptable?

You mean aside from the prego chick assaulting her and having her crew there to probably do the same?

So what did she do that constitutes assault?