woman shot in the stomach, charged with death of fetus

[Cetacea]

So in the perfect storm of Gun violence, the Pro-Life debate and American religious extremism a woman from Alabama who was shot in the stomach while pregnant has been charged with manslaughter of the unborn fetus within. The Woman who shot her has been released.

Alabama is one of 38 states with fetal homicide laws that recognize a fetus as a potential victim and recently the Alabama governor, signed a bill banning abortion in almost every circumstance. Alabama is also a “stand-your-ground” state, which means people are allowed to use physical force to defend themselves if their reason is considered “justifiable”.

“The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby,’’ said Lt Danny Reid of Pleasant Grove police following the shooting, reported AL.com in December. “It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.”

The case has raised alarm among pro-choice groups who say it is shocking evidence of how the state’s restrictive abortion laws are now being used against pregnant women.

So there you have it expectant provocateurs NSG a woman indicted for manslaughter for losing a pregnancy after being shot in the story is just the latest bizarre story that American serves up to baffle and astound us less ballistic nations. Do you think she should be charged because she provoked the shooting? Should the shooter have any responsibility? Do Fetuses have rights? Is Alabama still in Kansas anymore?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... 1561672289

[NERVUN]

Yet another example why I'm glad I'm on the other side of the planet.

[Kowani]

This came up in the Abortion thread a few days ago. It’s not any better now.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I don't see why this case is worthy of manslaughter charges, but that is just my opinion.

Of course someone of twitter used this case to race bait.

[The Free Joy State]

A woman being charged for someone else causing the death of her foetus is a very concerning, but not surprising, development. She should not have been charged.

Alabama are taking some very worrying steps in the regulation of pregnant women.

[Al Mumtahanah]

It is like a mother carrying a baby starting a fight, she will be held responsible in western law if the baby is killed as a result.

[Nova Cyberia]

Hm, a fetus, Alabama, and guns.

Sounds like a perfect NSG debate thread.

[Australian Colonies]

What exactly was the reason for the shooting?

[Duhon]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

like
wow Alabama
literally she was shot Alabama
what the hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[The Alma Mater]

If only she had been hit by a man.. then there would have been no problem. Exodus is pretty clear on that:

"If some men are fighting and hurt a pregnant woman so that she loses her child, but she is not injured in any other way, the one who hurt her is to be fined whatever amount the woman's husband demands, subject to the approval of the judges.

[Duhon]

Hm, a fetus, Alabama, and guns.

Sounds like a perfect NSG debate thread.

A perfect shitstorm of universal condemnation, or...?

[The Black Forrest]

What exactly was the reason for the shooting?

From I read and the details are lacking.

Alabama is one of those stand your ground states. Basically; the angry pregnant woman scared another woman and she had to shoot her five times to defend herself.

*edit* I don't know why I thought it was five times. Re-reading an article said once.

[Duhon]

What exactly was the reason for the shooting?

From I read and the details are lacking.

Alabama is one of those stand your ground states. Basically; the angry pregnant woman scared another woman and she had to shoot her five times to defender herself.

And because she had started it while pregnant, she gets the penalties while her shooter walks off. I mean, I still can hardly believe my eyes. Should Alabama wish her dead yet?

[Nova Cyberia]

Hm, a fetus, Alabama, and guns.

Sounds like a perfect NSG debate thread.

A perfect shitstorm of universal condemnation, or...?

Oh, it's a perfect shitstorm all right.

This thread is going to be locked at least within a week. I guarantee it. It's going to turn into an abortion debate and those just never go well... anywhere... ever. Also, it's Alabama which just seems to make NSG even angrier for some reason.

Why couldn't we just come reproduce by laying eggs? That way abortion wouldn't be as big of an issue. But noooooo...

[Bombadil]

“We both could have did something different to avoid it,” Jemison said. “I’m not saying that it all falls on me or that it all falls on her. We both actually took actions that led up to that.”

According to Jemison, she, Jones, and the baby’s father worked together at a warehouse in Royal Oaks at the time of the shooting. She said that Jones would often get suspicious when the baby’s father — who was a supervisor — would talk to new female employees in the warehouse.

Jemison, who was a temp at the warehouse, said that she talked to the man only in the capacity of her work and that Jones had never confronted her directly about it.

But, Jemison said, on the day of the shooting she and three of her friends went to the Dollar General store during their lunch break when she saw Jones with four of her friends approaching her outside the store.

An altercation broke out, and Jemison claimed that Jones grabbed her hair.

Jemison said she then fired a single shot from her gun toward the ground that was intended to be a “warning shot” because “there was too much going on and just too many bodies.”


“My shot wasn’t to hurt anybody,” Jemison said. “It was just to get everybody to leave.”

Jemison said that after she fired the shot, everybody left in their respective cars. She said she only found out that she had struck Jones and killed her unborn baby when a detective showed up at her house after the shooting.

Jemison was arrested and charged with manslaughter.

“The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby,’’ Pleasant Grove police Lt. Danny Reid told AL.com at the time of Jemison’s arrest. “It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.”

Reid also then hinted at the possibility of potential charges against Jones, saying that it was her responsibility as a mother to protect her child and avoid physical altercations.

“The mother’s involvement and culpability will be presented to a grand jury,” Reid said at the time. “When a 5-month pregnant woman initiates a fight and attacks another person, I believe some responsibility lies with her as to any injury to her unborn child. That child is dependent on its mother to try to keep it from harm, and she shouldn’t seek out unnecessary physical altercations.”

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[The Black Forrest]

From I read and the details are lacking.

Alabama is one of those stand your ground states. Basically; the angry pregnant woman scared another woman and she had to shoot her five times to defender herself.

And because she had started it while pregnant, she gets the penalties while her shooter walks off. I mean, I still can hardly believe my eyes. Should Alabama wish her dead yet?

\Gun rights have to be protected. Charging the shooter with something would have opened the door to problems. Stand your ground protects against that.

If you have going to declare the fetus as sacrosanct; can you have exceptions? The shooter could have been charged with something.

[Bombadil]

The above account doesn't accord with..

“Marshae Jones was indicted for manslaughter for losing a pregnancy after being shot in the abdomen FIVE times. Her shooter remains free,” wrote Alabama-based abortion group the Yellowhammer Fund on Twitter. “We’re going to get Marshae out of jail and assist with her legal representation.”

Was it one warning shot gone wrong or 5 shots to the stomach?

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Hmm, in my opinion, it hinges on whether it's reasonable to expect someone to shoot you or stab you in this sort of situation. If it is, then I think that the mother cops the blame, because she initiated the fight.

However, if not, and it certainly isn't in Australia, then blaming the mother is unfair. How can she have foreseen that a catfight would lead to guns out?

[Jack Thomas Lang]

The above account doesn't accord with..

“Marshae Jones was indicted for manslaughter for losing a pregnancy after being shot in the abdomen FIVE times. Her shooter remains free,” wrote Alabama-based abortion group the Yellowhammer Fund on Twitter. “We’re going to get Marshae out of jail and assist with her legal representation.”

Was it one warning shot gone wrong or 5 shots to the stomach?

Hmm, do I trust the personal testimony of the shooter or a pro-abortion group on twitter with a vested interest on portraying this in a pro-abortion light.

[The Alma Mater]

Hmm, in my opinion, it hinges on whether it's reasonable to expect someone to shoot you or stab you in this sort of situation. If it is, then I think that the mother cops the blame, because she initiated the fight.

Is that not like arguing it is your own fault if you get raped if you wear a short skirt in a shady part of town ?

[Bombadil]

Hmm, in my opinion, it hinges on whether it's reasonable to expect someone to shoot you or stab you in this sort of situation. If it is, then I think that the mother cops the blame, because she initiated the fight.

However, if not, and it certainly isn't in Australia, then blaming the mother is unfair. How can she have foreseen that a catfight would lead to guns out?

If the foetus is considered a person, then the shooter should be convicted of shooting that person, regardless of whether she was defending herself from the mother.

If they're to be consistent.

[Bombadil]

The above account doesn't accord with..

“Marshae Jones was indicted for manslaughter for losing a pregnancy after being shot in the abdomen FIVE times. Her shooter remains free,” wrote Alabama-based abortion group the Yellowhammer Fund on Twitter. “We’re going to get Marshae out of jail and assist with her legal representation.”

Was it one warning shot gone wrong or 5 shots to the stomach?

Hmm, do I trust the personal testimony of the shooter or a pro-abortion group on twitter with a vested interest on portraying this in a pro-abortion light.

Or trust neither, I can't find specifically whether it was one or 5 shots.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Is that not like arguing it is your own fault if you get raped if you wear a short skirt in a shady part of town ?

Not quite, since the mother initiated the fight in the first place. Apples and oranges.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

If the foetus is considered a person, then the shooter should be convicted of shooting that person, regardless of whether she was defending herself from the mother.

If they're to be consistent.

That would be more consistent. The shooter should have been charged with manslaughter, the mother should have been told off for starting the fight.

[The Black Forrest]

Hmm, do I trust the personal testimony of the shooter or a pro-abortion group on twitter with a vested interest on portraying this in a pro-abortion light.

Or trust neither, I can't find specifically whether it was one or 5 shots.

I struck that comment. I thought I read five shots and now I can't find it......