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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:55 am

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Liriena wrote:Love me some bigots doing their usual concern trolling about LGBT people's health, only bringing up our specific health issues to shit on us.

Go away. You're not presenting this topic in good faith and you're not adding anything of value to anyone's life with this "anti-PC" garbage.

You don't have any good arguments against the lad'. You're just insulting him because of his rightful beliefs.


The dude can't even read his own sources properly. That's always a bad start to any serious argument.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:55 am

And what argument, exactly? LGBT people are disproportionately affected by certain health and safety issues, ergo OP implies that being gay is an abnormality?

That's not an argument. That's falsely conflating correlation with causation. It's embarrassingly shallow at best and maliciously dishonest at worst.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:56 am

Liriena wrote:And what argument, exactly? LGBT people are disproportionately affected by certain health and safety issues, ergo OP implies that being gay is an abnormality?

That's not an argument. That's falsely conflating correlation with causation. It's embarrassingly shallow at best and maliciously dishonest at worst.


It’s homophobia masked as “research”.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:57 am

Earth-Moon System wrote:
Ravennog wrote:
What a pathetic argument; you've only shown that intolerance against the LGBT community is unfounded.

Again, you're just another politically correct simplewit that doesn't have any good arguments against the lads' well-written post with unbiased sources

OP, if you gotta create sock puppets just to feel a bit less alone in your own thread, maybe consider not putting out poorly researched and poorly argued garbage in public.

And don't insult your detractors.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:58 am

Liriena wrote:
Earth-Moon System wrote:Again, you're just another politically correct simplewit that doesn't have any good arguments against the lads' well-written post with unbiased sources

OP, if you gotta create sock puppets just to feel a bit less alone in your own thread, maybe consider not putting out poorly researched and poorly argued garbage in public.

And don't insult your detractors.

The last line is rather ironic given the acidity you've put on the last posts here, tbh.
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Postby Earth-Moon System » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:58 am

Liriena wrote:
Earth-Moon System wrote:Again, you're just another politically correct simplewit that doesn't have any good arguments against the lads' well-written post with unbiased sources

OP, if you gotta create sock puppets just to feel a bit less alone in your own thread, maybe consider not putting out poorly researched and poorly argued garbage in public.

And don't insult your detractors.

I'm not OP's sockpuppet

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Postby Liriena » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:59 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Liriena wrote:OP, if you gotta create sock puppets just to feel a bit less alone in your own thread, maybe consider not putting out poorly researched and poorly argued garbage in public.

And don't insult your detractors.

The last line is rather ironic given the acidity you've put on the last posts here, tbh.

Acidity and correctly identifying one's detractor as bigoted is not the same as insulting them by calling them a "simplewit".
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:00 pm

Earth-Moon System wrote:
Liriena wrote:OP, if you gotta create sock puppets just to feel a bit less alone in your own thread, maybe consider not putting out poorly researched and poorly argued garbage in public.

And don't insult your detractors.

I'm not OP's sockpuppet

That makes your desperate defense of them even sadder.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:01 pm

Earth-Moon System wrote:
Liriena wrote:OP, if you gotta create sock puppets just to feel a bit less alone in your own thread, maybe consider not putting out poorly researched and poorly argued garbage in public.

I'm not OP's sockpuppet

Strange how the OP signed off just as you appeared, isn't it? :roll:
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Postby Earth-Moon System » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:01 pm

Liriena wrote:
Earth-Moon System wrote:I'm not OP's sockpuppet

That makes your desperate defense of them even sadder.

Stop being toxic, will you?

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:01 pm

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:02 pm

Liriena wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:The last line is rather ironic given the acidity you've put on the last posts here, tbh.

Acidity and correctly identifying one's detractor as bigoted is not the same as insulting them by calling them a "simplewit".

Doesn't make you any less wrong either
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Postby Agarntrop » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:02 pm

Wladfa wrote:
No credible medical journals, psychological studies, or even studies by LGBTQ individuals.

Wouldn’t trusting studies by lgbt people be the embodiment of bias?

No. That's logic, not bias. If you want to investigate the situation of a particular community, you go and ask people who belong to that community.


Wladfa wrote:Fact of the matter is simple, evolutionary biology teaches that for a species to survive it’s individuals must:

1) Self preserve

2) Procreate

How are LGBT individuals not preserving themselves? Also, the rate of homosexuality in the USA is currently 1.7% - there is no realistic prospect of nor is anyone suggesting that homosexuality become mandatory or expected. It is nowhere near large enough a trait for it to effect birth rates.


Wladfa wrote:Well everything but the B in LGBT makes the matter unrealistic, so the only conclusion that can be drawn scientifically speaking is that it is in fact disorderly in nature. And how anyone can argue that Gender Dysphoria isn’t a mental health disorder is beyond me seeing literally mutilates and cutting off your genitals in a surgical procedure is the exact opposite of natural practice for procreation.

Transgender people can procreate, just in a different role. Also, who says you can decide what people do to their own bodies?
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:02 pm

Earth-Moon System wrote:
Liriena wrote:That makes your desperate defense of them even sadder.

Stop being toxic, will you?

You could always amaze me with some serious argumentation. You'd be doing OP's own argument a lot of favors there too.
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Postby Realm of Coffeecakes » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:03 pm

How can I be homophobic when I am not afraid of homosexuals?

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Postby Liriena » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:03 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Liriena wrote:Acidity and correctly identifying one's detractor as bigoted is not the same as insulting them by calling them a "simplewit".

Doesn't make you any less wrong either

"Wrong" how?
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Postby Earth-Moon System » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:03 pm

Liberal arguments in favor of homosexuality are based on logical fallacies. Source: http://hrcak.srce.hr/index.php?show=cla ... 28&lang=en

It's safe to discard 95% of the "arguments" here against OP's unbiased and correct research homophobic bigotry marked as research

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Postby Agarntrop » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:03 pm

Earth-Moon System wrote:
Ravennog wrote:
What a pathetic argument; you've only shown that intolerance against the LGBT community is unfounded.

Again, you're just another politically correct simplewit that doesn't have any good arguments against the lads' well-written post with unbiased sources

Reliable my arse
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Postby Realm of Coffeecakes » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:03 pm

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Vassenor wrote:I also note you're still avoiding some very basic questions about your study methodology.

You mean to tell me that cherry-picked responses some het guy got from Queer people in order to selectively form a hypothesis based on supporting their extermination could have been shoddily researched? Say it ain't so, Sam


Where did I call for the extermination of LGBT people?

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Postby Highever » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:04 pm

Realm of Coffeecakes wrote:How can I be homophobic when I am not afraid of homosexuals?

When homophobia is defined as the dislike or prejudice against homosexuals.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:04 pm

Realm of Coffeecakes wrote:How can I be homophobic when I am not afraid of homosexuals?

>"I am not afraid of homosexuals"
>"homosexuals are a mentally ill public health and safety threat and we need to stop being so PC about it"

yeah, no, your "argument" stinks of fear
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:04 pm

Realm of Coffeecakes wrote:How can I be homophobic when I am not afraid of homosexuals?

That's not what homophobia means.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:05 pm

Earth-Moon System wrote:Liberal arguments in favor of homosexuality are based on logical fallacies. Source: http://hrcak.srce.hr/index.php?show=cla ... 28&lang=en

It's safe to discard 95% of the "arguments" here against OP's unbiased and correct research homophobic bigotry marked as research


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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:05 pm

Realm of Coffeecakes wrote:
Galway-Dublin wrote:You mean to tell me that cherry-picked responses some het guy got from Queer people in order to selectively form a hypothesis based on supporting their extermination could have been shoddily researched? Say it ain't so, Sam


Where did I call for the extermination of LGBT people?


Wishing to "heal them of their homosexuality" or Conversion therapy is a form of extermination.
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Postby Agarntrop » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:06 pm

Realm of Coffeecakes wrote:
Galway-Dublin wrote:You mean to tell me that cherry-picked responses some het guy got from Queer people in order to selectively form a hypothesis based on supporting their extermination could have been shoddily researched? Say it ain't so, Sam


Where did I call for the extermination of LGBT people?

You literally said that you wanted the end of homosexuality
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