Drying the Neo-Nazis Out

[Onitsha Empire]

Nazis were secularists and against monarchy, I see them more as moderates than far right.

Scum? Can you call people that here?

Imma make the nazis look like centrists.

"Left" and "right" are just meaningless words without context.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Haha, get fucked.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

So the Nazis will be sober. So what?

[Onitsha Empire]

So the Nazis will be sober. So what?

It changes nothing. You can not stop Nazi-like murderous ideologies in a world full of knowledge and hence Machiavellianism.

[Rojava Free State]

I have a solution to the Nazi problem. If they come to town, everyone comes out on their porch with their guns. The Nazis can march and chant all they want but the minute anyone gets injured or over $1 of property damage occurs, their families will have plenty to mourn over

[Tokora]

Systematically murdering millions of people was not fucking standard policy. Way to insultingly dismiss the holocaust by making shit up.

He is sadly not wrong though, genocide was performed quite a few times in the late 19th to the mid 20th century, such as the Bengali famine and the Belgian Congo atrocities.

The only difference honestly was that the Holocaust was industrialized guaranteeing a body count far higher than previously possible.

[Rojava Free State]

He is sadly not wrong though, genocide was performed quite a few times in the late 19th to the mid 20th century, such as the Bengali famine and the Belgian Congo atrocities.

The only difference honestly was that the Holocaust was industrialized guaranteeing a body count far higher than previously possible.

Unpopular opinion, people need to stop treating the holocaust like it was literally the only genocide in history. since the holocaust there have been numerous ethnic cleansing incidents worldwide and no one cares, yet we still have days to remember germany's greatest sin. What about the bosnians? What about the tutsis? What about the yezedi? WhaT about the chaldeans? What about the kurds? What about the armenians? I'm not saying the victims of the holocaust don't deserve to be remembered, but we treat them like theyre more important than the other victims of genocides throughout history

[Tornado Queendom]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48744643

"Beer and marching songs may have fuelled Adolf Hitler's rise to power, but neo-Nazis faced an alcohol ban at a German rock festival at the weekend.

The ban was a new tool in the fight against neo-Nazi influence. Some 2,000 locals in the eastern town of Ostritz also rallied against the far right.

Police seized 4,200 litres (924 UK gallons) of beer in Ostritz on Friday, then 200 litres more on Saturday.

Locals also bought more than 200 crates of beer in the town's supermarkets.

They suspected that fans going to the "Shield and Sword" (SS) festival would descend on supermarkets, knowing about the alcohol ban, which had been imposed by a Dresden court.

An Ostritz society activist, Georg Salditt, told Germany's popular Bild daily: "The plan was devised a week in advance. We wanted to dry the Nazis out. We thought, if an alcohol ban is coming, we'll empty the shelves at the Penny [supermarket].""

_{this is unaltered text copied and pasted directly from the source linked above; i am not resposible for any factual inaccuracies, that's on the editors.}

So, if you don't plan on reading the whole article, in a TLDR this town-Ostritz, Germany-is infamous for Neo-Nazi activity. The locals are fighting against that. They organized this plan and hope to keep any violence that may spur from the event at bay. This is only one of many acts the townsfolk are taking staunchly against these Neo-Nazis. You can see more of their acts here.

So, NSG, what do you think about this issue? Is this town doing the right thing? Do the nazis have a right to their alcohol? Should they just ban the event itself? Should they accept this red tide coming in to choke out their freedoms?

I personally think that it'd be more reasonable to just ban the event and tell them to spread their violent, racist garbage elsewhere, but this shows that these people are willing to not only make sacrifices for the antifascist cause, but they're willing to do whatever they can to smudge these scum out.

Also, please remember to abide site rules. You may be a nazi, but you can be a civil nazi.

As a Civil Ancap/Nazi (depending on your point of view), I disagree with banning Nazism. The best thing to do is to allow them to speak, then watch as they are "proven" that Nazism is a punchline now.

[East African Unitary State]

The platform based entirely around scapegoating an entire people and systematically persecuting and then exterminating them is not genocidal. In other news, water is apparently not wet.

Its simply not true though. Antisemitism was only one core part of the platform as opposed to all of it. Guess what? Antisemitism was popular in most of Europe anyways during early 20th century. There was at least a Madagascar Plan and attempts at mass deportation to alternative countries before what happened happened.

There's also Uganda plan, Siberian plan, Palestine plan....wait.

[Onitsha Empire]

He is sadly not wrong though, genocide was performed quite a few times in the late 19th to the mid 20th century, such as the Bengali famine and the Belgian Congo atrocities.

The only difference honestly was that the Holocaust was industrialized guaranteeing a body count far higher than previously possible.

Right....and ethnobioweapons will help you forget about both for they will actually wipe out tribes completely over night as opposed to allowing some victims to continue to exist and talk about the massacres..

Yes, that's the future of humanity.

[Nakena]

Good riddance. Now the citizens of the town have huge beer stockpiles and can throw their own parties. Or sell it later.

[The Snazzylands]

Those fools. The alcoholism was the only thing keeping the Nazis from getting their shit together and being a competent political movement. Now that they're not picking fights with each other and playing their trash rock, they're going to get normal haircuts, start organizing politically, and participate in civil society. What have you done?

Okay, so you can't find it in their platform, that's what I thought.

......yes apparently providing a source on Nazism with two large quotations from it that explicitly state and extrapolate on how race and eugenics was a large part of their ideology is...failing to find that race and eugenics was a large part of their ideology.

Is your reading comprehension that weak? Shame on your teachers.

I think Al Mumtahanah was referring to this, the actual platform of the NSDAP.
And America had eugenics and racial segregation before the Nazi party was even a thing. Does that make race and eugenics a large part of American Democracy?

The only difference honestly was that the Holocaust was industrialized guaranteeing a body count far higher than previously possible.

Unpopular opinion, people need to stop treating the holocaust like it was literally the only genocide in history. since the holocaust there have been numerous ethnic cleansing incidents worldwide and no one cares, yet we still have days to remember germany's greatest sin. What about the bosnians? What about the tutsis? What about the yezedi? WhaT about the chaldeans? What about the kurds? What about the armenians? I'm not saying the victims of the holocaust don't deserve to be remembered, but we treat them like theyre more important than the other victims of genocides throughout history

It could have something to do with those groups' ability to have their voices heard. Maybe we should take a look at how many ethnic Bosnians, Tutsis, and Kurds there are in influential positions within the media and entertainment industry, compared to people who are ethnically Jewish.

[Rojava Free State]

Unpopular opinion, people need to stop treating the holocaust like it was literally the only genocide in history. since the holocaust there have been numerous ethnic cleansing incidents worldwide and no one cares, yet we still have days to remember germany's greatest sin. What about the bosnians? What about the tutsis? What about the yezedi? WhaT about the chaldeans? What about the kurds? What about the armenians? I'm not saying the victims of the holocaust don't deserve to be remembered, but we treat them like theyre more important than the other victims of genocides throughout history

It could have something to do with those groups' ability to have their voices heard. Maybe we should take a look at how many ethnic Bosnians, Tutsis, and Kurds there are in influential positions within the media and entertainment industry, compared to people who are ethnically Jewish.[/quote]

Why do I hear kicking at my door and someone screaming in hebrew?

[The Snazzylands]

It could have something to do with those groups' ability to have their voices heard. Maybe we should take a look at how many ethnic Bosnians, Tutsis, and Kurds there are in influential positions within the media and entertainment industry, compared to people who are ethnically Jewish.

Why do I hear kicking at my door and someone screaming in hebrew?

!להיפתח MOSSAD

[Pasong Tirad]

Hahahaha. Very chaotic good.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

So the Nazis will be sober. So what?

It changes nothing. You can not stop Nazi-like murderous ideologies in a world full of knowledge and hence Machiavellianism.

I hope that historical knowledge will keep preventing people from voting neo-Nazis into power.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Why would you ban alcohol at a particular event? Doubt left-wing events get the same restrictions from the ridiculously hypocritical german legal system.

[Risottia]

So, NSG, what do you think about this issue?

Ich bin dafür.

Is this town doing the right thing?

Ja, genau.

Do the nazis have a right to their alcohol?

Nein. Das einzige Recht, das die Nazis haben, ist nach Sibirien zu gehen und dort in einem Gulag zu bleiben.
Und ich meine "gehen", nicht "fahren".

Should they just ban the event itself? Should they accept this red tide coming in to choke out their freedoms?

Was die Nazis denken oder wollen, ist mir scheißegal.

[Risottia]

The Nazi platform was not genocidal,

This is bullshit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... viet_Union
1. The total eradication of all forms of "Judeo-Bolshevik" leadership, which encompassed its perceived biological roots, namely the millions of Jews occupying central and eastern Europe.
2. The requisite acquisition of Lebensraum or colonial space necessary for German settlement in the finest and most arable territories within Russia, or in those parts of Russia which provided political or strategic advantages in Hitler's mind.
3. The subjugation and decimation of the Slavic people, which was to be divided into four German territories or "Reich Commissariats" entitled Ostland, Ukraine, Moskovia and Caucasus, with each subordinated to German "viceroys" and ruled much the same way the British ruled their colonial dominion India. One of the principal aims of German leadership in these Reich Commissariats would be the cancellation of any semblance or memory of Russian statehood and the conditioning of these subordinated "states" to German mastery.
4. Ultimately, a "great space" autarchy in continental Europe under German suzerainty would result, one capable of defeating any possible Allied blockade and for whom the vanquished eastern territories could provide a theoretically inexhaustible source of raw materials and food necessary for any protracted war against the Anglo-Saxon powers. The establishment of this "German Reich of the Germanic nation" also included in its planning to feed its soldiers off the Russian land, although that meant that "many millions of people will be starved to death", a directive already contemplated by the Economic Staff East no later than 2 May 1941.[120]
death", a directive already contemplated by the Economic Staff East no later than 2 May 1941.[120]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... _Holocaust
Given the abounding circumstantial evidence in Hitler's speeches, writing in Mein Kampf, administrative meeting notes taken by subordinates and the recollections of those in or near his inner-circle, it seems that his political intention was for Jews, Slavs and other "enemies" of the Nazi state to be persecuted without mercy in lieu of how gradual the process actually developed.

Hitler wrote his first antisemitic letter to Adolf Gemlich on 16 September 1919 stating that Jews were a race and not a religious group and that the aim for the government "must unshakably be the removal of the Jews altogether".[126] Throughout Mein Kampf, Hitler employs biological crudity by describing the Jews as "parasites" or "vermin".[127] Reflecting back on the beginning of the First World War, Hitler makes the eerily prescient statement that had these "Hebrew corrupters" been "held under poison gas", it may have otherwise saved millions of German lives.[128]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf#Antisemitism
While historians dispute the exact date Hitler decided to exterminate the Jewish people, few place the decision before the mid-1930s.[11] First published in 1925, Mein Kampf shows Hitler's personal grievances and his ambitions for creating a New Order.

The historian Ian Kershaw points out that several passages in Mein Kampf are undeniably of a genocidal nature.[12] Hitler wrote "the nationalization of our masses will succeed only when, aside from all the positive struggle for the soul of our people, their international poisoners are exterminated",[13] and he suggested that, "If at the beginning of the war and during the war twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the nation had been subjected to poison gas, such as had to be endured in the field by hundreds of thousands of our very best German workers of all classes and professions, then the sacrifice of millions at the front would not have been in vain."[14]

The racial laws to which Hitler referred resonate directly with his ideas in Mein Kampf. In the first edition of Mein Kampf, Hitler stated that the destruction of the weak and sick is far more humane than their protection. Apart from this allusion to humane treatment, Hitler saw a purpose in destroying "the weak" in order to provide the proper space and purity for the "strong".[15]



Seriously, avoid spreading your Nazi lies here.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The Nazi platform was not genocidal,

This is bullshit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... viet_Union
1. The total eradication of all forms of "Judeo-Bolshevik" leadership, which encompassed its perceived biological roots, namely the millions of Jews occupying central and eastern Europe.
2. The requisite acquisition of Lebensraum or colonial space necessary for German settlement in the finest and most arable territories within Russia, or in those parts of Russia which provided political or strategic advantages in Hitler's mind.
3. The subjugation and decimation of the Slavic people, which was to be divided into four German territories or "Reich Commissariats" entitled Ostland, Ukraine, Moskovia and Caucasus, with each subordinated to German "viceroys" and ruled much the same way the British ruled their colonial dominion India. One of the principal aims of German leadership in these Reich Commissariats would be the cancellation of any semblance or memory of Russian statehood and the conditioning of these subordinated "states" to German mastery.
4. Ultimately, a "great space" autarchy in continental Europe under German suzerainty would result, one capable of defeating any possible Allied blockade and for whom the vanquished eastern territories could provide a theoretically inexhaustible source of raw materials and food necessary for any protracted war against the Anglo-Saxon powers. The establishment of this "German Reich of the Germanic nation" also included in its planning to feed its soldiers off the Russian land, although that meant that "many millions of people will be starved to death", a directive already contemplated by the Economic Staff East no later than 2 May 1941.[120]
death", a directive already contemplated by the Economic Staff East no later than 2 May 1941.[120]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... _Holocaust
Given the abounding circumstantial evidence in Hitler's speeches, writing in Mein Kampf, administrative meeting notes taken by subordinates and the recollections of those in or near his inner-circle, it seems that his political intention was for Jews, Slavs and other "enemies" of the Nazi state to be persecuted without mercy in lieu of how gradual the process actually developed.

Hitler wrote his first antisemitic letter to Adolf Gemlich on 16 September 1919 stating that Jews were a race and not a religious group and that the aim for the government "must unshakably be the removal of the Jews altogether".[126] Throughout Mein Kampf, Hitler employs biological crudity by describing the Jews as "parasites" or "vermin".[127] Reflecting back on the beginning of the First World War, Hitler makes the eerily prescient statement that had these "Hebrew corrupters" been "held under poison gas", it may have otherwise saved millions of German lives.[128]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf#Antisemitism
While historians dispute the exact date Hitler decided to exterminate the Jewish people, few place the decision before the mid-1930s.[11] First published in 1925, Mein Kampf shows Hitler's personal grievances and his ambitions for creating a New Order.

The historian Ian Kershaw points out that several passages in Mein Kampf are undeniably of a genocidal nature.[12] Hitler wrote "the nationalization of our masses will succeed only when, aside from all the positive struggle for the soul of our people, their international poisoners are exterminated",[13] and he suggested that, "If at the beginning of the war and during the war twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the nation had been subjected to poison gas, such as had to be endured in the field by hundreds of thousands of our very best German workers of all classes and professions, then the sacrifice of millions at the front would not have been in vain."[14]

The racial laws to which Hitler referred resonate directly with his ideas in Mein Kampf. In the first edition of Mein Kampf, Hitler stated that the destruction of the weak and sick is far more humane than their protection. Apart from this allusion to humane treatment, Hitler saw a purpose in destroying "the weak" in order to provide the proper space and purity for the "strong".[15]



Seriously, avoid spreading your Nazi lies here.

You're still acting like what happened 70 years ago is a reason to do things against modern-day neo-nazis.

[Risottia]

Nazi: I would like to buy beer
Clerk: Are you a Nazi?
Nazi: No
Clerk: Okay, here you go

More like:

Nazi: I would like to buy a beer
Clerk: Kein Bier mehr.
Nazi: I am totally not a nazi tho.
Clerk: Lemme see...
Nazi:
Clerk:

[Risottia]

This is bullshit.
...(quotes)[/i]

Seriously, avoid spreading your Nazi lies here.

You're still acting like what happened 70 years ago is a reason to do things against modern-day neo-nazis.

I'm answering with quotes to the literal claim that the Nazi platform wasn't genocidal.
Got issues with that, or are you just trying to build a strawman to support Nazi revisionist propaganda?

[Internationalist Bastard]

I really like the idea of not banning nazis, just horribly inconveniencing them

[Internationalist Bastard]

This is bullshit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... viet_Union
1. The total eradication of all forms of "Judeo-Bolshevik" leadership, which encompassed its perceived biological roots, namely the millions of Jews occupying central and eastern Europe.
2. The requisite acquisition of Lebensraum or colonial space necessary for German settlement in the finest and most arable territories within Russia, or in those parts of Russia which provided political or strategic advantages in Hitler's mind.
3. The subjugation and decimation of the Slavic people, which was to be divided into four German territories or "Reich Commissariats" entitled Ostland, Ukraine, Moskovia and Caucasus, with each subordinated to German "viceroys" and ruled much the same way the British ruled their colonial dominion India. One of the principal aims of German leadership in these Reich Commissariats would be the cancellation of any semblance or memory of Russian statehood and the conditioning of these subordinated "states" to German mastery.
4. Ultimately, a "great space" autarchy in continental Europe under German suzerainty would result, one capable of defeating any possible Allied blockade and for whom the vanquished eastern territories could provide a theoretically inexhaustible source of raw materials and food necessary for any protracted war against the Anglo-Saxon powers. The establishment of this "German Reich of the Germanic nation" also included in its planning to feed its soldiers off the Russian land, although that meant that "many millions of people will be starved to death", a directive already contemplated by the Economic Staff East no later than 2 May 1941.[120]
death", a directive already contemplated by the Economic Staff East no later than 2 May 1941.[120]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... _Holocaust
Given the abounding circumstantial evidence in Hitler's speeches, writing in Mein Kampf, administrative meeting notes taken by subordinates and the recollections of those in or near his inner-circle, it seems that his political intention was for Jews, Slavs and other "enemies" of the Nazi state to be persecuted without mercy in lieu of how gradual the process actually developed.

Hitler wrote his first antisemitic letter to Adolf Gemlich on 16 September 1919 stating that Jews were a race and not a religious group and that the aim for the government "must unshakably be the removal of the Jews altogether".[126] Throughout Mein Kampf, Hitler employs biological crudity by describing the Jews as "parasites" or "vermin".[127] Reflecting back on the beginning of the First World War, Hitler makes the eerily prescient statement that had these "Hebrew corrupters" been "held under poison gas", it may have otherwise saved millions of German lives.[128]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf#Antisemitism
While historians dispute the exact date Hitler decided to exterminate the Jewish people, few place the decision before the mid-1930s.[11] First published in 1925, Mein Kampf shows Hitler's personal grievances and his ambitions for creating a New Order.

The historian Ian Kershaw points out that several passages in Mein Kampf are undeniably of a genocidal nature.[12] Hitler wrote "the nationalization of our masses will succeed only when, aside from all the positive struggle for the soul of our people, their international poisoners are exterminated",[13] and he suggested that, "If at the beginning of the war and during the war twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the nation had been subjected to poison gas, such as had to be endured in the field by hundreds of thousands of our very best German workers of all classes and professions, then the sacrifice of millions at the front would not have been in vain."[14]

The racial laws to which Hitler referred resonate directly with his ideas in Mein Kampf. In the first edition of Mein Kampf, Hitler stated that the destruction of the weak and sick is far more humane than their protection. Apart from this allusion to humane treatment, Hitler saw a purpose in destroying "the weak" in order to provide the proper space and purity for the "strong".[15]



Seriously, avoid spreading your Nazi lies here.

You're still acting like what happened 70 years ago is a reason to do things against modern-day neo-nazis.

Considering that given a chance they’d do it again, yeah we have every right to have problems with neo nazis

[Greater vakolicci haven]

You're still acting like what happened 70 years ago is a reason to do things against modern-day neo-nazis.

Considering that given a chance they’d do it again, yeah we have every right to have problems with neo nazis

Got any sauce for that?