Drying the Neo-Nazis Out

[Ashakad]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48744643

"Beer and marching songs may have fuelled Adolf Hitler's rise to power, but neo-Nazis faced an alcohol ban at a German rock festival at the weekend.

The ban was a new tool in the fight against neo-Nazi influence. Some 2,000 locals in the eastern town of Ostritz also rallied against the far right.

Police seized 4,200 litres (924 UK gallons) of beer in Ostritz on Friday, then 200 litres more on Saturday.

Locals also bought more than 200 crates of beer in the town's supermarkets.

They suspected that fans going to the "Shield and Sword" (SS) festival would descend on supermarkets, knowing about the alcohol ban, which had been imposed by a Dresden court.

An Ostritz society activist, Georg Salditt, told Germany's popular Bild daily: "The plan was devised a week in advance. We wanted to dry the Nazis out. We thought, if an alcohol ban is coming, we'll empty the shelves at the Penny [supermarket].""

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So, if you don't plan on reading the whole article, in a TLDR this town-Ostritz, Germany-is infamous for Neo-Nazi activity. The locals are fighting against that. They organized this plan and hope to keep any violence that may spur from the event at bay. This is only one of many acts the townsfolk are taking staunchly against these Neo-Nazis. You can see more of their acts here.

So, NSG, what do you think about this issue? Is this town doing the right thing? Do the nazis have a right to their alcohol? Should they just ban the event itself? Should they accept this red tide coming in to choke out their freedoms?

I personally think that it'd be more reasonable to just ban the event and tell them to spread their violent, racist garbage elsewhere, but this shows that these people are willing to not only make sacrifices for the antifascist cause, but they're willing to do whatever they can to smudge these scum out.

Also, please remember to abide site rules. You may be a nazi, but you can be a civil nazi.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Nazis were secularists and against monarchy, I see them more as moderates than far right.

Scum? Can you call people that here?

[Chestaan]

Nazis were secularists and against monarchy, I see them more as moderates than far right.

Scum? Can you call people that here?

There is nothing moderate about Nazism

[The Liberated Territories]

Oh well, so they have to be sober nazis. Pretty sure the actual Nazis were against alcohol and hooliganism anyway.

Nazis were secularists and against monarchy, I see them more as moderates than far right.

Scum? Can you call people that here?

Only nazis. Otherwise it is "All X is Y" Trolling.

[Highever]

Nazis were secularists and against monarchy, I see them more as moderates than far right.

Scum? Can you call people that here?

Fucking Nazism? Moderate? The fuck?

[Al Mumtahanah]

Nazis were secularists and against monarchy, I see them more as moderates than far right.

Scum? Can you call people that here?

There is nothing moderate about Nazism

Genocide was normal policy for the west at that time. Capitalists did it, communists did it, America did it in the Philippines,, westetnizing Turks did it to the Greeks and Armenians.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Nazis were secularists and against monarchy, I see them more as moderates than far right.

Scum? Can you call people that here?

Fucking Nazism? Moderate? The fuck?

Yes the European far right then was in favor of monarchy and against secularism.

[Highever]

There is nothing moderate about Nazism

Genocide was normal policy for the west at that time. Capitalists did it, communists did it, America did it in the Philippines,, westetnizing Turks did it to the Greeks and Armenians.

Systematically murdering millions of people was not fucking standard policy. Way to insultingly dismiss the holocaust by making shit up.

[Great Minarchistan]

Genocide was normal policy for the west at that time. Capitalists did it, communists did it, America did it in the Philippines,, westetnizing Turks did it to the Greeks and Armenians.

Systematically murdering millions of people was not fucking standard policy. Way to insultingly dismiss the holocaust by making shit up.

He is sadly not wrong though, genocide was performed quite a few times in the late 19th to the mid 20th century, such as the Bengali famine and the Belgian Congo atrocities.

[Geneviev]

Hopefully this will prevent violence. I can't believe neo-Nazis are still allowed to do things like this, though.

Nazis were secularists and against monarchy, I see them more as moderates than far right.

Scum? Can you call people that here?

They're definitely not moderates. Genocide is not moderate.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Genocide was normal policy for the west at that time. Capitalists did it, communists did it, America did it in the Philippines,, westetnizing Turks did it to the Greeks and Armenians.

Systematically murdering millions of people was not fucking standard policy. Way to insultingly dismiss the holocaust by making shit up.

It was, Churchill even advocated it as a way to supress India.

[Saiwania]

If anything, its an advantage if the Leftists and Antifa are drunker than the Nazis. The Third Reich was in the process of banning tobacco (but never got this done) and might've moved on to restrict alcohol to the elite of the party.

[Aeritai]

What are Neo-Nazis doing in Germany? I would think the German government would try arresting all of them.

[Great Minarchistan]

Hopefully this will prevent violence. I can't believe neo-Nazis are still allowed to do things like this, though.

Nazis were secularists and against monarchy, I see them more as moderates than far right.

Scum? Can you call people that here?

They're definitely not moderates. Genocide is not moderate.

Moderation being a relative term, you could argue they were no worse than the Belgians or the British which did similar atrocities at roughly the same timespan.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Hopefully this will prevent violence. I can't believe neo-Nazis are still allowed to do things like this, though.

Nazis were secularists and against monarchy, I see them more as moderates than far right.

Scum? Can you call people that here?

They're definitely not moderates. Genocide is not moderate.

The Nazi platform was not genocidal, genocide was an ad hoc course they adopted much later as was common in western imperialism.

[Geneviev]

What are Neo-Nazis doing in Germany? I would think the German government would try arresting all of them.

No, the government isn't going to do that. Technically, they're not allowed Nazi symbols, but the government won't do anything.

[Highever]

Hopefully this will prevent violence. I can't believe neo-Nazis are still allowed to do things like this, though.


They're definitely not moderates. Genocide is not moderate.

The Nazi platform was not genocidal, genocide was an ad hoc course they adopted much later as was common in western imperialism.

The platform based entirely around scapegoating an entire people and systematically persecuting and then exterminating them is not genocidal. In other news, water is apparently not wet.

[Geneviev]

Hopefully this will prevent violence. I can't believe neo-Nazis are still allowed to do things like this, though.


They're definitely not moderates. Genocide is not moderate.

The Nazi platform was not genocidal, genocide was an ad hoc course they adopted much later as was common in western imperialism.

The Nazi platform was based on ideas of racial purity and superiority and extreme anti-Semitism. Genocide was almost inevitable with their ideas, even if they didn't call for genocide at first.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It’s Germany, Nazism is considered anathema there, and if this town wishes to forbid them from drinking at a festival due to safety concerns, I say go ahead.

[Al Mumtahanah]

The Nazi platform was not genocidal, genocide was an ad hoc course they adopted much later as was common in western imperialism.

The platform based entirely around scapegoating an entire people and systematically persecuting and then exterminating them is not genocidal. In other news, water is apparently not wet.

This sort of scapegoating was done to Aftican Americans and immigrant races habitually in American.politics.

[Saiwania]

The platform based entirely around scapegoating an entire people and systematically persecuting and then exterminating them is not genocidal. In other news, water is apparently not wet.

Its simply not true though. Antisemitism was only one core part of the platform as opposed to all of it. Guess what? Antisemitism was popular in most of Europe anyways during early 20th century. There was at least a Madagascar Plan and attempts at mass deportation to alternative countries before what happened happened.

[Aeritai]

What are Neo-Nazis doing in Germany? I would think the German government would try arresting all of them.

No, the government isn't going to do that. Technically, they're not allowed Nazi symbols, but the government won't do anything.

Well that is sad, I hope this ban will be the first step in stomping out neo-nazis across Germany and hopefully the world.

[Highever]

The platform based entirely around scapegoating an entire people and systematically persecuting and then exterminating them is not genocidal. In other news, water is apparently not wet.

This sort of scapegoating was done to Aftican Americans and immigrant races habitually in American.politics.

The fact that other detestable practices and genocides happened does not somehow make the nazis okay or downplay the horrors they perpetrated as you seem to continually want to do.

[Highever]

The platform based entirely around scapegoating an entire people and systematically persecuting and then exterminating them is not genocidal. In other news, water is apparently not wet.

Its simply not true though. Antisemitism was only one core part of the platform as opposed to all of it. Guess what? Antisemitism was popular in most of Europe anyways during early 20th century. There was at least a Madagascar Plan and attempts at mass deportation to alternative countries before what happened that people make too much of a big deal out of.

Which part isnt true? That Nazism was not built around racial superiority and persecution of inferior races or that systemically persecuting those they considered inferior and later exterminating them is not genocide?

[Great Minarchistan]

This sort of scapegoating was done to Aftican Americans and immigrant races habitually in American.politics.

The fact that other detestable practices and genocides happened does not somehow make the nazis okay or downplay the horrors they perpetrated as you seem to continually want to do.

The point which started this argument was about whether Nazis could or couldn't be considered moderate. Given that moderation is a relative term, you can perfectly argue that they were moderate since other countries (mainly colonial powers like Britain and Belgium) perpetrated similar atrocities within the same historical context.