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Postby Heloin » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:55 am

Agarntrop wrote:I probably wouldn't rule out visiting any country on ethical reasons alone, but many I would boycott for my own safety. These are:
  • Afghanistan
  • Burkina Faso
  • Burundi
  • Côte d'Ivoire
  • Cameroon
  • Central African Republic
  • Chad
  • Congo (Congo-Brazzaville)
  • Democratic Republic of the Congo
  • Equatorial Guinea
  • Eritrea
  • eSwatini
  • Ethiopia
  • Gambia
  • Gaza Strip
  • Guinea
  • Guinea-Bissau
  • Haiti
  • Honduras
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Kyrgyzstan
  • Laos
  • Liberia
  • Libya
  • Madagascar
  • Malawi
  • Mali
  • Mauritania
  • Mozambique
  • Myanmar
  • Nicaragua
  • Niger
  • Most of Nigeria
  • North Korea
  • Sierra Leone
  • Somalia
  • South Sudan
  • Sudan
  • Syria
  • Tajikistan
  • Tanzania
  • Timor-Leste
  • Togo
  • Turkmenistan
  • Uganda
  • Uzbekistan
  • Venezuela
  • Yemen
  • Zambia
  • Zimbabwe


May I add this is in their current state, 20 years on this list could be completely different.

A not insignificant chunk of those countries are more than significantly safe for a tourist so long as you're not an idiot. Like I have no idea what Zambia, Malawi, and the Gambia are doing on that list of yours.

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Bluelight-R006 wrote:If we stay there for 2 days, 1 night, we’re likely to survive anyway. We could be overthinking this. Just abide by the laws and not do any extra action, like dancing or taking photos and videos.

We should not go to any country that is facing government corruption, or under active war.

So, you're not planning to travel anywhere, then? ;)

Only places with no corruption silly. Like Jan Mayen or Inaccessible Island.

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Postby Geneviev » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:01 am

Bluelight-R006 wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Knowing myself, that would probably make me go.

If we stay there for 2 days, 1 night, we’re likely to survive anyway. We could be overthinking this. Just abide by the laws and not do any extra action, like dancing or taking photos and videos.

We should not go to any country that is facing government corruption, or under active war.

We should just not go anywhere where tourists die.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:06 am

Geneviev wrote:
Bluelight-R006 wrote:If we stay there for 2 days, 1 night, we’re likely to survive anyway. We could be overthinking this. Just abide by the laws and not do any extra action, like dancing or taking photos and videos.

We should not go to any country that is facing government corruption, or under active war.

We should just not go anywhere where tourists die.

You mean everywhere?

Actually, I’m fine staying at home. Just bring me some McDonalds and we can hangout.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:06 am

Places I won’t travel to: most of Africa except Egypt, Rwanda, Congo and South Africa. I won’t travel to Venezuela, for safety reasons. North Korea obviously. The Middle East (including Israel) and Afghanistan are some of the other places I won’t go to. I’ve been to Mexico, but under the current climate, I won’t travel there either, even though I’d love to return to visit places like Oaxaca and Orizaba.
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:10 am

Bluelight-R006 wrote:
Geneviev wrote:We should just not go anywhere where tourists die.

You mean everywhere?

Actually, I’m fine staying at home. Just bring me some McDonalds and we can hangout.

That's the best way to do things, honestly.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:17 am

Geneviev wrote:
Bluelight-R006 wrote:You mean everywhere?

Actually, I’m fine staying at home. Just bring me some McDonalds and we can hangout.

That's the best way to do things, honestly.

I just hope I don’t get stupid ideas :P

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:20 am

Bluelight-R006 wrote:
Geneviev wrote:That's the best way to do things, honestly.

I just hope I don’t get stupid ideas :P


I don’t know where you live but your country more than likely has a website for traveling in which it updates on advisories about places they don’t advise citizens to go due to turmoil, epidemic, political concerns, war and a host of other problems. It’s just a matter of checking that prior to making travel plans and before leaving.
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:21 am

Bluelight-R006 wrote:
Geneviev wrote:That's the best way to do things, honestly.

I just hope I don’t get stupid ideas :P

Stupid ideas are part of being human. :lol2:
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:34 am

I would like to boycott Israel, but currently cannot (deal with a lot of Jews at work, it'd be office suicide).
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:37 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Bluelight-R006 wrote:I just hope I don’t get stupid ideas :P


I don’t know where you live but your country more than likely has a website for traveling in which it updates on advisories about places they don’t advise citizens to go due to turmoil, epidemic, political concerns, war and a host of other problems. It’s just a matter of checking that prior to making travel plans and before leaving.

Yes but my stupid self will likely say, “Take the chance,” and go off to where I’m not supposed to go.

Geneviev wrote:
Bluelight-R006 wrote:I just hope I don’t get stupid ideas :P

Stupid ideas are part of being human. :lol2:

Sadly.

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Postby Nakena » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:41 am

I have been in a lot of bad countries and places most other people wouldn like to visit but a few places i'd rather avoid.

Among them are North Korea and some arab gulf states (Saudi-Arabia) which are both known to arbitarily arrest and fuck with people.
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Postby Page » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:46 am

There are countries I would never go to, but it's more so for me about self-preservation than ethics. North Korea, Iran, I'd end up falsely accused of spying and locked up for a political game. Yemen, Somalia, DR Congo, don't want to die.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:54 am

Bluelight-R006 wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I don’t know where you live but your country more than likely has a website for traveling in which it updates on advisories about places they don’t advise citizens to go due to turmoil, epidemic, political concerns, war and a host of other problems. It’s just a matter of checking that prior to making travel plans and before leaving.

Yes but my stupid self will likely say, “Take the chance,” and go off to where I’m not supposed to go.

Geneviev wrote:Stupid ideas are part of being human. :lol2:

Sadly.


Have you considered a straight jacket then? And some sturdy chains? Avoid made in China.
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Postby Crockerland » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:56 am

I would not travel to any country where it's illegal to be gay (Iran, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Mauritania, etc.) for obvious reasons, nor any dangerous third-world nation such as North Korea, the Central African Republic, or California.

Rezmaeristan wrote:The UK. Not sure I want to go a country where you need a loicense for a knife, and where you'll get arrested for defending against armed burglars.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... stice.html

While the prospect of the police arresting YOU if you get attacked by a criminal is certainly quite a strong reason not to visit a country, I notice most of these stories are about someone being arrested and then they never follow up with if they're actually charged with anything or not. If you get in a violent confrontation with someone where somebody ends up hacked apart, the police are probably not doing their jobs right if they just assume he was a burglar and let you go; Anyone could invite someone they don't like into their home, kill them, and then smash their windows and claim they were defending themselves.

In this particular story, Nigel Stringer claims he saw someone banging on his door wielding a handgun, so he decided to open the door and attack him with a hockey stick (doesn't make much sense if he had a gun?). It seems the only actual evidence that the people in front of his house had weapons was one knife he found months after the event happened. If they actually had weapons would the police not have arrested them too?

I think articles like this, where no side is given other than the claims of mister Stringer, are probably why people don't trust the Daily Mail. Why weren't the policemen involved interviewed?

I looked into other cases where people defended their lives against attackers
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-20398432
  • Vincent Cooke - Stabbed a knife-wielding burglar, Raymond Jacob, to death, arrested but not charged
  • Peter Flanagan - Balaclava-wearing home invaders broke into Peter's home and he stabbed one, he was arrested but not charged
  • Cecil Colley - Four armed men broke into mister Colley's florist shop and he killed one of them, he was not charged

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5978681/richard-osborn-brooks-pensioner-burglar-killed-hither-green/
Richard Osborne Brooks was reported as the "78 year old pensioner who was arrested for stabbing a burglar" or something to that effect, but despite being arrested, he was released without charge. It is worth noting that some sick freaks put up a memorial to the villain that Brooks heroically defended himself against (though good Samaritans destroyed the memorial twice) and have sent death threats to Brooks multiple times, but as far as the law goes, the victim faced no criminal charges for protecting his life.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:57 am

Crockerland wrote:I would not travel to any country where it's illegal to be gay (Iran, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Mauritania, etc.) for obvious reasons, nor any dangerous third-world nation such as North Korea, the Central African Republic, or California.

Rezmaeristan wrote:The UK. Not sure I want to go a country where you need a loicense for a knife, and where you'll get arrested for defending against armed burglars.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... stice.html

While the prospect of the police arresting YOU if you get attacked by a criminal is certainly quite a strong reason not to visit a country, I notice most of these stories are about someone being arrested and then they never follow up with if they're actually charged with anything or not. If you get in a violent confrontation with someone where somebody ends up hacked apart, the police are probably not doing their jobs right if they just assume he was a burglar and let you go; Anyone could invite someone they don't like into their home, kill them, and then smash their windows and claim they were defending themselves.

In this particular story, Nigel Stringer claims he saw someone banging on his door wielding a handgun, so he decided to open the door and attack him with a hockey stick (doesn't make much sense if he had a gun?). It seems the only actual evidence that the people in front of his house had weapons was one knife he found months after the event happened. If they actually had weapons would the police not have arrested them too?

I think this article, where no side is given other than the claims of mister Stringer, are probably why people don't trust the Daily Mail. Why weren't the policemen involved interviewed?

I looked into other cases where people defended their lives against attackers
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-20398432
  • Vincent Cooke - Stabbed a knife-wielding burglar, Raymond Jacob, to death, arrested but not charged
  • Peter Flanagan - Balaclava-wearing home invaders broke into Peter's home and he stabbed one, he was arrested but not charged
  • Cecil Colley - Four armed men broke into mister Colley's florist shop and he killed one of them, he was not charged

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5978681/richard-osborn-brooks-pensioner-burglar-killed-hither-green/
Richard Osborne Brooks was reported as the "78 year old pensioner who was arrested for stabbing a burglar" or something to that effect, but despite being arrested, he was released without charge. It is worth noting that some sick freaks put up a memorial to the villain that Brooks heroically defended himself against (though good Samaritans destroyed the memorial twice) and have sent death threats to Brooks multiple times, but as far as the law goes, the victim faced no criminal charges for protecting his life.

Its not enforced much in the UAE. Why is California on your list?
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:27 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Bluelight-R006 wrote:Yes but my stupid self will likely say, “Take the chance,” and go off to where I’m not supposed to go.


Sadly.


Have you considered a straight jacket then? And some sturdy chains? Avoid made in China.

Honestly, I’d go to China but my addiction to buying souvenirs wherever I go makes me want to buy their cheap products. So it’s a straight-up confusion and struggle between, “Should I buy?” Or “Should I not buy?”

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:34 pm

Agarntrop wrote:I probably wouldn't rule out visiting any country on ethical reasons alone, but many I would boycott for my own safety. These are:
  • Afghanistan
  • Burkina Faso
  • Burundi
  • Côte d'Ivoire
  • Cameroon
  • Central African Republic
  • Chad
  • Congo (Congo-Brazzaville)
  • Democratic Republic of the Congo
  • Equatorial Guinea
  • Eritrea
  • eSwatini
  • Ethiopia
  • Gambia
  • Gaza Strip
  • Guinea
  • Guinea-Bissau
  • Haiti
  • Honduras
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Kyrgyzstan
  • Laos
  • Liberia
  • Libya
  • Madagascar
  • Malawi
  • Mali
  • Mauritania
  • Mozambique
  • Myanmar
  • Nicaragua
  • Niger
  • Most of Nigeria
  • North Korea
  • Sierra Leone
  • Somalia
  • South Sudan
  • Sudan
  • Syria
  • Tajikistan
  • Tanzania
  • Timor-Leste
  • Togo
  • Turkmenistan
  • Uganda
  • Uzbekistan
  • Venezuela
  • Yemen
  • Zambia
  • Zimbabwe

May I add this is in their current state, 20 years on this list could be completely different.

Nicaragua is actually a very nice place I would definitely take another trip there
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:38 pm

I wouldn’t visit the Middle East, Russia, Iran, NK, China or Afghanistan (again)
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:38 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Crockerland wrote:I would not travel to any country where it's illegal to be gay (Iran, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Mauritania, etc.) for obvious reasons, nor any dangerous third-world nation such as North Korea, the Central African Republic, or California.


While the prospect of the police arresting YOU if you get attacked by a criminal is certainly quite a strong reason not to visit a country, I notice most of these stories are about someone being arrested and then they never follow up with if they're actually charged with anything or not. If you get in a violent confrontation with someone where somebody ends up hacked apart, the police are probably not doing their jobs right if they just assume he was a burglar and let you go; Anyone could invite someone they don't like into their home, kill them, and then smash their windows and claim they were defending themselves.

In this particular story, Nigel Stringer claims he saw someone banging on his door wielding a handgun, so he decided to open the door and attack him with a hockey stick (doesn't make much sense if he had a gun?). It seems the only actual evidence that the people in front of his house had weapons was one knife he found months after the event happened. If they actually had weapons would the police not have arrested them too?

I think this article, where no side is given other than the claims of mister Stringer, are probably why people don't trust the Daily Mail. Why weren't the policemen involved interviewed?

I looked into other cases where people defended their lives against attackers
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-20398432
  • Vincent Cooke - Stabbed a knife-wielding burglar, Raymond Jacob, to death, arrested but not charged
  • Peter Flanagan - Balaclava-wearing home invaders broke into Peter's home and he stabbed one, he was arrested but not charged
  • Cecil Colley - Four armed men broke into mister Colley's florist shop and he killed one of them, he was not charged

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5978681/richard-osborn-brooks-pensioner-burglar-killed-hither-green/
Richard Osborne Brooks was reported as the "78 year old pensioner who was arrested for stabbing a burglar" or something to that effect, but despite being arrested, he was released without charge. It is worth noting that some sick freaks put up a memorial to the villain that Brooks heroically defended himself against (though good Samaritans destroyed the memorial twice) and have sent death threats to Brooks multiple times, but as far as the law goes, the victim faced no criminal charges for protecting his life.

Its not enforced much in the UAE. Why is California on your list?

It’s not that hard to figure out why
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:40 pm

I think the only 'country' I wouldn't visit is Israel.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:02 pm

Bluelight-R006 wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Have you considered a straight jacket then? And some sturdy chains? Avoid made in China.

Honestly, I’d go to China but my addiction to buying souvenirs wherever I go makes me want to buy their cheap products. So it’s a straight-up confusion and struggle between, “Should I buy?” Or “Should I not buy?”


I was really just making fun at how shitty Chinese made chains are. That’s all.
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I REFUSE to fly planes, because of all the bullshit I have to go through. Even after I go through all of THAT, if the plane crashes, I'm dead meat on a stick.

I also REFUSE to go to Muslim Countries, and soon-to-be-Muslim countries. You'll never know what the Saudi government has up their sleeves.
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Postby South World » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:11 pm

I am 65 years old and don’t see myself doing much international travel anymore. I have traveled over much of Europe in the past. I would love to visit Russia and Australia. Other than that, I would not boycott a country for its political policies but would avoid countries with civil unrest and violence toward tourists.
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Postby East African Unitary State » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:11 pm

Depend on safety for me tbh. Sure, I'm probably supporting regimes that I disagree or dislike with, but at the same time I'm also supporting local people livelihood, who's really likely have nothing to do with their ruling government, so that's that.

Also, I'm not gonna give up my chance to see more of earth just because I didn't like the government of that particular plot of land.
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