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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:51 pm

United Pishon Edenic Union wrote:
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As for actual Satanist, what do you believe is part of there religion ? Qoute me if I am wrong , but isn't the Church of Satan the biggest group of Satanists around ? Who do you consider the "real" Satanists ?


actually, RationalWiki says that " Laveyan Satanis is an ATHEISTIC RELIGION, whose cheif orgaanization, the Church of Satan was founded by Anton Lavey in 1960s San Francisco. Tey all but admit that they chose to call their beleif system "Satanism" to annoy Christians"


What you all need is Theistic Satanism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_Satanism

Makes Satan a sort of Prometheus figure.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:53 pm

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Kowani wrote:Congratulations on mixing up actual Satanism with the Church of Satan. Don’t worry, it’s an easy mistake to make.


As for actual Satanist, what do you believe is part of there religion ? Qoute me if I am wrong , but isn't the Church of Satan the biggest group of Satanists around ? Who do you consider the "real" Satanists ?


The CoS is the largest and the first. TST is a different group.
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:27 am

I wonder if they wrote the invocation down, that would be interesting just to read how it would go.

As for them not being allowed to, it makes sense I guess that it's usually only a tradition for a council member to do the invocation, but at the same time, it's pretty discriminatory and narrow-minded to not at least listen to their request and have a member of the Church come up, say some nice thank yous and acknowledgements, and do their thing.

Woulda been a fun, nice thing.
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Postby Grater Tovakia » Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:30 am

Neanderthaland wrote:Boston can go to hell.

I see what you did there
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Postby Teachian » Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:44 am

United Pishon Edenic Union wrote: actually, RationalWiki says that " Laveyan Satanis is an ATHEISTIC RELIGION, whose cheif orgaanization, the Church of Satan was founded by Anton Lavey in 1960s San Francisco. Tey all but admit that they chose to call their beleif system "Satanism" to annoy Christians"


I consider (modern) Satanism nowadays to be a sort of “opposition” religion. People don’t actually believe it, but they build on Satanism’s reputation as a boogeyman to the mainstream religion (Christianity) to embody a sort of opposition. And they use their technical status as a religion to usually bring attention to or make fun of practices such as invocations, in this case.

Wouldn’t even know where to start looking, but there was a case similar to this in the past where they actually let a Satanist give an invocation and it ended up just being a very Humanist speech. And then there’s stuff like this: https://www.npr.org/2018/08/17/63972647 ... ded-statue
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:02 am

Teachian wrote:
United Pishon Edenic Union wrote: actually, RationalWiki says that " Laveyan Satanis is an ATHEISTIC RELIGION, whose cheif orgaanization, the Church of Satan was founded by Anton Lavey in 1960s San Francisco. Tey all but admit that they chose to call their beleif system "Satanism" to annoy Christians"


I consider (modern) Satanism nowadays to be a sort of “opposition” religion. People don’t actually believe it, but they build on Satanism’s reputation as a boogeyman to the mainstream religion (Christianity) to embody a sort of opposition. And they use their technical status as a religion to usually bring attention to or make fun of practices such as invocations, in this case.

Wouldn’t even know where to start looking, but there was a case similar to this in the past where they actually let a Satanist give an invocation and it ended up just being a very Humanist speech. And then there’s stuff like this: https://www.npr.org/2018/08/17/63972647 ... ded-statue


It's a bad-ass statue, what's the big deal, exactly?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:05 am

Neanderthaland wrote:Boston can go to hell.


That's impossible.

Something cannot go to itself.

Boston is hell.
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Postby United Pishon Edenic Union » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:15 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Boston can go to hell.


That's impossible.

Something cannot go to itself.

Boston is hell.
Actually, where you exist can be"'Hell'.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:27 pm

United Pishon Edenic Union wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
That's impossible.

Something cannot go to itself.

Boston is hell.
Actually, where you exist can be"'Hell'.

True, but only if you live in Norway.

Or Michigan.
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Postby Highever » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:28 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
United Pishon Edenic Union wrote: Actually, where you exist can be"'Hell'.

True, but only if you live in Norway.

Or Michigan.

Missouri fits the bill as well.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:37 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Boston can go to hell.


That's impossible.

Something cannot go to itself.

Boston is hell.

Their eternal damnation is to navigate the Boston street network.
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