The Male Pill

[The New California Republic]

Prediction:

1. Courts basically openly punishing men for not having the gel now it exists in order to extort them for child support to benefit women some more (YOU HAD SEX THO SO STFU. Becomes "ITS SO EASY TO USE GEL, YOUR FAULT.")

Can medical records of either partner be accessed in child support cases? As I assume the gel will be prescribed by a doctor etc.

2. It becomes incredibly widespread and some men basically refuse to come off it

Less unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Problem?

3. More cases like the Indian one as men inevitably become controllers over reproduction.

Women have their own well-established birth control measures, so I don't see the issue. And they have the ultimate veto in the form of an abortion.

[Cekoviu]

Tbf the pill is not a replacement for the condom either. The condom remains the safest contraception for initial voluntary encounters.

And if it's a Tinder hookup....

It doesn't seem that that would be more effective at birth control than a regular condom, but it's an interesting idea.

[Fartsniffage]

And if it's a Tinder hookup....

It doesn't seem that that would be more effective at birth control than a regular condom, but it's an interesting idea.

But herpes is very much a thing.

[The New California Republic]

It doesn't seem that that would be more effective at birth control than a regular condom, but it's an interesting idea.

But herpes is very much a thing.

Does it include a hood and mask? Otherwise it will not protect against oral herpes.

[Cekoviu]

It doesn't seem that that would be more effective at birth control than a regular condom, but it's an interesting idea.

But herpes is very much a thing.

Aha, clever. Maybe overkill, tho.

[Cekoviu]

But herpes is very much a thing.

Does it include a hood and mask? Otherwise it will not protect against oral herpes.

Not kinky enough, there needs to be a latex scythe at minimum.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

This is great step. Both men and women should be able to take full control of their reproduction.

[Kaztropol]

*image*

I'm sure there are reasons why that exists. But I'm not sure I want to know them.

[Heloin]

Does it include a hood and mask? Otherwise it will not protect against oral herpes.

Not kinky enough, there needs to be a latex scythe at minimum.

[Ostroeuropa]

Prediction:

1. Courts basically openly punishing men for not having the gel now it exists in order to extort them for child support to benefit women some more (YOU HAD SEX THO SO STFU. Becomes "ITS SO EASY TO USE GEL, YOUR FAULT.")

Can medical records of either partner be accessed in child support cases? As I assume the gel will be prescribed by a doctor etc.

2. It becomes incredibly widespread and some men basically refuse to come off it

Less unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Problem?

3. More cases like the Indian one as men inevitably become controllers over reproduction.

Women have their own well-established birth control measures, so I don't see the issue. And they have the ultimate veto in the form of an abortion.

1. The point is that if men have an unwanted child they'll be held accountable anyway, even more so now.

2. No, not a problem for men certainly.

3. Right... the problem is they're not used to having that control taken away from them, and moreover, the presence of abortion means they don't have an incentive to retain a total lockdown on fertility since they are not punished for it routinely and held completely accountable. Men meanwhile, given the opportunity to realize that they now control fertility and have way, way, way less reason to have a kid, are going to be ambivalent about it. Women will want kids more than men do as a result of extremely lopsided social and legal environment disincentivizing men, and wont be able to get them.

[Cekoviu]

Not kinky enough, there needs to be a latex scythe at minimum.

Hot.
Literally, I'm guessing.

[Galloism]

Well, it's a gel (supplement is a weird turn of phrase here), but to the point they can if it passes clinical trials. Which will allow men to go out and be themselves and not worry that if they pass out they'll wake up with an unwanted child they can do nothing about.

Given the disproportionate treatment they get in this regard, it's a really really good caution.

Prediction:

1. Courts basically openly punishing men for not having the gel now it exists in order to extort them for child support to benefit women some more (YOU HAD SEX THO SO STFU. Becomes "ITS SO EASY TO USE GEL, YOUR FAULT.")

2. It becomes incredibly widespread and some men basically refuse to come off it

3. More cases like the Indian one as men inevitably become controllers over reproduction.

4. Zero self-awareness from most women who throw tantrums in their spaces about how evil men are for having heightened levels of control after being punished over and over for not controlling it well enough.

1. I don't see how the excuse used matters overmuch. They're landing at the same reaction.

2. I mean, that's their right. There's nothing wrong from an individual rights standpoint.

3. That's a disturbing possibility, but I think, at least in the west, enough people will cry foul to put the kibash on that. I think.

4. I hesitate to say "all" "most" or even "many". I have no idea how many women will throw tantrums. It's almost certainly a number north of zero, but "most" is >50%, and I think that's extreme. I do think there will be a lot of tantrums in certain spaces over not having the control, we've already seen in articles like this one where the writer basically admits to being a sociopath.

And there can be nothing more intimate regarding that than a woman’s fertility, and I am sceptical whether lots of us will want to let go of our responsibility for it.

Or, to put it bluntly, if highly effective, side-effect and rubber-free male contraception becomes universal, it could mark the end of the very common phenomenon of the not-entirely-accidental-surprise-baby and the one-bottle- of-wine-too-many-baby which happens to the most sensible of couples.

Because, let’s face it, if all women had to wait for men to feel broody (and for this to coincide with his jab wearing off), the birth rate would drop like a stone.

However, in the same article...

Or as Professor Richard Anderson of the University of Edinburgh says: ‘When we carried out surveys of women, they were enormously enthusiastic.

‘The single most common reason was that they wanted to share the responsibility for contraception.’

So I question your "most".

[Fartsniffage]

Can medical records of either partner be accessed in child support cases? As I assume the gel will be prescribed by a doctor etc.


Less unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Problem?


Women have their own well-established birth control measures, so I don't see the issue. And they have the ultimate veto in the form of an abortion.

1. The point is that if men have an unwanted child they'll be held accountable anyway, even more so now.

2. No, not a problem for men certainly.

3. Right... the problem is they're not used to having that control taken away from them, and moreover, the presence of abortion means they don't have an incentive to retain a total lockdown on fertility since they are not punished for it routinely and held completely accountable.

Do you just try to find the cloud in every silver lining?

[Ethel mermania]

1. The point is that if men have an unwanted child they'll be held accountable anyway, even more so now.

2. No, not a problem for men certainly.

3. Right... the problem is they're not used to having that control taken away from them, and moreover, the presence of abortion means they don't have an incentive to retain a total lockdown on fertility since they are not punished for it routinely and held completely accountable.

Do you just try to find the cloud in every silver lining?

Welcome to nationstates.

[Fartsniffage]

Hot.
Literally, I'm guessing.

NBC kit is hell to work in. Even if it's cold you overheat and sweat starts filling up the gas mask. A jog in warm weather means you're up to your eyes in a mile or so.

[Risottia]

I hope one day we find a way to remove the need for condoms altogether and can bareback who ever whenever. ladies and gents, history is being made

Herpes.
Hepatitis.

[Galloism]

I hope one day we find a way to remove the need for condoms altogether and can bareback who ever whenever. ladies and gents, history is being made

Herpes.
Hepatitis.

HIV.

Also, it'd be nice if science could find the cure for these things.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Herpes.
Hepatitis.

HIV.

Also, it'd be nice if science could find the cure for these things.

Get the fuck out of my head.

[Ethel mermania]

For couples in a long term relationship, this is a positive thing.

[Fartsniffage]

Herpes.
Hepatitis.

HIV.

Also, it'd be nice if science could find the cure for these things.

It will. Science is awesome that way.

[Ostroeuropa]

1. The point is that if men have an unwanted child they'll be held accountable anyway, even more so now.

2. No, not a problem for men certainly.

3. Right... the problem is they're not used to having that control taken away from them, and moreover, the presence of abortion means they don't have an incentive to retain a total lockdown on fertility since they are not punished for it routinely and held completely accountable.

Do you just try to find the cloud in every silver lining?

It's a positive step, i'm merely noting the next ones.

[Ethel mermania]

HIV.

Also, it'd be nice if science could find the cure for these things.

It will. Science is awesome that way.

And then mother nature will gin something else up. We cant keep winning. The planet is relentless, we would rather argue about why no one can get a date on a Thursday night.

[Kaztropol]

It will. Science is awesome that way.

And then mother nature will gin something else up. We cant keep winning. The planet is relentless, we would rather argue about why no one can get a date on a Thursday night.

Oh that's easy. People still have to go to work on Friday, and don't get paid till then either.

[Ethel mermania]

I hope one day we find a way to remove the need for condoms altogether and can bareback who ever whenever. ladies and gents, history is being made

Herpes.
Hepatitis.

Gingivitis

[Ostroeuropa]

Prediction:

1. Courts basically openly punishing men for not having the gel now it exists in order to extort them for child support to benefit women some more (YOU HAD SEX THO SO STFU. Becomes "ITS SO EASY TO USE GEL, YOUR FAULT.")

2. It becomes incredibly widespread and some men basically refuse to come off it

3. More cases like the Indian one as men inevitably become controllers over reproduction.

4. Zero self-awareness from most women who throw tantrums in their spaces about how evil men are for having heightened levels of control after being punished over and over for not controlling it well enough.

1. I don't see how the excuse used matters overmuch. They're landing at the same reaction.

2. I mean, that's their right. There's nothing wrong from an individual rights standpoint.

3. That's a disturbing possibility, but I think, at least in the west, enough people will cry foul to put the kibash on that. I think.

4. I hesitate to say "all" "most" or even "many". I have no idea how many women will throw tantrums. It's almost certainly a number north of zero, but "most" is >50%, and I think that's extreme. I do think there will be a lot of tantrums in certain spaces over not having the control, we've already seen in articles like this one where the writer basically admits to being a sociopath.

And there can be nothing more intimate regarding that than a woman’s fertility, and I am sceptical whether lots of us will want to let go of our responsibility for it.

Or, to put it bluntly, if highly effective, side-effect and rubber-free male contraception becomes universal, it could mark the end of the very common phenomenon of the not-entirely-accidental-surprise-baby and the one-bottle- of-wine-too-many-baby which happens to the most sensible of couples.

Because, let’s face it, if all women had to wait for men to feel broody (and for this to coincide with his jab wearing off), the birth rate would drop like a stone.

However, in the same article...

Or as Professor Richard Anderson of the University of Edinburgh says: ‘When we carried out surveys of women, they were enormously enthusiastic.

‘The single most common reason was that they wanted to share the responsibility for contraception.’

So I question your "most".

I think you're being too charitable there. Sharing the burden of contraception is the point there, but there's zero recognition of the power it affords, and that will be a rude awakening for some of them.