The Male Pill

[Cannot think of a name]

I'm into it. I don't know that any partner I've had would trust me with that, but I absolutely would like a back up. If I was in a sexually active relationship I'd take it even if she'd still want me to wear a condom 'just in case'. I'm all about 'just in case.'

Also, man...how do you get people to roll the dice on that test? Do you find couples who like only kinda don't want kids? "We don't want children but we'll deal with it if it happens..."

I have trusted partners in the past with their taking the pill, I would hope partners in the future would trust me with it.

There is a non-insignificant chance there's a half me out in the world right now I don't know about. There was a girlfriend who may have been more into having a kid than she let on who gave me a scenario for an unplanned pregnancy that just so happened to match our break up almost perfectly.

But mostly the partner is as into not getting pregnant as I am and would be nervous that I didn't take the pill properly. Though I'm not exactly the kind to inspire trust that I'm taking care of things. This, I would. I tooootally would. But I wouldn't get mad if she also wanted me to suit up, so to speak. We're in this not getting pregnant thing together.

And as best as I can see, they would be couples who really want to make this a thing and accept that abortions are super easy in the UK. I imagine the test would be a lot harder to get volunteers for in the US.

Much.

[Galloism]

Would this make sex with a partner who has cheated on you rape though?

Their monogamousness is arguably relevant to their sexual health and the monogamy is usually a prerequisite for condomless sex.

An interesting question. I would say that if they know about an STI then yes, if not then no. If they don't know about it then they're not withholding anything.

There's also a question of lies of omission vs lies of commission.

After all, if a partner is HIV positive, and does not disclose, we generally consider that some form of assault, even if they didn't lie about the HIV - just omitted it.

Conversely, we probably wouldn't consider it to be assault if a man just didn't put on a condom (presuming darkness), even if in every other act he's always used a condom, if he didn't actually lie about not wearing a condom and no one talked about it. Because he didn't actually lie about it.

I mean, where we draw the line on what vitiates consent is certainly not an easy discussion, but it's one worth having.


However, we can all celebrate the male pill gel! For the first time in history, men might have control over their reproduction.

[The South Falls]

I say STD test before sex. Or at least provide records of a recent one.

That would only work if people actually and consistently asked for such. If you’re at a club, in the heat of the moment and go somewhere to have sex, asking for a detailed summary of past sex partners and a bill of health is probably not on your mind.

No, you still ask for records. And if they don't produce them, perform a citizen's arrest. That's so hot, right?

I think its time for tech to develop a skin-fitting condom, almost like tailored suits.

You want a man to measure your willy using a tape measure and chalk?

Send in measurements, no wack shit. I mean, unless you're into it, I guess.

[The South Falls]

I think its time for tech to develop a skin-fitting condom, almost like tailored suits.

You know, there are condoms that fit in ways and are made of materials that help with more feeling while still protecting the guy and the woman.

That's pretty good. Advances must be made, however, in the name of science!


Nah but now you've got me thinking about a sand-paper condom, and I'd take the pill inserted rectally than that.

[Ethel mermania]

Most violent crime contrary to popular belief is way down over the past 20 years. You can't live your life with that kind of fear.

" When I go out in the morning, I am going to put some gel on my scrotum just incase I get raped today".

You don't need to use birth control in fear when you go out to work. But it'll be extremely useful if your partner is abusive or if you're going to a sleazy bar.

If your partner is abusive, you have bigger problems then sex, you need to get out of it.

If I am going to a bar to get laid, yeah it does make sense to use it, it's the point.

But we are talking about fear of rape.

[Cannot think of a name]

However, we can all celebrate the male pill gel! For the first time in history, men might have control over their reproduction.

Well, we've always had condoms. My only complaint with those is they hurt to roll on. (I'm not lowkey bragging about size, even if it fits properly it's going to start off narrower.)

[The South Falls]

You don't need to use birth control in fear when you go out to work. But it'll be extremely useful if your partner is abusive or if you're going to a sleazy bar.

If your partner is abusive, you have bigger problems then sex, you need to get out of it.

If I am going to a bar to get laid, yeah it does make sense to use it, it's the point.

But we are talking about fear of rape.

While you're in the relationship, you are subject to the other person's abuse in any facet.

[WayNeacTia]

The 2nd Amendment types must love you.

Fart,

The whole point of the second amendment is for the people to be able to insurect against the federal government. While some may argue that the civil war mooted the founders intent. NOT I. If the feds can have a nuclear tipped ICBM, i should be able to do so as well. Now I admit it's not a popular opinion, but here we are.

Are you afraid to go out because a bad thing is going to happen to you?

So by that argument, the feds have what? 75000 sworn federal agents? A million man army? Do you believe you have the right to all of that as well? I would be far more worried about those things than ICBMs that probably wouldn't detonate anyway as they are so old. I understand the point you are trying to get at, but one would think that rationality would take precedence. I suppose I might me mistaken though.

Touche. As far as I am concerned if someone gives consent, then they are a willing participant. As soon as consent is withdrawn, it becomes rape. We really don't need any more ambiguity on this, otherwise human reproduction will cease.

Informed, valid consent. There’s a difference.

Valid informed consent huh? So if my wife claims that she took her pill, and she gets pregnant, due to the fact she forgot to take them (I know it doesn't work like that), then I can charge her with rape? I am almost 1000% certain every judge, let alone the police and the crown would throw that out and laugh me out of the courthouse. The solution here is pretty simple, if you don't know the person, or implicitly trust them, either use barrier protection or refrain. Responsibility is a two way street.

[Fartsniffage]

However, we can all celebrate the male pill gel! For the first time in history, men might have control over their reproduction.

Well, we've always had condoms. My only complaint with those is they hurt to roll on. (I'm not lowkey bragging about size, even if it fits properly it's going to start off narrower.)

[Cekoviu]

You don't need to use birth control in fear when you go out to work. But it'll be extremely useful if your partner is abusive or if you're going to a sleazy bar.

If your partner is abusive, you have bigger problems then sex, you need to get out of it.

If I am going to a bar to get laid, yeah it does make sense to use it, it's the point.

But we are talking about fear of rape.

It would be great if it were that easy to leave an abusive partner.

[Ethel mermania]

Fart,

The whole point of the second amendment is for the people to be able to insurect against the federal government. While some may argue that the civil war mooted the founders intent. NOT I. If the feds can have a nuclear tipped ICBM, i should be able to do so as well. Now I admit it's not a popular opinion, but here we are.

Are you afraid to go out because a bad thing is going to happen to you?

…Recreational Nukes are a terrible idea, and completely unworkable.

But dig the groovy orange cloud.

[Galloism]

However, we can all celebrate the male pill gel! For the first time in history, men might have control over their reproduction.

Well, we've always had condoms. My only complaint with those is they hurt to roll on. (I'm not lowkey bragging about size, even if it fits properly it's going to start off narrower.)

That's not really reproductive control, though.

[Kowani]

Fart,

The whole point of the second amendment is for the people to be able to insurect against the federal government. While some may argue that the civil war mooted the founders intent. NOT I. If the feds can have a nuclear tipped ICBM, i should be able to do so as well. Now I admit it's not a popular opinion, but here we are.

Are you afraid to go out because a bad thing is going to happen to you?

So by that argument, the feds have what? 75000 sworn federal agents? A million man army? Do you believe you have the right to all of that as well? I would be far more worried about those things than ICBMs that probably wouldn't detonate anyway as they are so old. I understand the point you are trying to get at, but one would think that rationality would take precedence. I suppose I might me mistaken though.

Informed, valid consent. There’s a difference.

Valid informed consent huh? So if my wife claims that she took her pill, and she gets pregnant, due to the fact she forgot to take them (I know it doesn't work like that), then I can charge her with rape? I am almost 1000% certain every judge, let alone the police and the crown would throw that out and laugh me out of the courthouse. The solution here is pretty simple, if you don't know the person, or implicitly trust them, either use barrier protection or refrain. Responsibility is a two way street.

Actually, that’s not what I was talking about at all. Rather, drunk people, those on drugs, etc.

And, in the case of valid consent-children.

[Chan Island]

Hopefully this works. Would be really good news if it did.

[Ethel mermania]

If your partner is abusive, you have bigger problems then sex, you need to get out of it.

If I am going to a bar to get laid, yeah it does make sense to use it, it's the point.

But we are talking about fear of rape.

While you're in the relationship, you are subject to the other person's abuse in any facet.

Only once

[The South Falls]

…Recreational Nukes are a terrible idea, and completely unworkable.

But dig the groovy orange cloud.

The people turn nice and green-yellow.

[Galloism]

Would this make sex with a partner who has cheated on you rape though?

Touche. As far as I am concerned if someone gives consent, then they are a willing participant. As soon as consent is withdrawn, it becomes rape. We really don't need any more ambiguity on this, otherwise human reproduction will cease.

So.... stealthing is just bad behavior?

[Cannot think of a name]

Well, we've always had condoms. My only complaint with those is they hurt to roll on. (I'm not lowkey bragging about size, even if it fits properly it's going to start off narrower.)

That's not really reproductive control, though.

I mean, that's what I've been using them for. Maybe I was doing it wrong.

[Cekoviu]

That's not really reproductive control, though.

I mean, that's what I've been using them for. Maybe I was doing it wrong.

They're party decorations!

[Galloism]

That's not really reproductive control, though.

I mean, that's what I've been using them for. Maybe I was doing it wrong.

Without the ability to internally maintain your birth control, it's not really reproductive control, as that control can be taken away from you by a single bad actor.

Women had spermicide stretching back to around the year 1500, and had diaphragms in the 1930s (with the hysterical name "womb veils"), but we consider the invention of the birth control pill as the defining moment that women attained actual reproductive control.

[Ethel mermania]

If your partner is abusive, you have bigger problems then sex, you need to get out of it.

If I am going to a bar to get laid, yeah it does make sense to use it, it's the point.

But we are talking about fear of rape.

It would be great if it were that easy to leave an abusive partner.

The cops are really good at helping at that sort of thing, and there are support shelters for abused women. Someone hits a partner, they need to be in jail.

[Kowani]

Touche. As far as I am concerned if someone gives consent, then they are a willing participant. As soon as consent is withdrawn, it becomes rape. We really don't need any more ambiguity on this, otherwise human reproduction will cease.

So.... stealthing is just bad behavior?

I mean, it is douchbaggery…
It’s also a bit more than that, but hey.

It would be great if it were that easy to leave an abusive partner.

The cops are really good at helping at that sort of thing, and there are support shelters for abused women. Someone hits a partner, they need to be in jail.

Psychology doesn’t work that way.

[Galloism]

It would be great if it were that easy to leave an abusive partner.

The cops are really good at helping at that sort of thing, and there are support shelters for abused women. Someone hits a partner, they need to be in jail.

Keep in mind we're talking about men using the contraceptive gel here. It's likely the man would be the one abused and needing protection in this scenario.

[Cekoviu]

It would be great if it were that easy to leave an abusive partner.

The cops are really good at helping at that sort of thing, and there are support shelters for abused women. Someone hits a partner, they need to be in jail.

Ethel, have you seen a vet recently? We're talking about men who are in abusive relationships with a partner capable of getting pregnant, not women.

[The South Falls]

It is definitely possible for people to force themselves upon men, and tie the man down with child support as a "commitment" thing.