The Male Pill

[Ostroeuropa]

It also probably means less wanted pregnancies for women.

Shouldn’t that be something two reasonable adults discuss prior to anything? Particularly those in long term relationships?

It should be, ideally. But mens lack of agency (enforced on a social level) here means they spend little time thinking about it and are encouraged to just surrender to women on the matter since if they have sex, they must accept a pregnancy if it occurs and the woman wants it. Their opinion is more of a suggestion and for the most part if the woman says she wants it, men are just going to resign themselves to that.

[Fartsniffage]

But men already have that power, albeit in a more or less permanent way, in the form of the snip...

You'd be surprised how often that doesn't work. My parents certainly were when my brother came along....

[Ostroeuropa]

Currently if a woman wants a pregnancy and a man doesn't, there's little the man can do about it.

And this gel will change that, as it gives some modicum of balance over the process.

"Unwanted pregnancy" is a term we use to refer to women not wanting to be pregnant. If we expand that term to include when men don't want women pregnant, that means suddenly a number of pregnancies which woman want to occur suddenly will no longer occur. It represents a loss of power from women to men in terms of family planning agency.

But men already have that power, albeit in a more or less permanent way, in the form of the snip...

The snip being permanent kind of means it's the same kind of lack of agency thing. You get one decision maximum rather than an ongoing process.

[Ethel mermania]

Shouldn’t that be something two reasonable adults discuss prior to anything? Particularly those in long term relationships?

Rapists don't tend to be reasonable.

I am sure rapists are a fairly small potential market for the jell.

This is for people in long term relationships. I have seen relationships where one partner wants a kid NOW!, and the other doesnt and this will give the man more control over his situation.

Because all things considered, rubbers suck.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Shouldn’t that be something two reasonable adults discuss prior to anything? Particularly those in long term relationships?

It should be, ideally. But mens lack of agency (enforced on a social level) here means they spend little time thinking about it and are encouraged to just surrender to women on the matter since if they have sex, they must accept a pregnancy if it occurs and the woman wants it. Their opinion is more of a suggestion and for the most part if the woman says she wants it, men are just going to resign themselves to that.

I do get that. Which is why I’ve always thought that reproductive rights and family planning is something both men and women should engage on. And have. Which also why I would think that if you want to have kid, you should talk it out with your partner. If you’re in a committed relationship, isn’t that the logical way to do it? I mean, my husband doesn’t own my uterus and I sure as hell don’t own his sperm. We both have rights over our reproduction, I think.

[The Micronation of Oceanland]

hopefully this will become available soon!

[Kaztropol]

Also, a thing that supposedly happens:
nannies ensure continuity of employment by sabotaging birth control products used by their employers. Far easier to poke a hole in a condom than to manipulate a tube of gel.

In what country?

The 1990's.

May be an urban legend, may have really happened, I don't know. Certainly used to be a thing that would resurface every so often.

[Cekoviu]

Rapists don't tend to be reasonable.

I am sure rapists are a fairly small potential market for the jell.

This is for people in long term relationships. I have seen relationships where one partner wants a kid NOW!, and the other doesnt and this will give the man more control over his situation.

Because all things considered, rubbers suck.

I was talking about female rapists, in response to whom the gel would be useful.

[Proctopeo]

4. I hesitate to say "all" "most" or even "many". I have no idea how many women will throw tantrums. It's almost certainly a number north of zero, but "most" is >50%, and I think that's extreme. I do think there will be a lot of tantrums in certain spaces over not having the control, we've already seen in articles like this one where the writer basically admits to being a sociopath.

I do think "some" is the correct term here. Definitely a sizable number, but as there are a lot of women, quite a small percentage of the whole.

Enough, though, that you bet your ass the tantrums will make it to the news. They'll probably stick around for a bit, too.

[Cekoviu]

4. I hesitate to say "all" "most" or even "many". I have no idea how many women will throw tantrums. It's almost certainly a number north of zero, but "most" is >50%, and I think that's extreme. I do think there will be a lot of tantrums in certain spaces over not having the control, we've already seen in articles like this one where the writer basically admits to being a sociopath.

I do think "some" is the correct term here. Definitely a sizable number, but as there are a lot of women, quite a small percentage of the whole.

Enough, though, that you bet your ass the tantrums will make it to the news. They'll probably stick around for a bit, too.

Outrage makes good news tbh even when it's a fringe position, because then you have non-critical people like Ostroeuropa getting outraged over the outrage and consuming more content. It's a good business strategy that can be extended to a great variety of things.

[Ostroeuropa]

It should be, ideally. But mens lack of agency (enforced on a social level) here means they spend little time thinking about it and are encouraged to just surrender to women on the matter since if they have sex, they must accept a pregnancy if it occurs and the woman wants it. Their opinion is more of a suggestion and for the most part if the woman says she wants it, men are just going to resign themselves to that.

I do get that. Which is why I’ve always thought that reproductive rights and family planning is something both men and women should engage on. And have. Which also why I would think that if you want to have kid, you should talk it out with your partner. If you’re in a committed relationship, isn’t that the logical way to do it? I mean, my husband doesn’t own my uterus and I sure as hell don’t own his sperm. We both have rights over our reproduction, I think.

I mean yeah that's positive, but if it becomes "Well i'm not taking the pill anymore", that's pretty much that.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I do get that. Which is why I’ve always thought that reproductive rights and family planning is something both men and women should engage on. And have. Which also why I would think that if you want to have kid, you should talk it out with your partner. If you’re in a committed relationship, isn’t that the logical way to do it? I mean, my husband doesn’t own my uterus and I sure as hell don’t own his sperm. We both have rights over our reproduction, I think.

I mean yeah that's positive, but if it becomes "Well i'm not taking the pill anymore", that's pretty much that.

In which case the gel is good. Yeah.

[Ostroeuropa]

I do think "some" is the correct term here. Definitely a sizable number, but as there are a lot of women, quite a small percentage of the whole.

Enough, though, that you bet your ass the tantrums will make it to the news. They'll probably stick around for a bit, too.

Outrage makes good news tbh even when it's a fringe position, because then you have non-critical people like Ostroeuropa getting outraged over the outrage and consuming more content. It's a good business strategy that can be extended to a great variety of things.

lol. Sure.
"War on women."
v
"A 30 year study on the suppression of gender symmetry in perpetration of domestic violence.".

But i'm the non-critical one.

Look, you could try actually engaging with the points I make about feminism, or you can just insult me and say i'm a dumb dumb. Dont' care which, just don't expect me not to point it out that you only seem capable of the latter, not the former.

[The South Falls]

Plus, now you can become more intimate. Skin, no plastic!

[Cekoviu]

Plus, now you can become more intimate. Skin, no plastic!

Should probably still use condoms as a precaution, at least while it's still a new development.

[Ostroeuropa]

Might lead to an increase of STDs if people begin eschewing condoms more.

[Fartsniffage]

Plus, now you can become more intimate. Skin, no plastic!

Should probably still use condoms as a precaution, at least while it's still a new development.

It's not going to be on the market for about 10 years as lots and lots of testing is needed.

[Fartsniffage]

Might lead to an increase of STDs if people begin eschewing condoms more.

Just like the pill.

[Proctopeo]

Plus, now you can become more intimate. Skin, no plastic!

Should probably still use condoms as a precaution, at least while it's still a new development.

For extra protection, wear three condoms.

One on your nose.

[Ostroeuropa]

Might lead to an increase of STDs if people begin eschewing condoms more.

Just like the pill.

Ehhhhh.
I mean that might have been from overall more sex in general. Probably though. My concern here is that men begin to view the gel as their contraceptive contribution.

[Fartsniffage]

Just like the pill.

Ehhhhh.
I mean that might have been from overall more sex in general. Probably though. My concern here is that men begin to view the gel as their contraceptive contribution.

It would be their contraceptive contribution. Their protection against infection, not so much.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Should probably still use condoms as a precaution, at least while it's still a new development.

For extra protection, wear three condoms.

One on your nose.

Can’t stop laughing now. Fuck.

[The South Falls]

Plus, now you can become more intimate. Skin, no plastic!

Should probably still use condoms as a precaution, at least while it's still a new development.

That's why I use my favorite contraceptive. Being exposed to massive levels of radiation.


eh fuck it i'm underage anyway

Should probably still use condoms as a precaution, at least while it's still a new development.

For extra protection, wear three condoms.

One on your nose.

this guy knows whats up.

[Galloism]

Currently if a woman wants a pregnancy and a man doesn't, there's little the man can do about it.

"Unwanted pregnancy" is a term we use to refer to women not wanting to be pregnant. If we expand that term to include when men don't want women pregnant, that means suddenly a number of pregnancies which woman want to occur suddenly will no longer occur. It represents a loss of power from women to men in terms of family planning agency.

I would not be surprised if we see rationalizations come out relatively quickly about how men don't actually need to pay child support under those circumstances anymore in an attempt to once again center womens experience and make it paramount.

What are condoms?

What is partner rape?

[Aclion]

4. I hesitate to say "all" "most" or even "many". I have no idea how many women will throw tantrums. It's almost certainly a number north of zero, but "most" is >50%, and I think that's extreme. I do think there will be a lot of tantrums in certain spaces over not having the control, we've already seen in articles like this one where the writer basically admits to being a sociopath.

I do think "some" is the correct term here. Definitely a sizable number, but as there are a lot of women, quite a small percentage of the whole.

Enough, though, that you bet your ass the tantrums will make it to the news. They'll probably stick around for a bit, too.

lets go with "too many"