Cars need to be banned

[Galloism]

The Berlin Wall was built to keep people from fleeing East Germany, not flocking to it...

There’s a reason Ancapistan doesn’t exist.

Something really close.

[The Brine]

No they don't. Cars are very convenient, personal, and fun to drive (at least imo). Banning cars is way too overreaching for the government, not to mention the incredible job loss and public pushback from such an act. I would not support nor comply with that law. If a society voluntarily moves to a more bus/skytrain-heavy environment, that's all fine and dandy, but banning automobiles is not okay.

This ^^

Truly, banning automobiles will result in the loss of jobs for a lot of people. Environment is important, but think about the people!

There will be plenty more jobs that people can take.

[Kowani]

There’s a reason Ancapistan doesn’t exist.

Something really close.

I thought about doing that, but I wanted to do something witty, and it didn’t work out…

[Galloism]

And what of those people who can't use bikes to get around? Or what if you were pregnant and giving birth-or injured and not near a telephone.

Tell someone to call an ambulance.

Hope it's nothing serious.

[Bluelight-R006]

No one puts their full trust in technology. See point number 3 on that post and see why I still say it’s a better alternative! They cause less casualties, unlike humans whose imperfections lead to accidents. Though cars themselves are made by imperfect humans, they’re based on a sense of basic thinking, and not like humans whose stupidity can overthrow logic in times of quick thinking.

And bikes? You think it’s logical, logical if I want to cycle for hundreds of kilometres to an area where planes can’t reach that certain area? My Father cycles to work but that’s because it’s only 10 kilometres away!

Read my edit.

Read it, doesn’t prove my point. Certain people have limits. We’ve come to a time where people aren’t fit enough to ride for hundreds of kilometres. And don’t you dare e’er say they have to push themselves, because some people can’t, and if they are forced to cycle 500 kilometres...

[Neo Kerala]

(1) Ever heard of electric cars? We can use renewable energy to make the cars. Not all cars emit CO^2. Therefore, not all cars should be banned.
(2) We can’t repeat that because that was back then, getting to our destinations was really inconvenient. Using horses and just walking isn’t going to get us to our destinations by the time we are supposed to arrive.
(3) And we are inventing new technology that can avoid the imperfection of man that leads to accidents. Though not so reliable, will result in lesser casualties.
(4) And people still walk on the streets — to get to destinations that are near. You’re talking as if the streets were empty and desolate!
(5) Never! Never will banning vehicles be a great decision! Vehicles get us to our destinations faster, they ease us on having to cycle or walk and make us tired. Watch your words: Not all vehicles are bad.

Unlike you, I don't put my 100% trust in technology if you are referring to cars that drive themselves. Also, ever heard of bikes? Not only do they not release any pollution into the air but they actually require some manual labor this will allow for a more independent/stronger society of people who do not rely on technology to carry on with their everyday lives.

We should never put 100 percent of our trust in something but never ban veichles

[Fredon Columbia]

The Berlin Wall was built to keep people from fleeing East Germany, not flocking to it...

There’s a reason Ancapistan doesn’t exist.

And there's a reason the Soviet Union collapsed. What's your point?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Also, cars promote both personal and societal independence

wtf Kowani is a totalitarian now

[Alien Overlord]

Philosophy isn't a hard science and therefore can't be invalid.

Oh. Oh, that’s so sad.

Considering The United States was founded with a understanding that personal liberty was important, it's not ahistorical either.

Yes, and how’s that worked out? Slavery, the Gilded Age, Woodrow Wilson, and a constant erosion of said liberties.

A society based around individualism is superior to a society based around collectivism.

Citation needed.

I would say that it's worked out quite well, everything considered. We have a functioning court system that does it's best to abide by our constitution-especially the bill of rights, we live in a meritocracy where social mobility isn't restricted and hard work can elevate you to new heights. Slavery died out, the Gilded Age is over, Woodrow Wilson long dead and despite everything-the nation still values individual liberty over the common good, generally.

Compare that to the Soviet Union-a cesspool of corruption that couldn't provide for the most basic needs of it's people. Or North Korea, which utilizes concentration camps to survive and maintain its ideology, or Venezuela, which is basically falling apart. What collectivist societies have actually prospered in the modern era? Would you rather live in Australia or Laos?

[Rothbardian Paradise]

Also, cars promote both personal and societal independence

wtf Kowani is a totalitarian now

I think he is speaking on a much more abstract level.

[The Brine]

Read my edit.

Read it, doesn’t prove my point. Certain people have limits. We’ve come to a time where people aren’t fit enough to ride for hundreds of kilometres. And don’t you dare e’er say they have to push themselves, because some people can’t, and if they are forced to cycle 500 kilometres...

Natural selection, my friend. If they can't put a little elbow grease into it then they are weak and do not deserve a place in society. Also this feeds into my other idea of instead of big countries that span across millions of miles of land, every country should be split up into small communities that way it's more convenient for citizens living in the countryside.

[Kowani]

There’s a reason Ancapistan doesn’t exist.

And there's a reason the Soviet Union collapsed. What's your point?

That individualism is not inherently better than collectivism-and that all societies, by virtue of being societies-are collectivist. Therefore, collectivism is the only way on any large scale or long period of time.

[Bluelight-R006]

(1) Ever heard of electric cars? We can use renewable energy to make the cars. Not all cars emit CO^2. Therefore, not all cars should be banned.
(2) We can’t repeat that because that was back then, getting to our destinations was really inconvenient. Using horses and just walking isn’t going to get us to our destinations by the time we are supposed to arrive.
(3) And we are inventing new technology that can avoid the imperfection of man that leads to accidents. Though not so reliable, will result in lesser casualties.
(4) And people still walk on the streets — to get to destinations that are near. You’re talking as if the streets were empty and desolate!
(5) Never! Never will banning vehicles be a great decision! Vehicles get us to our destinations faster, they ease us on having to cycle or walk and make us tired. Watch your words: Not all vehicles are bad.

Unlike you, I don't put my 100% trust in technology if you are referring to cars that drive themselves. Also, ever heard of bikes? Not only do they not release any pollution into the air but they actually require some manual labor this will allow for a more independent/stronger society of people who do not rely on technology to carry on with their everyday lives.

Another scenario:

A man whose work is 50 kilometres from his house has to bring home a lot of work to do over night, he doesn’t get enough sleep because he did that huge pile of work and needs to set aside time to cycle back in the morning.

That’s more unhealthy, for the love of God.

[Galloism]

Read it, doesn’t prove my point. Certain people have limits. We’ve come to a time where people aren’t fit enough to ride for hundreds of kilometres. And don’t you dare e’er say they have to push themselves, because some people can’t, and if they are forced to cycle 500 kilometres...

Natural selection, my friend. If they can't put a little elbow grease into it then they are weak and do not deserve a place in society. Also this feeds into my other idea of instead of big countries that span across millions of miles of land, every country should be split up into small communities that way it's more convenient for citizens living in the countryside.

Those border crossings will be a bitch if you want to go anywhere.

[Jebslund]

The thing supposedly holding back electric cars is the state of battery technology. Until there is a battery that is exponentially better than lithium-ion, electric vehicles aren't going to take off as much as they could. All cars becoming electric but also affordable, would be the ideal outcome. There is a ton of inertia unfortunately, that keeps fossil fuel powered cars on the road.

There won't be, because a battery that much better would also be that much more dangerous. The problem with batteries isn't generating power, but, rather, safely storing it, and more energy density means it needs to release power more slowly if you don't want it to go boom.

That said, I do agree that all cars becoming electric would be better, especially if we then switched our power grid over to more environmentally-friendly methods of power generation.

[The Brine]

Unlike you, I don't put my 100% trust in technology if you are referring to cars that drive themselves. Also, ever heard of bikes? Not only do they not release any pollution into the air but they actually require some manual labor this will allow for a more independent/stronger society of people who do not rely on technology to carry on with their everyday lives.

Another scenario:

A man whose work is 50 kilometres from his house has to bring home a lot of work to do over night, he doesn’t get enough sleep because he did that huge pile of work and needs to set aside time to cycle back in the morning.

That’s more unhealthy, for the love of God.

Well, if he was a smart man, he would have took a train.

[Rothbardian Paradise]

And there's a reason the Soviet Union collapsed. What's your point?

That individualism is not inherently better than collectivism-and that all societies, by virtue of being societies-are collectivist. Therefore, collectivism is the only way on any large scale or long period of time.

That's a bad argument that fails to even consider the possibility of methodological individualism. You can't just define society collectively from the get-go.

[Bluelight-R006]

Another scenario:

A man whose work is 50 kilometres from his house has to bring home a lot of work to do over night, he doesn’t get enough sleep because he did that huge pile of work and needs to set aside time to cycle back in the morning.

That’s more unhealthy, for the love of God.

Well, if he was a smart man, he would have took a train.

And what if there isn’t enough money to build a train line, supply buses there?

This is unfortunately not just a scenario, but a real life problem — I’ve went to the Philippines and there are some people who don’t have bus services going to their area, and they have to rely on walking.

[Walkerfort]

stupid idea

for one, people can be lazy as hell, do you expect everyone to accept the banning of cars and having to walk? Cars are a helpful mode of transport and are in our everyday lives, although cars are polluting the earth and cause accidents. the benefits of a car outweigh walking. as said before people can be really lazy, walking may be good for your health and the earth but then again, not that many would want to walk three miles to work or an appointment.

before you pull the public transport card. I have to inform you that to build and maintain the entire PT (public transportation) systems it would be very costly. thus would require the government to tax people more. do you think people would want more taxes, and not everyone can be bothered with train or bus schedules, as said before not everyone is a office worker, some are tourists, some are lazy people and some just don't bother with it.

in conclusion. cars are an important part of today's society,cars are becoming more eco friendly by the day, and although the solutions here are wonderful, it won't happen soon but maybe down the line soon we will have only trains and buses or cars become so eco friendly the earth wants to marry it.


the end..

[The Brine]

Natural selection, my friend. If they can't put a little elbow grease into it then they are weak and do not deserve a place in society. Also this feeds into my other idea of instead of big countries that span across millions of miles of land, every country should be split up into small communities that way it's more convenient for citizens living in the countryside.

Those border crossings will be a bitch if you want to go anywhere.

That's exactly my point, why do you need to go anywhere else? Every community should have everything a person needs. The only thing I see is that if you live up North and want to go to the beach then you're going to have to take a plane for that.

[Galloism]

The thing supposedly holding back electric cars is the state of battery technology. Until there is a battery that is exponentially better than lithium-ion, electric vehicles aren't going to take off as much as they could. All cars becoming electric but also affordable, would be the ideal outcome. There is a ton of inertia unfortunately, that keeps fossil fuel powered cars on the road.

There won't be, because a battery that much better would also be that much more dangerous. The problem with batteries isn't generating power, but, rather, safely storing it, and more energy density means it needs to release power more slowly if you don't want it to go boom.

That said, I do agree that all cars becoming electric would be better, especially if we then switched our power grid over to more environmentally-friendly methods of power generation.

Honestly, batteries now have the range to be perfectly viable vehicles for 97% of people.

More than higher range, we need faster charge rates and more ubiquitous charging infrastructure.

[Kowani]

That individualism is not inherently better than collectivism-and that all societies, by virtue of being societies-are collectivist. Therefore, collectivism is the only way on any large scale or long period of time.

That's a bad argument that fails to even consider the possibility of methodological individualism. You can't just define society collectively from the get-go.

the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community.
"drugs, crime, and other dangers to society"
synonyms: the community, the public, the general public, the people, the population

Even methodological individualism is collectivist in nature.

[Bluelight-R006]

Read it, doesn’t prove my point. Certain people have limits. We’ve come to a time where people aren’t fit enough to ride for hundreds of kilometres. And don’t you dare e’er say they have to push themselves, because some people can’t, and if they are forced to cycle 500 kilometres...

Natural selection, my friend. If they can't put a little elbow grease into it then they are weak and do not deserve a place in society. Also this feeds into my other idea of instead of big countries that span across millions of miles of land, every country should be split up into small communities that way it's more convenient for citizens living in the countryside.

Natural selection’s a bitch. You say you don’t like casualties, yet you say some people don’t deserve a place in society. People will have to adjust, that is. But for the first time, it will really affect them. Humanity should be working together, not excluding people for the sake of convenience, that’s mr opinion at least.

Also, electric cars! Trains! Buses! Funny you forget these exist, because they help those who ‘don’t deserve a place in society.’

[Galloism]

Those border crossings will be a bitch if you want to go anywhere.

That's exactly my point, why do you need to go anywhere else? Every community should have everything a person needs. The only thing I see is that if you live up North and want to go to the beach then you're going to have to take a plane for that.

I have family I'd like to visit occasionally.

[Kowani]

Those border crossings will be a bitch if you want to go anywhere.

That's exactly my point, why do you need to go anywhere else? Every community should have everything a person needs. The only thing I see is that if you live up North and want to go to the beach then you're going to have to take a plane for that.

You’re aware that that’s physically impossible.