An all female future..

[Cekoviu]

Trans women taking estrogen often become infertile, but trans men can usually still be fertilized and have biological children if they still have their original plumbing (they just have to stop taking testosterone supplements during pregnancy and I think breastfeeding).

I'm a bit confused by your terminology here. By post-transition females, do you mean trans women who have had sexual reassignment surgery or trans men? Post-op trans women unfortunately can't have uterine transplants and even if they could, they'd need someone else's egg. Most trans men seem to not be keen on having biological children, if that's what you mean, so that's correct.

Was referring to post-op women. And dang, that sucks a ton. Hopefully the future will fix that if a post-op woman wants children.

Gotcha. There was a successful uterine transplant conducted in Turkey recently (2017, iirc?) on a cis woman, which does at least bode well for the future.

[Dogmeat]

This sounds like the introduction to a porno.

"But one man snuck onboard..."

[Cekoviu]

This sounds like the introduction to a porno.

"But one man snuck onboard..."

Don't make fun of space porn, it's an important developing industry!

[Hathian Prime]

^Was thinking the same exact thing

[Araraukar]

Probably once technology has sufficiently progressed people can be grown in vat tanks.

I'm all for waiting until that.

[Igniseth]

1. Women go first on the lifeboats. Most traditional ideologies would aprove, not just radical feminists.
2. An all men crew would require artificial womb. Increasing price and mass.

So I agree

[Nakena]

This sounds like the introduction to a porno.

"But one man snuck onboard..."

That would be very mean to the woman and even more so to the men.

[Cekoviu]

1. Women go first on the lifeboats. Most traditional ideologies would aprove, not just radical feminists.
2. An all men crew would require artificial womb. Increasing price and mass.

So I agree

Or, you know, you could have both men and women on the crew.

[The Huskar Social Union]

This sounds like the introduction to a porno.

"But one man snuck onboard..."

Don't make fun of space porn, it's an important developing industry!

The real reason trump set up space force

[The Huskar Social Union]

1. Women go first on the lifeboats. Most traditional ideologies would aprove, not just radical feminists.
2. An all men crew would require artificial womb. Increasing price and mass.

So I agree

Or, you know, you could have both men and women on the crew.

WHAT? NO, that could never happen.

[Estanglia]

If it was an all-female crew or we die, then I'd go for the all-female crew.
Otherwise, I'd rather there be a mix of sexes.

1. Women go first on the lifeboats. Most traditional ideologies would aprove, not just radical feminists.
2. An all men crew would require artificial womb. Increasing price and mass.

So I agree

1) Past sexism shouldn't be an excuse for modern sexism.
2) Mixed-sex crew.

[Araraukar]

2) Mixed-sex crew.

I think one of the reasons cited against that was that it takes a long time to get to Mars, and that a mixed sex crew would make sex happen (even though men would have serious trouble getting erections in microgravity) before we get there, and accidents do occasionally happen, and nobody wants a crippled child because they spent their early months in microgravity. I mean, hell, the G-forces during landing would likely kill any such child... And starting the human era on Mars by the burial of a dead baby would not be an auspicious start.

[The Huskar Social Union]

2) Mixed-sex crew.

I think one of the reasons cited against that was that it takes a long time to get to Mars, and that a mixed sex crew would make sex happen (even though men would have serious trouble getting erections in microgravity) before we get there, and accidents do occasionally happen, and nobody wants a crippled child because they spent their early months in microgravity. I mean, hell, the G-forces during landing would likely kill any such child... And starting the human era on Mars by the burial of a dead baby would not be an auspicious start.

Im pretty sure if you can have sex in space, you can use condoms in space.

Also more science, giggity.

Also mixed sex crews already operate in space.

[Araraukar]

Im pretty sure if you can have sex in space, you can use condoms in space.

Hence:

and accidents do occasionally happen

Also, condoms would be a fucking bad idea in microgravity. Don't you know how fluids behave in "zero G"?

Also mixed sex crews already operate in space.

In orbit of our live-bearing planet, constantly monitored by ground-based control centers. Do you understand that Space Is Big and just because it's one of our neighbours, Mars isn't exactly closeby the way we're used to thinking of distances?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Im pretty sure if you can have sex in space, you can use condoms in space.

Hence:

and accidents do occasionally happen

Also, condoms would be a fucking bad idea in microgravity. Don't you know how fluids behave in "zero G"?

Also mixed sex crews already operate in space.

In orbit of our live-bearing planet, constantly monitored by ground-based control centers. Do you understand that Space Is Big and just because it's one of our neighbours, Mars isn't exactly closeby the way we're used to thinking of distances?

Yes sir i do know sir that space is big sir.

Order them not to have sex then on the mission, if they do reprimand them some how for disobeying orders. Im also certain that they would still be monitored by ground based control centers in route to Mars by the way, doubt control will just go "well fucking cya in a few years" and cut off communication.

I dont mean to sound snarky or anything by the way, sorry.

[Cekoviu]

Hence:

Also, condoms would be a fucking bad idea in microgravity. Don't you know how fluids behave in "zero G"?


In orbit of our live-bearing planet, constantly monitored by ground-based control centers. Do you understand that Space Is Big and just because it's one of our neighbours, Mars isn't exactly closeby the way we're used to thinking of distances?

Yes sir i do know sir that space is big sir.

Order them not to have sex then on the mission, if they do reprimand them some how for disobeying orders. Im also certain that they would still be monitored by ground based control centers in route to Mars by the way, doubt control will just go "well fucking cya in a few years" and cut off communication.

I dont mean to sound snarky or anything by the way, sorry.

Because reprimanding people for having sex when they're not supposed to works famously on Earth...

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yes sir i do know sir that space is big sir.

Order them not to have sex then on the mission, if they do reprimand them some how for disobeying orders. Im also certain that they would still be monitored by ground based control centers in route to Mars by the way, doubt control will just go "well fucking cya in a few years" and cut off communication.

I dont mean to sound snarky or anything by the way, sorry.

Because reprimanding people for having sex when they're not supposed to works famously on Earth...

Hmm okay true.

[Thermodolia]

There's pretty much no calamity that can possibly befall earth that would make it less hospitable than mars.

Even if we accept the conceit of "need some kind of sealed colony" The resources required to set up a base on mars or the moon as a safe haven in case of global catastrophe would be better spent creating dozens of self-contained biospheres on earth instead.

Shit happens.

While visually appealing the mushroom cloud is on the wrong end of the planet

[Tekania]

Im pretty sure if you can have sex in space, you can use condoms in space.

Hence:

and accidents do occasionally happen

Also, condoms would be a fucking bad idea in microgravity. Don't you know how fluids behave in "zero G"?

Also mixed sex crews already operate in space.

In orbit of our live-bearing planet, constantly monitored by ground-based control centers. Do you understand that Space Is Big and just because it's one of our neighbours, Mars isn't exactly closeby the way we're used to thinking of distances?

The lack of sex on the ISS is not due to constant monitoring. It's due to a high level of professionalism by a contingent of specially selected personal who have been extensively screened.

[-Ocelot-]

Men and women are complementary.

We don't need one or the other - we need both. Men serve certain roles, and women serve others.

Its like a two piece puzzle.

Solid logic for cavemen. If your civilization can break enough natural "rules" to create a language, build a civilized society, extract minerals, convert them into spaceships and leave the Earth for good, it can also ignore the "men and women have separate roles" dogma.

[Araraukar]

The lack of sex on the ISS is not due to constant monitoring. It's due to a high level of professionalism by a contingent of specially selected personal who have been extensively screened.

...so you believe they'd be totally fine to not have sex until commanded to by Earth control, even if they were selected for the exact purpose to eventually have sex with one another and procreate? We definitely need you on this thread to say that not having sex is a good, normal thing that people are totally capable of.

[United States of Americanas]

The lack of sex on the ISS is not due to constant monitoring. It's due to a high level of professionalism by a contingent of specially selected personal who have been extensively screened.

...so you believe they'd be totally fine to not have sex until commanded to by Earth control, even if they were selected for the exact purpose to eventually have sex with one another and procreate? We definitely need you on this thread to say that not having sex is a good, normal thing that people are totally capable of.

May as well damn select me. Never had sex in my entire life and the only reason I would have sex is if I needed to save the planet. 27 and still a virgin and I plan to keep it that way for the rest of my life unless I’m selected for some absurd mission like this.

[Tekania]

The lack of sex on the ISS is not due to constant monitoring. It's due to a high level of professionalism by a contingent of specially selected personal who have been extensively screened.

...so you believe they'd be totally fine to not have sex until commanded to by Earth control, even if they were selected for the exact purpose to eventually have sex with one another and procreate? We definitely need you on this thread to say that not having sex is a good, normal thing that people are totally capable of.

The selection process would be far more than "people who want to fuck" for a colonization mission. When selecting for programs such as that a high level of expertise, self-control and professionalism would be required. And yes, people are capable of not having sex. Not necessarily just random Joe or Sue off the street.... but if you wanted a successful long term colony you would not be throwing random people in, you would have a strict selection process as stated.

[Chan Island]

Aw, shucks. Do I at least get to go along?

How are we ever going to achieve Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism now?

Well, we can still have Fully Automated Luxury Lesbian Space Communism at least.

[Kaztropol]

I had a thonk about some of the things mentioned earlier in the thread, about the all-female society, and sperm storage and so on, and how said society would think of men and so on.

It's possible, that every N years, when the society need to refill their sperm supply, that they'd raise up some male offspring to sexual maturity, and harvest them for sperm. And keep them around for a decade or so, till the age of 25 maybe, as curiosities.

"See how our ancestors used to reproduce", sort of zoo exhibits. And maybe a few of the women would be curious to experience it for themselves. "How barbaric but strangely appealing" etc.

But after the age of 25 or so, when physical fitness and sperm quality starts to decline, well, you don't keep around a bull that can no longer service the herd...