An all female future..

[The South Falls]

Sex provides dopamine and morale. Only issue is spacecels.

We aren’t even there yet and you’re already anticipating spacecels? South Falls for lunar council.

And, don't forget space mormons. "Elder Smith, can I wear a space suit, I mean we're in space after all" "No! YOU MUST WEAR THE GARMENTS BECAUSE JOSEPH SAID SO!"

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

We aren’t even there yet and you’re already anticipating spacecels? South Falls for lunar council.

And, don't forget space mormons. "Elder Smith, can I wear a space suit, I mean we're in space after all" "No! YOU MUST WEAR THE GARMENTS BECAUSE JOSEPH SAID SO!"

Fancy space Mormon garments... business idea.

[Cekoviu]

We aren’t even there yet and you’re already anticipating spacecels? South Falls for lunar council.

And, don't forget space mormons. "Elder Smith, can I wear a space suit, I mean we're in space after all" "No! YOU MUST WEAR THE GARMENTS BECAUSE JOSEPH SAID SO!"

Aren't Scientologists already space Mormons? :thinking:

[Araraukar]

but you can't always tell if somebody actually is infertile without getting them checked. That seems like a waste of resources too, but maybe it'd be worth it.

...having periods would be a start. And then having a gyne's exam to check you have active ovaries really is as simple as a transvaginal ultrasound.

And let's be realistic, if we're really talking about setting up a breeding colony of humans, not getting them screened for everything possible would be insane.

You'd have to always give cis men C-sections, though, because the alternative is...

Now why am I thinking of Alien...?

[Cekoviu]

but you can't always tell if somebody actually is infertile without getting them checked. That seems like a waste of resources too, but maybe it'd be worth it.

...having periods would be a start. And then having a gyne's exam to check you have active ovaries really is as simple as a transvaginal ultrasound.

And let's be realistic, if we're really talking about setting up a breeding colony of humans, not getting them screened for everything possible would be insane.

Yeah, that's fair.

You'd have to always give cis men C-sections, though, because the alternative is...

Now why am I thinking of Alien...?

I shuddered violently at this.

[Hathian Prime]

I see a few issues with this, most of which are not related to general sexism.

1.)You would have to bring a ton of sperm in order to ensure that you have not only numerous samples, but also so that you do not lose your only chance of reproducing because of human error or an uncontrollable accident. There's also the issue of refrigerating the sperm which takes power and money, as well as a separate chamber on the ship just to ensure that it won't be damaged or destroyed.

2.)Giving birth in space has been hypothesized as extremely deadly to both mother and child. There is a high chance that the baby's bones will not form properly in zero-g and it will become disfigured. Also, atmospheric entry could cause a miscarriage due to high stress and high g-forces. So let's assume the women decide to not go through with birth in space. Let's also assume that if they were to get pregnant on Mars they would do it in shifts(Ex: 50 women land on Mars, 5 get pregnant, give birth, and then another 5 go after the previous recover). Well, those women are out of commission for 9 months. Then, you have the problem of raising children. The kids would be useful for some things but would remain largely worthless for construction and repairs until they were 15 or 14 because of their underdeveloped minds and muscles. And this is all assuming the sperm wasn't lost or destroyed.

3.)Then there's the issue of perceived transphobia, misandry, and/or homophobia. Granted, the latter may not be a big deal at all since Lesbians can reproduce. But if a space organization were to ask for only Cis Females, there would be a massive public outcry. I am not meaning to demean Trans people. Their emotions and beliefs are valid. But a majority have not had a sex change surgery. I imagine there would be long-winded debates about this. Even if the trans person has transitioned genders, there's also the problem of artificially inserting a womb in, which could take a ton of money or the person would flat out refuse because of personal reasons. And then we have the issue of misandry. Many male astronauts would be quite mad because they were not chosen purely for gender alone. Apparently, a little above 1/3rd of NASA is female(even less so in other organizations). I could see very disastrous things occurring during the launch by a disgruntled male employee, or by a majority of the males quitting due to sexism.

4.) I do not want to exist in a world where survival is determined by gender and gender alone. We have had and will continue to have mixed sex societies. Biologically speaking(for Cis people), women tend to be more organized and smaller than men, allowing them to keep track of supplies and to get into areas the average man cannot. However, the average male is much more muscular and tend to have larger brains than the average female. The sexes are made to be complementary to one another. Men can do things women struggle with and vice versa. To solve the whole leader argument issue, make it a democracy. One person is selected based on skills and must overhear the opinions of every crewmate. Once on the planet, there can be more roles added and more laws made.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Men are at the top of their field in many areas. So no I wouldn't gamble the success of a mission to save on caloric intake. I want the best of the best regardless of gender, race, religion, etcetera.

[Cekoviu]

I do not want to exist in a world where survival is determined by gender and gender alone. We have had and will continue to have mixed sex societies. Biologically speaking(for Cis people), women tend to be more organized and smaller than men, allowing them to keep track of supplies and to get into areas the average man cannot. However, the average male is much more muscular and tend to have larger brains than the average female. The sexes are made to be complementary to one another. Men can do things women struggle with and vice versa. To solve the whole leader argument issue, make it a democracy. One person is selected based on skills and must overhear the opinions of every crewmate. Once on the planet, there can be more roles added and more laws made.

Addressing the cis people qualifier, that's not actually that necessary (except in part for physical size, as height can be variant). Trends in brain differences are generally preserved across trans people of a particular gender just as they would be for cis people, and trans people who have been medically transitioning for two years or more generally reflect the same trends as cis people metabolically and physiologically (at least for musculature).
Kind of a small point, I know, but I feel that that misconception should be cleared up.

[Hathian Prime]

I see a few issues with this, most of which are not related to general sexism.

1.)You would have to bring a ton of sperm in order to ensure that you have not only numerous samples, but also so that you do not lose your only chance of reproducing because of human error or an uncontrollable accident. There's also the issue of refrigerating the sperm which takes power and money, as well as a separate chamber on the ship just to ensure that it won't be damaged or destroyed.

2.)Giving birth in space has been hypothesized as extremely deadly to both mother and child. There is a high chance that the baby's bones will not form properly in zero-g and it will become disfigured. Also, atmospheric entry could cause a miscarriage due to high stress and high g-forces. So let's assume the women decide to not go through with birth in space. Let's also assume that if they were to get pregnant on Mars they would do it in shifts(Ex: 50 women land on Mars, 5 get pregnant, give birth, and then another 5 go after the previous recover). Well, those women are out of commission for 9 months. Then, you have the problem of raising children. The kids would be useful for some things but would remain largely worthless for construction and repairs until they were 15 or 14 because of their underdeveloped minds and muscles. And this is all assuming the sperm wasn't lost or destroyed.

3.)Then there's the issue of perceived transphobia, misandry, and/or homophobia. Granted, the latter may not be a big deal at all since Lesbians can reproduce. But if a space organization were to ask for only Cis Females, there would be a massive public outcry. I am not meaning to demean Trans people. Their emotions and beliefs are valid. But a majority have not had a sex change surgery. I imagine there would be long-winded debates about this. Even if the trans person has transitioned genders, there's also the problem of artificially inserting a womb in, which could take a ton of money or the person would flat out refuse because of personal reasons. And then we have the issue of misandry. Many male astronauts would be quite mad because they were not chosen purely for gender alone. Apparently, a little above 1/3rd of NASA is female(even less so in other organizations). I could see very disastrous things occurring during the launch by a disgruntled male employee, or by a majority of the males quitting due to sexism.

4.) I do not want to exist in a world where survival is determined by gender and gender alone. We have had and will continue to have mixed sex societies. Biologically speaking(for Cis people), women tend to be more organized and smaller than men, allowing them to keep track of supplies and to get into areas the average man cannot. However, the average male is much more muscular and tend to have larger brains than the average female. The sexes are made to be complementary to one another. Men can do things women struggle with and vice versa. To solve the whole leader argument issue, make it a democracy. One person is selected based on skills and must overhear the opinions of every crewmate. Once on the planet, there can be more roles added and more laws made.

And I nearly forgot this but
5.) The country issue. Many nations would be mad if only one nationality of astronauts was sent to space. Granted, we can't put one female from, every nation into space as it would be so expensive and cost-consuming. And that also has the problem of the females from underdeveloped countries not having the expertise required to live on a spaceship. Hell, there may even be wars that would break out over this. Honestly, I have no clue how to solve this problem either.

[The South Falls]

And, don't forget space mormons. "Elder Smith, can I wear a space suit, I mean we're in space after all" "No! YOU MUST WEAR THE GARMENTS BECAUSE JOSEPH SAID SO!"

Fancy space Mormon garments... business idea.

They don't have money, as they already paid their tithes to the space mormon woman's birthing fund. Nah but mormon women would be taking the flights home to give birth at twice the rate of everyone else, cause contraceptives are a sin, apparently.

And, don't forget space mormons. "Elder Smith, can I wear a space suit, I mean we're in space after all" "No! YOU MUST WEAR THE GARMENTS BECAUSE JOSEPH SAID SO!"

Aren't Scientologists already space Mormons? :thinking:

The Space Org, now with more Tom cruise.

[Araraukar]

Well, those women are out of commission for 9 months. Then, you have the problem of raising children.

You think women stop being able to work from the moment of conception? And in some places (USA comes to mind as a western nation) the woman is expected to get back to work within a few weeks of giving birth, while in others (some third world nations) she has no choice but to be back at work within a few days. Also, daycare is a thing that exists even here on Earth.

[Tekania]

Sure you could do that. Assuming you're colonizing inside the solar system. If you're doing extra solar colonization the best you can hope for in that case is the bodies of deceased female crewmembers arriving aboard the lifeless hulk of a ship at the closest potential candidate in 18,000 years.

Best options would be to develop some form of suspended animation, or employ a multi-generational approach. At least then you would have some hope of living creatures arrive at the destination.

[Maineiacs]

but you can't always tell if somebody actually is infertile without getting them checked. That seems like a waste of resources too, but maybe it'd be worth it.

...having periods would be a start. And then having a gyne's exam to check you have active ovaries really is as simple as a transvaginal ultrasound.

And let's be realistic, if we're really talking about setting up a breeding colony of humans, not getting them screened for everything possible would be insane.

You'd have to always give cis men C-sections, though, because the alternative is...

Now why am I thinking of Alien...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-sBROXalU4

[Tusdetan Anti-Curators]

The idea that women wouldn't quarrel about who is in charge is oddly naive and frankly sexist in a way that manages to insult both sexes.

[Aclion]

Not gonna happen. I have it on good authority that women like penis.

And I nearly forgot this but
5.) The country issue. Many nations would be mad if only one nationality of astronauts was sent to space. Granted, we can't put one female from, every nation into space as it would be so expensive and cost-consuming. And that also has the problem of the females from underdeveloped countries not having the expertise required to live on a spaceship. Hell, there may even be wars that would break out over this. Honestly, I have no clue how to solve this problem either.

If you're incapable of running a space program good luck going to war with a nation that is.

[The Jar Jar Jar of Jar Jar]

If it was the literal only choice for humanity's survival (unlikely), then I would very reluctantly accept it. If it was not, then I'd be against it tooth and nail.

[Nakena]

1.)You would have to bring a ton of sperm in order to ensure that you have not only numerous samples, but also so that you do not lose your only chance of reproducing because of human error or an uncontrollable accident. There's also the issue of refrigerating the sperm which takes power and money, as well as a separate chamber on the ship just to ensure that it won't be damaged or destroyed.

Redundancy is of course always being considered.

2.)Giving birth in space has been hypothesized as extremely deadly to both mother and child. There is a high chance that the baby's bones will not form properly in zero-g and it will become disfigured. Also, atmospheric entry could cause a miscarriage due to high stress and high g-forces. So let's assume the women decide to not go through with birth in space. Let's also assume that if they were to get pregnant on Mars they would do it in shifts(Ex: 50 women land on Mars, 5 get pregnant, give birth, and then another 5 go after the previous recover). Well, those women are out of commission for 9 months. Then, you have the problem of raising children. The kids would be useful for some things but would remain largely worthless for construction and repairs until they were 15 or 14 because of their underdeveloped minds and muscles. And this is all assuming the sperm wasn't lost or destroyed.

This would have to be tested in practice, how children develop in zero-g pregnancy.

3.)Then there's the issue of perceived transphobia, misandry, and/or homophobia. Granted, the latter may not be a big deal at all since Lesbians can reproduce. But if a space organization were to ask for only Cis Females, there would be a massive public outcry. I am not meaning to demean Trans people. Their emotions and beliefs are valid. But a majority have not had a sex change surgery. I imagine there would be long-winded debates about this. Even if the trans person has transitioned genders, there's also the problem of artificially inserting a womb in, which could take a ton of money or the person would flat out refuse because of personal reasons. And then we have the issue of misandry. Many male astronauts would be quite mad because they were not chosen purely for gender alone. Apparently, a little above 1/3rd of NASA is female(even less so in other organizations). I could see very disastrous things occurring during the launch by a disgruntled male employee, or by a majority of the males quitting due to sexism.

The selection process would be based on strictly scientific, medical and individual hard factors. Perceived pseudo-issues are of zero relevancy.

4.) I do not want to exist in a world where survival is determined by gender and gender alone. We have had and will continue to have mixed sex societies. Biologically speaking(for Cis people), women tend to be more organized and smaller than men, allowing them to keep track of supplies and to get into areas the average man cannot. However, the average male is much more muscular and tend to have larger brains than the average female. The sexes are made to be complementary to one another. Men can do things women struggle with and vice versa. To solve the whole leader argument issue, make it a democracy. One person is selected based on skills and must overhear the opinions of every crewmate. Once on the planet, there can be more roles added and more laws made.

Survivial of the human race is determined by many factors. In this case it would be driven by absolute necessarities.

[Hathian Prime]

I do not want to exist in a world where survival is determined by gender and gender alone. We have had and will continue to have mixed sex societies. Biologically speaking(for Cis people), women tend to be more organized and smaller than men, allowing them to keep track of supplies and to get into areas the average man cannot. However, the average male is much more muscular and tend to have larger brains than the average female. The sexes are made to be complementary to one another. Men can do things women struggle with and vice versa. To solve the whole leader argument issue, make it a democracy. One person is selected based on skills and must overhear the opinions of every crewmate. Once on the planet, there can be more roles added and more laws made.

Addressing the cis people qualifier, that's not actually that necessary (except in part for physical size, as height can be variant). Trends in brain differences are generally preserved across trans people of a particular gender just as they would be for cis people, and trans people who have been medically transitioning for two years or more generally reflect the same trends as cis people metabolically and physiologically (at least for musculature).
Kind of a small point, I know, but I feel that that misconception should be cleared up.

I'm fully aware. I was referring to OP's scenario of an all-female space crew, not one a crew of mixed sexes. There's the chance some cis females wouldn't be comfortable with a pre-transition female being in the crew for various reasons(which could result in public accusations of transphobia). Again, not demeaning trans-people, but a pre-transition female would be useless in OP's scenario, as they cannot give birth or reproduce. I may be wrong on the latter one, but from what I understand is that if Transgenders take enough estrogen/testosterone treatments they become infertile. If we're talking about post-transition females, then you'd have to find one willing to be artificially inseminated, which could lower the already small candidate list even further for trans people(Most trans people have not transitioned yet and some may be unwilling or unable to give birth).

[Hathian Prime]

Not gonna happen. I have it on good authority that women like penis.

And I nearly forgot this but
5.) The country issue. Many nations would be mad if only one nationality of astronauts was sent to space. Granted, we can't put one female from, every nation into space as it would be so expensive and cost-consuming. And that also has the problem of the females from underdeveloped countries not having the expertise required to live on a spaceship. Hell, there may even be wars that would break out over this. Honestly, I have no clue how to solve this problem either.

If you're incapable of running a space program good luck going to war with a nation that is.

I meant between larger nations, my bad for not expanding further. China and Russia would definitely be miffed if America decided that only Americans can go colonize a world and may decide to go the Lobster way of thinking(I can't live so you won't either).

[Nakena]

I'm fully aware. I was referring to OP's scenario of an all-female space crew, not one a crew of mixed sexes. There's the chance some cis females wouldn't be comfortable with a pre-transition female being in the crew for various reasons(which could result in public accusations of transphobia). Again, not demeaning trans-people, but a pre-transition female would be useless in OP's scenario, as they cannot give birth or reproduce. I may be wrong on the latter one, but from what I understand is that if Transgenders take enough estrogen/testosterone treatments they become infertile. If we're talking about post-transition females, then you'd have to find one willing to be artificially inseminated, which could lower the already small candidate list even further for trans people(Most trans people have not transitioned yet and some may be unwilling or unable to give birth).

No they would only use biological females with full reproductive ability on practical grounds. Because those are required for the mission.

In space nobody cares about public accusations.

[The Jar Jar Jar of Jar Jar]

This scenario actually reminds me of a book that I read a while back, Seveneves.

The Moon blew up for some reason or another, and the mission planners chose to go with 3/4 females and 1/4 men for reasons like this.

Of course, compounded disasters one after the other resulted in the mission to space being reduced to a handful of women and no men.

One of the characters even proposed not bringing men back.

[Cekoviu]

Addressing the cis people qualifier, that's not actually that necessary (except in part for physical size, as height can be variant). Trends in brain differences are generally preserved across trans people of a particular gender just as they would be for cis people, and trans people who have been medically transitioning for two years or more generally reflect the same trends as cis people metabolically and physiologically (at least for musculature).
Kind of a small point, I know, but I feel that that misconception should be cleared up.

I'm fully aware. I was referring to OP's scenario of an all-female space crew, not one a crew of mixed sexes. There's the chance some cis females wouldn't be comfortable with a pre-transition female being in the crew for various reasons(which could result in public accusations of transphobia). Again, not demeaning trans-people, but a pre-transition female would be useless in OP's scenario, as they cannot give birth or reproduce. I may be wrong on the latter one, but from what I understand is that if Transgenders take enough estrogen/testosterone treatments they become infertile.

Trans women taking estrogen often become infertile, but trans men can usually still be fertilized and have biological children if they still have their original plumbing (they just have to stop taking testosterone supplements during pregnancy and I think breastfeeding).

If we're talking about post-transition females, then you'd have to find one willing to be artificially inseminated, which could lower the already small candidate list even further for trans people(Most trans people have not transitioned yet and some may be unwilling or unable to give birth).

I'm a bit confused by your terminology here. By post-transition females, do you mean trans women who have had sexual reassignment surgery or trans men? Post-op trans women unfortunately can't have uterine transplants and even if they could, they'd need someone else's egg. Most trans men seem to not be keen on having biological children, if that's what you mean, so that's correct.

[Hathian Prime]

Well, those women are out of commission for 9 months. Then, you have the problem of raising children.

You think women stop being able to work from the moment of conception? And in some places (USA comes to mind as a western nation) the woman is expected to get back to work within a few weeks of giving birth, while in others (some third world nations) she has no choice but to be back at work within a few days. Also, daycare is a thing that exists even here on Earth.

I've lived through three pregnancies in my short life here on Earth. Of course, I know better than to assume a woman is out of commission the moment conception happens. It is the problem that astronauts work with dangerous materials and scenarios that, while mildly dangerous to them, would be highly detrimental to the growth of a child. Also, note "few weeks". These few weeks can also result in death(nearly happened with my mom when she gave birth to me) and will decommission the woman for an extended period of time. If we were to have 25 men and 25 females(assuming the craft in question fits 50), the average male can do far more physical labor than the average female. I have no clue if NASA is the same as the military, but here we go. In the USMC, males must perform an absolute bare minimum of 3 pull-ups. Women do a 15-second hang. The youngest Male recruits are expected to complete a 3 mile run in under 30 minutes. The youngest females are given 31-32 minutes, which granted, isn't as big of a difference. But assuming NASA is similar in this regard, the males will be stronger than the females. This means that if 5 women go down with being pregnant, the men would be able to work overtime to replace these 5 women's tasks. Not only that, but we aren't factoring in the time it would take for the astronauts to recover from 7 months of zero-g.

[Hathian Prime]

I'm fully aware. I was referring to OP's scenario of an all-female space crew, not one a crew of mixed sexes. There's the chance some cis females wouldn't be comfortable with a pre-transition female being in the crew for various reasons(which could result in public accusations of transphobia). Again, not demeaning trans-people, but a pre-transition female would be useless in OP's scenario, as they cannot give birth or reproduce. I may be wrong on the latter one, but from what I understand is that if Transgenders take enough estrogen/testosterone treatments they become infertile.

Trans women taking estrogen often become infertile, but trans men can usually still be fertilized and have biological children if they still have their original plumbing (they just have to stop taking testosterone supplements during pregnancy and I think breastfeeding).

If we're talking about post-transition females, then you'd have to find one willing to be artificially inseminated, which could lower the already small candidate list even further for trans people(Most trans people have not transitioned yet and some may be unwilling or unable to give birth).

I'm a bit confused by your terminology here. By post-transition females, do you mean trans women who have had sexual reassignment surgery or trans men? Post-op trans women unfortunately can't have uterine transplants and even if they could, they'd need someone else's egg. Most trans men seem to not be keen on having biological children, if that's what you mean, so that's correct.

Was referring to post-op women. And dang, that sucks a ton. Hopefully the future will fix that if a post-op woman wants children.

[Nakena]

Trans women taking estrogen often become infertile, but trans men can usually still be fertilized and have biological children if they still have their original plumbing (they just have to stop taking testosterone supplements during pregnancy and I think breastfeeding).

I'm a bit confused by your terminology here. By post-transition females, do you mean trans women who have had sexual reassignment surgery or trans men? Post-op trans women unfortunately can't have uterine transplants and even if they could, they'd need someone else's egg. Most trans men seem to not be keen on having biological children, if that's what you mean, so that's correct.

Was referring to post-op women. And dang, that sucks a ton. Hopefully the future will fix that if a post-op woman wants children.

Probably once technology has sufficiently progressed people can be grown in vat tanks.