An all female future..

[Blueflarst]

Men are at the top of their field in many areas. So no I wouldn't gamble the success of a mission to save on caloric intake. I want the best of the best regardless of gender, race, religion, etcetera.

the only reasonable opinion i heard so far IN THIS discussion.

[The Two Jerseys]

How do they figure that women wouldn't fight over who's in charge? I seem to recall studies saying that women are even worse than men when it comes to that, the only difference is that they manipulate and stab each other in the back instead of just having a straight-up confrontation.

[Cekoviu]

How do they figure that women wouldn't fight over who's in charge? I seem to recall studies saying that women are even worse than men when it comes to that, the only difference is that they manipulate and stab each other in the back instead of just having a straight-up confrontation.

I love the sheer amount of sexist generalizations in this thread. Really makes u think

[Catigula]

How do they figure that women wouldn't fight over who's in charge? I seem to recall studies saying that women are even worse than men when it comes to that, the only difference is that they manipulate and stab each other in the back instead of just having a straight-up confrontation.

I love the sheer amount of sexist generalizations in this thread. Really makes u think

Humans are always generalizing, doesn’t it get so annoying? We cats never generalize.

[The Snazzylands]

Human beings would never get anything done with that kind of pessimistic attitude.

He is, however, not wrong. We do need better technology to live in space: at the very least, closed-loop life support -- food, water, and air, and not the leaky mess we've got now -- and better propulsion would be a big help too.

It would also help if we had some economically viable reason to be in space. "It's cool!" doesn't cut it. There probably are such reasons: mining things we're running out of on Earth, manufacturing in the vacuum and micro-gravity of space, etc, etc, but so far, nobody's turned a buck. (Other than comm sats and recon sats, which don't need people actually in space.)

I think that's mostly due to the vast amount of time and money that would have to go into building an off-world colony before it becomes profitable. Our current economic system is such that there is no incentive to making an investment that risky or of that size, considering that only our great-great-grandchildren would begin to benefit from it.

I love the sheer amount of sexist generalizations in this thread. Really makes u think

Humans are always generalizing, doesn’t it get so annoying? We cats never generalize.

Yeah, and look where that got you: being a bunch of freeloaders that can't even scoop your own litter boxes. What are you doing in this thread about NASA? How many space ships were built by cats? Oh that's right, ZERO. Y'all don't even have thumbs why tf are you using a computer? Go chase a shoelace or something lmao

[Northwest Slobovia]

How do they figure that women wouldn't fight over who's in charge? I seem to recall studies saying that women are even worse than men when it comes to that, the only difference is that they manipulate and stab each other in the back instead of just having a straight-up confrontation.

Eh, those studies are wrong. Both men and women use roughly the same approach: me first! But that is the truth: the old "boys hit, girls shun" stereotype fell apart when unbiased observers started watching interactions.

He is, however, not wrong. We do need better technology to live in space: at the very least, closed-loop life support -- food, water, and air, and not the leaky mess we've got now -- and better propulsion would be a big help too.

It would also help if we had some economically viable reason to be in space. "It's cool!" doesn't cut it. There probably are such reasons: mining things we're running out of on Earth, manufacturing in the vacuum and micro-gravity of space, etc, etc, but so far, nobody's turned a buck. (Other than comm sats and recon sats, which don't need people actually in space.)

I think that's mostly due to the vast amount of time and money that would have to go into building an off-world colony before it becomes profitable.

Yeah, well, most people don't like pouring buckets of money down the drain because somebody promises that in 500 years, it'll be profitable, trust me! See, when you look at mining colonies closer to home -- oil wells in Alaska's North Slope, iron mining in the Australian Outback -- people don't look for the vague hope of payoffs in a million years. They go in with a plan that has a good chance of paying off soon. If the best the space fans can come up with is a vague promise of eventually benefit, they're doing something wrong. Real mining towns -- and in fact, every place people have tried to live -- grew "organically", from small successes to bigger successes, or failed without costing hundreds of millions of people tens of trillions of dollars.

Our current economic system is such that there is no incentive to making an investment that risky or of that size, considering that only our great-great-grandchildren would begin to benefit from it.

Actually, I've worked for a company that pursued 50+ year courses of research. But that takes not only very deep pockets, it takes a lot of evidence that it will pay off. Dunno, maybe evidence and planning is the answer?

Edit: closer to the original topic, folks should look for a copy of "Houston, Houston, Do You Read?", by James Tiptree (Alice Sheldon) for a good SF treatment of the subject.

[Cekoviu]

I love the sheer amount of sexist generalizations in this thread. Really makes u think

Humans are always generalizing, doesn’t it get so annoying? We cats never generalize.

Is that because you're more moral, though, or because you cognitively can't do so?

[Lanoraie II]

How do they figure that women wouldn't fight over who's in charge? I seem to recall studies saying that women are even worse than men when it comes to that, the only difference is that they manipulate and stab each other in the back instead of just having a straight-up confrontation.

I love the sheer amount of sexist generalizations in this thread. Really makes u think

Woman here. That's not a sexist generalization, that's the reality for most common women. I'm in pretty male-dominated field and men are very quick to sort out who's in charge, while women will say "we're all equal " and then equally do absolutely nothing to help. (see: those documentaries/tv shows where they put a group of men and a group of women on an island and let them fend for themselves and the women do nothing--this has also been my experience camping out with other women. It's always me and my friend who are left actually doing stuff while they sit around and complain about the bugs or whatever.) My boss (who is an awesome woman) has tried to hire many women but they're usually let go within a month. There's a few women still working here, all of who are awesome, but for "some reason" women in my field really don't actually want to work and just want to pat themselves on the back for being a proud, brave vagina owner in a field of dongs. Also, they get into huge passive-aggressive, gossipy fights over the most minor of things and women will constantly question my authority as the leader. My men have never done that. The worst my male coworkers did was try and talk shit about a newcomer with EDS who was struggling in our slightly physically demanding job. I quickly reminded them my brother also has EDS and I will not tolerate them being rude, and that it doesn't matter that he was slower than others anyway, our job isn't timed or on a tight schedule by any means, and they should have sympathy because he's in a lot of pain and still giving it his all.

[Cekoviu]

I love the sheer amount of sexist generalizations in this thread. Really makes u think

Woman here. That's not a sexist generalization, that's the reality for most common women. I'm in pretty male-dominated field and men are very quick to sort out who's in charge, while women will say "we're all equal " and then equally do absolutely nothing to help. (see: those documentaries/tv shows where they put a group of men and a group of women on an island and let them fend for themselves and the women do nothing--this has also been my experience camping out with other women. It's always me and my friend who are left actually doing stuff while they sit around and complain about the bugs or whatever.) My boss (who is an awesome woman) has tried to hire many women but they're usually let go within a month. There's a few women still working here, all of who are awesome, but for "some reason" women in my field really don't actually want to work and just want to pat themselves on the back for being a proud, brave vagina owner in a field of dongs. Also, they get into huge passive-aggressive, gossipy fights over the most minor of things and women will constantly question my authority as the leader. My men have never done that. The worst my male coworkers did was try and talk shit about a newcomer with EDS who was struggling in our slightly physically demanding job. I quickly reminded them my brother also has EDS and I will not tolerate them being rude, and that it doesn't matter that he was slower than others anyway, our job isn't timed or on a tight schedule by any means, and they should have sympathy because he's in a lot of pain and still giving it his all.

Also a woman. Being a woman doesn't make you immune from sexism, and perceptions of general trends in your life which may or may not be accurate do not allow you to make crudely constructed sweeping statements about the entire 4 billion people belonging to each of the discussed genders.

[Based Groyper]

Women burn less calories because they're weaker, shorter etc. duh. They're also deficient in the sorts of high endurance of stress and quick reaction times needed on a space voyage.

[Cekoviu]

Women burn less calories because they're weaker, shorter etc. duh. They're also deficient in the sorts of high endurance of stress and quick reaction times needed on a space voyage.

Haven't laughed this hard in a while.

[Based Groyper]

Women burn less calories because they're weaker, shorter etc. duh. They're also deficient in the sorts of high endurance of stress and quick reaction times needed on a space voyage.

Haven't laughed this hard in a while.

Now you see the funny side.

[Scomagia]

What a stupid proposal. While women do consume less on average, the rest is sexist garbage.

"Women will do better cuz they don't fight about who's in charge."
*snicker* Sure they don't. Girls are sugar, spice, and everything nice. No cunty backstabbing or power jockeying. No, ma'am.

[The Blaatschapen]

Woman here. That's not a sexist generalization, that's the reality for most common women. I'm in pretty male-dominated field and men are very quick to sort out who's in charge, while women will say "we're all equal " and then equally do absolutely nothing to help. (see: those documentaries/tv shows where they put a group of men and a group of women on an island and let them fend for themselves and the women do nothing--this has also been my experience camping out with other women. It's always me and my friend who are left actually doing stuff while they sit around and complain about the bugs or whatever.) My boss (who is an awesome woman) has tried to hire many women but they're usually let go within a month. There's a few women still working here, all of who are awesome, but for "some reason" women in my field really don't actually want to work and just want to pat themselves on the back for being a proud, brave vagina owner in a field of dongs. Also, they get into huge passive-aggressive, gossipy fights over the most minor of things and women will constantly question my authority as the leader. My men have never done that. The worst my male coworkers did was try and talk shit about a newcomer with EDS who was struggling in our slightly physically demanding job. I quickly reminded them my brother also has EDS and I will not tolerate them being rude, and that it doesn't matter that he was slower than others anyway, our job isn't timed or on a tight schedule by any means, and they should have sympathy because he's in a lot of pain and still giving it his all.

Also a woman. Being a woman doesn't make you immune from sexism, and perceptions of general trends in your life which may or may not be accurate do not allow you to make crudely constructed sweeping statements about the entire 4 billion people belonging to each of the discussed genders.

That makes me wonder, how much calories do people not on the binary burn?

[Hurdergaryp]

Also a woman. Being a woman doesn't make you immune from sexism, and perceptions of general trends in your life which may or may not be accurate do not allow you to make crudely constructed sweeping statements about the entire 4 billion people belonging to each of the discussed genders.

That makes me wonder, how much calories do people not on the binary burn?

Simplifying things to what is essentially a fuel question seems to be, for lack of a better word, rather simplistic.

[Northwest Slobovia]

That makes me wonder, how much calories do people not on the binary burn?

Simplifying things to what is essentially a fuel question seems to be, for lack of a better word, rather simplistic.

Given the limitations of today's spaceflight technology, it's perfectly reasonable. Chemical rockets have a low mass fraction, so kilos to Mars takes tons of fuel at launch. Closed-loop carbon cycling -- growing food aboard a ship or station -- would solve the problem, but we don't have that working.

It can't be the only criterion, but worrying about isn't entirely silly. 'course, one could point out that robots don't eat, drink, or breathe, but only people seriously interested in space exploration seem to care about that.

[Scomagia]

That makes me wonder, how much calories do people not on the binary burn?

Simplifying things to what is essentially a fuel question seems to be, for lack of a better word, rather simplistic.

It's perfectly reasonable to break down a complicated mission like spaceflight into hard numbers. It's actually required given the precision needed to make such things work.

[Cekoviu]

Also a woman. Being a woman doesn't make you immune from sexism, and perceptions of general trends in your life which may or may not be accurate do not allow you to make crudely constructed sweeping statements about the entire 4 billion people belonging to each of the discussed genders.

That makes me wonder, how much calories do people not on the binary burn?

Possibly less than both, since they are likely going to have hormones suppressed.

[Saiwania]

The worst my male coworkers did was try and talk shit about a newcomer with EDS who was struggling in our slightly physically demanding job. I quickly reminded them my brother also has EDS and I will not tolerate them being rude, and that it doesn't matter that he was slower than others anyway, our job isn't timed or on a tight schedule by any means, and they should have sympathy because he's in a lot of pain and still giving it his all.

Real life abhors weakness of any sort in my experience. If a job is physically demanding in any way and objectively speaking, the person with a disability isn't keeping up or is slowing other people down, they just aren't a good fit for that job and an unscrupulous employer is of course- going to look for a way to fire them. A competitor who can produce more in less time is going to make more money than the company that hires people who can't get the work done as effectively.

Most businesses can't be bothered with someone who is too young or too old, because they can't make as much money from them as someone still in the prime of their life or has some stellar resume and talents that'd translate to bringing in more money.

[Pacomia]

I love the sheer amount of sexist generalizations in this thread. Really makes u think

Humans are always generalizing, doesn’t it get so annoying? We cats never generalize.

Yeah, and look where that got you: being a bunch of freeloaders that can't even scoop your own litter boxes. What are you doing in this thread about NASA? How many space ships were built by cats? Oh that's right, ZERO. Y'all don't even have thumbs why tf are you using a computer? Go chase a shoelace or something lmao

yeah go get that laser pointer over there
*directs laser pointer to space so that cat can go eat all the humans*

[Betoni]

Simplifying things to what is essentially a fuel question seems to be, for lack of a better word, rather simplistic.

It's perfectly reasonable to break down a complicated mission like spaceflight into hard numbers. It's actually required given the precision needed to make such things work.

The scenario in the OP relies on the fact that Earth was in serious and immediate danger, thus negating any need for saving resources. If the nutrients required for a trip with male passengers were to seriously affect the likelihood of success sure, I'd go with all female crew if this was the only consideration.

[Carenzia]

The entire situation is bullcrap, this isn't something anyone should consider. You need both sexes or it is guaranteed to fail. What really confuses me is that this is something that people think about, and if it is that annoying; get mad at (I am leaning toward the second). This isn't something PEOPLE should be arguing about. We need to stop acting like this is a scenario such as the Titanic and start doing things together and stop making people get more than others, meaning more rights and more privileges than each other. That is my full opinion, and I made a post earlier as a more straight-forward approach.

[Samadhi]

It's pretty embarrassing when calories are the only measure someone has of making your gender seem superior.