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I would..

..wave them off with tears in my eyes
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15%
..object strenuously to this fascist feminism
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35%
..sabotage the flight.. we all go down with the ship
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8%
..demand Hasselhoff at least be included to represent mankind
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17%
..demand a global poll be set up so I can click accordingly
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3%
..furiously discuss on NSG
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12%
..other
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10%
 
Total votes : 209

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Vetalia
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Postby Vetalia » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:30 pm

I suspect they could find enough in the caloric budget to bring along one man who could perform this duty with much more viable sperm than a bunch of frozen samples that could be destroyed, degraded or lost in the journey. He could even give a speech before he leaves:

"Today, I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the Earth"
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:31 pm

Chan Island wrote:Aw, shucks. Do I at least get to go along? :p

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Well, we can still have Fully Automated Luxury Lesbian Space Communism at least.

I'm getting on that shit, hell or high water.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:36 pm

Vetalia wrote:I suspect they could find enough in the caloric budget to bring along one man who could perform this duty with much more viable sperm than a bunch of frozen samples that could be destroyed, degraded or lost in the journey. He could even give a speech before he leaves:

"Today, I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the Earth"

That probably won't work for genetic diversity reasons.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:37 pm

Galloism wrote:
Vetalia wrote:I suspect they could find enough in the caloric budget to bring along one man who could perform this duty with much more viable sperm than a bunch of frozen samples that could be destroyed, degraded or lost in the journey. He could even give a speech before he leaves:

"Today, I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the Earth"

That probably won't work for genetic diversity reasons.

It wouldn’t.
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Postby Chan Island » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:37 pm

Vetalia wrote:I suspect they could find enough in the caloric budget to bring along one man who could perform this duty with much more viable sperm than a bunch of frozen samples that could be destroyed, degraded or lost in the journey. He could even give a speech before he leaves:

"Today, I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the Earth"


*off the face of the Earth.

They won't be on it, damn it!
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:40 pm

Versail wrote:Like aside from the sperm thing the rest seems biased.


That's because it is. The "men would bicker over who is in charge" makes it blatantly obvious.
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Postby Vetalia » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:49 pm



Alas!
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:50 pm

Vetalia wrote:


Alas!

Damn science, ruining utopias.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:50 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:That probably won't work for genetic diversity reasons.

It wouldn’t.

That's really interesting, but why are they only allowed to have one child each?

The population of 2000 gets halved over time, which is not good. And though the smaller populations (150 and 500) look as if they survived better, that's partially because those populations had to have looser birth restrictions: Whereas in the simulations, the larger populations were allowed to have only one child per couple, the smaller populations allowed a couple to have two or three children to ensure the survival of the community. In the end, the growth cancelled out the disastrous effects. And if we take a look at the original 10 simulations for the 150-person starship (see graph below), we can see that three of the populations were totally wiped out. For 500 people, only one population got wiped out, and the risk of a wipeout gets smaller as population size goes up. The takeaway is that for both factors (genetic diversity and catastrophe survival), bigger populations are better.


Doesn't that by default halve the population every generation?
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:52 pm

An all-female world is something that I wouldn't mind having on earth, so I'd be all for all-female space colonization.
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Postby US-SSR » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:53 pm

Bombadil wrote:3 points..

1. Kate Greene participated in a mock Mars mission and found that female crew members expended less than half the calories of the male crew members. Less than half! They were all exercising roughly the same amount—at least 45 minutes a day for five consecutive days a week—but their metabolic furnaces were calibrated in radically different ways.

During one week, the most metabolically active male burned an average of 3,450 calories per day, while the least metabolically active female expended 1,475 calories per day. It was rare for a woman on crew to burn 2,000 calories in a day and common for male crew members to exceed 3,000.

The calorie requirements of an astronaut matter significantly when planning a mission. The more food a person needs to maintain her weight on a long space journey, the more food should launch with her. The more food launched, the heavier the payload. The heavier the payload, the more fuel required to blast it into orbit and beyond. The more fuel required, the more expensive the launch becomes.

2. New research from Dexeus Women’s Health in Barcelona shows that once sperm is collected and frozen, it can survive in microgravity with no ill effects.

3. Nasa looked into this years ago, according to Helen Sharman, the first Briton in space. She told an audience in 2017 that the US commissioned a secret study into long-term space travel, which recommended that to stop people having sex, “the crew should be the same gender: all men or all women”. Apparently women were the better choice, because men would quarrel about who was in charge.


So given a situation where the earth was truly in trouble and we had one shot of escaping this planet with long term space travel, our best bet is to have an all-female crew with frozen sperm.

Given this was the case, would you accept this, that only females be selected for the escape or would you object if not attempt to sabotage and have humanity wiped out regardless?


Women would be the better choice, because men would be sexually assaulting each other inside of a week.

Be that as it may no human being should go into space. There is nothing that advanced probes cannot do that humans can, and probes don't die from cosmic radiation, muscular atrophy or asphixiation after micrometeorites turn their space sprocket into Swiss cheese.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:53 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Versail wrote:Like aside from the sperm thing the rest seems biased.


That's because it is. The "men would bicker over who is in charge" makes it blatantly obvious.


Take it up with NASA.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:53 pm

US-SSR wrote:Women would be the better choice, because men would be sexually assaulting each other inside of a week.

Be that as it may no human being should go into space. There is nothing that advanced probes cannot do that humans can, and probes don't die from cosmic radiation, muscular atrophy or asphixiation after micrometeorites turn their space sprocket into Swiss cheese.

Someone needs to put some security cameras in the international space station, stat.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Inkopolitia » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:53 pm

Coming from a female, this is sexist, in a way
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Postby US-SSR » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:54 pm

Galloism wrote:
US-SSR wrote:Women would be the better choice, because men would be sexually assaulting each other inside of a week.

Be that as it may no human being should go into space. There is nothing that advanced probes cannot do that humans can, and probes don't die from cosmic radiation, muscular atrophy or asphixiation after micrometeorites turn their space sprocket into Swiss cheese.

Someone needs to put some security cameras in the international space station, stat.


Amateur porn in space, works for me. :twisted:
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Postby Galloism » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:55 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
That's because it is. The "men would bicker over who is in charge" makes it blatantly obvious.


Take it up with NASA.

Governments (and scientists) come to bigoted results sometimes, based on what they were looking for. It happens.

The program quickly lays out the essential elements of the story. A 1925 War Department study concluded that blacks were temperamentally and biologically unsuited to become pilots.


https://www.historynet.com/wwii-review- ... airmen.htm

Then again, they studied it. It must be true.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:57 pm

Inkopolitia wrote:Coming from a female, this is sexist, in a way

Does being female make you more qualified to speak as to whether something is sexist? :eyebrow:
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Postby Inkopolitia » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:58 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:Coming from a female, this is sexist, in a way

Does being female make you more qualified to speak as to whether something is sexist? :eyebrow:

I should've clarified that, yes. Just wanted to throw my two cents ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:59 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:That probably won't work for genetic diversity reasons.

It wouldn’t.


That's why frozen sperm for the win, dramatically lowers the head count.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:00 pm

Inkopolitia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Does being female make you more qualified to speak as to whether something is sexist? :eyebrow:

I should've clarified that, yes. Just wanted to throw my two cents ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It does not, by the way.
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Postby Inkopolitia » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:00 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:I should've clarified that, yes. Just wanted to throw my two cents ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It does not, by the way.

And when did I say I did? I kinda could see why I was wrong, but still, this in my opinion is sexist
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:03 pm

Galloism wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Take it up with NASA.

Governments (and scientists) come to bigoted results sometimes, based on what they were looking for. It happens.

The program quickly lays out the essential elements of the story. A 1925 War Department study concluded that blacks were temperamentally and biologically unsuited to become pilots.


https://www.historynet.com/wwii-review- ... airmen.htm

Then again, they studied it. It must be true.


This one's further compromised in that we can't see it given it's an alleged secret study by NASA, so we can't really say much about it either way to be fair.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:04 pm

Bombadil wrote:


That's why frozen sperm for the win, dramatically lowers the head count.

But I want my generation ships… :(
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Postby WayNeacTia » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:07 pm

NERVUN wrote:Earth is truly in trouble and we are tying to make our mark in the stars and survive as a species...

Captain Jane T. Kirk has just as good of a ring as any I suppose....


I do believe you may have just won the internet here Nerv.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:07 pm

Kowani wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
That's why frozen sperm for the win, dramatically lowers the head count.

But I want my generation ships… :(


So do I, I do remember reading somewhere that we might not have the resources to build a proper generation ship, beyond needing to build in space in the first place. We definitely need to colonise Mars toute suite.
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