An all female future..

[Galloism]

Sure, some. Heavy construction would be helpful to have machines (a solar powered backhoe and crane would be extensively useful). But without the upper body strength of a couple average men (or a couple of really big not so average women, who would eat like men anyway), you’ll need a lot more machines than a digger and a crane, because of all the smaller work.

A lot of machines are going to be needed anyway, because it's not as if the other worlds in our solar system are even remotely habitable.

Not as much as you think - you'll definitely need a few couple drills and a... as yet uninvented leak detector that will work in that environment, plus the aforementioned backhoe and crane.

The harder part is the materials.

Edit: and hammers. You're going to need a few different types of hammers.

[Hirota]

We could pick any arbitary factor and exclude others to determine whatever we really want.

Given women are supposedly more vulnerable to radiation, and the dose of radiation you'd get from the seven month journey to Mars we obviously shouldn't send any women.

I'm not being serious, but rather demonstrating how factor x whilst ignoring the hundreds of other variables is dumb.

[Cekoviu]

Even ignoring the issue with disqualifying an entire half of the human population from going to Mars because a trial showed that astronauts of the group consume more calories on average, there are some issues with this too.
- There'd have to be a pre-established place on Mars with sperm bank-like conditions or the astronauts would have to immediately fertilize themselves after arriving (and hope to God that they get a couple male children).
- You'd have to have only fertile, cis female astronauts, which could disqualify some candidates.
- You'd need a diverse pool of sperm to make sure the population stays genetically diverse.
- Humans shouldn't try to establish a colony on Mars in the first place.

Also, my heart is warmed by the Hasselhoff option being 2nd.

[Araraukar]

- Humans shouldn't try to establish a colony on Mars in the first place.

Honestly, ^this. We're in the process of ruining one planet. Let's not spread the disease called human species onto other planets.

But if we must send someone, rather than sending women and sperm, we should figure out how to artificially create embryos from genetic material donated by two females, and then we could do away with needing two sexes to begin with...

[Hatterleigh]

Just seems silly to only include women instead of just any qualified candidates. Plus, the children will need father figures, and men are more resistant to radiation and on a less important note more physically able. It is important to have both genders, because our minds often think differently from one another and it is important to have that contrast.


Also colonizing the stars for any purpose other than if earth is gonna blow up is stupid. Incredibly dumb. I am thoroughly convinced that the sole purpose this idea has got so much attention is because of all the manchildren obsessed with star wars. Space benefits us by supplying ores, the mining of which would be primarily autonomous in theory. We shouldn't want people to live on other planets, it wouldn't be good for them and it would be wasting money for us.

[Skarten]

Apparently women were the better choice, because men would quarrel about who was in charge.

[Araraukar]

Plus, the children will need father figures

Source? EDIT: Single-mother kids and kids of lesbian couples grow up just fine without father figures.

Also, you can have different genders even with an all-female crew, as sex =/= gender.

[Hurdergaryp]

A lot of machines are going to be needed anyway, because it's not as if the other worlds in our solar system are even remotely habitable.

Not as much as you think - you'll definitely need a few couple drills and a... as yet uninvented leak detector that will work in that environment, plus the aforementioned backhoe and crane.

The harder part is the materials.

Edit: and hammers. You're going to need a few different types of hammers.

You always need hammers, for every time is hammer time.

[Cekoviu]

But if we must send someone, rather than sending women and sperm, we should figure out how to artificially create embryos from genetic material donated by two females, and then we could do away with needing two sexes to begin with...

Karim Nayernia did some work on this around ten years ago, where it was shown that bone marrow could be used to reproduce between two females despite some complications. There'd still be potentially some men or at least males in existence because of cisgender women with androgen insensitivity syndrome (they'd possibly pass on the Y chromosome), and if infertile transgender women can have this methodology applied, they'd also cause that. If women choose to have children with the males produced from those situations -- assuming they're even fertile -- it could end up destabilizing the female-only order, which would make its application towards the eradication of males somewhat less effective.

[Araraukar]

because of cisgender women with androgen insensitivity syndrome (they'd possibly pass on the Y chromosome), and if infertile transgender women can have this methodology applied, they'd also cause that.

I thought the androgen insensitivity syndrome didn't actually enable you to have a working set of ovaries and womb? And also, sending infertile people to set up a colony would be a waste of resources. Which is also why sending men would be a waste of resources.

...I guess we could alternatively figure out a way for men to also get pregant to make them worth the resources they burn through, but I think it'd be easier to figure out how to bypass the chromosomal imprinting issue.

[Cekoviu]

because of cisgender women with androgen insensitivity syndrome (they'd possibly pass on the Y chromosome), and if infertile transgender women can have this methodology applied, they'd also cause that.

I thought the androgen insensitivity syndrome didn't actually enable you to have a working set of ovaries and womb?

I don't actually 100% recall, but they should at least be able to provide bone marrow for reproduction in that system.

And also, sending infertile people to set up a colony would be a waste of resources. Which is also why sending men would be a waste of resources.

I mean yeah, that's fair, but you can't always tell if somebody actually is infertile without getting them checked. That seems like a waste of resources too, but maybe it'd be worth it.

...I guess we could alternatively figure out a way for men to also get pregant to make them worth the resources they burn through, but I think it'd be easier to figure out how to bypass the chromosomal imprinting issue.

You'd have to always give cis men C-sections, though, because the alternative is...

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I’d prefer a diverse future. With women (trans), men (trans), non-binary, gender fluid people.

[Galloism]

Not as much as you think - you'll definitely need a few couple drills and a... as yet uninvented leak detector that will work in that environment, plus the aforementioned backhoe and crane.

The harder part is the materials.

Edit: and hammers. You're going to need a few different types of hammers.

You always need hammers, for every time is hammer time.

Also, we should completely design the lunar/mars base before anyone leaves, so we only take the tools we need.

And a couple extra hammers, because you need to have hammertime.

[Hammer Britannia]

Did somebody say Hammer?

[Cekoviu]

Did somebody say Hammer?

Sledge is better; you can use it for GoldSource too!

[The South Falls]

There's a duality of the sexes, some roles that men are better at performing. Men will never be rendered obsolete.. Also, if we are starting space-colonies, won't men be needed to procreate?

[The South Falls]

Did somebody say Hammer?

Sledge is better; you can use it for GoldSource too!

Who needs that old new-fangled bullshit? Good ol' hammers will do the trick. Just nail the source in.

[Hammer Britannia]

There's a duality of the sexes, some roles that men are better at performing. Men will never be rendered obsolete.. Also, if we are starting space-colonies, won't men be needed to procreate?

Well, we could clone sperm. But that would lead to so much incest it would create a Space Alabama-Austria

Or we could send sperm up into space, but that would just be ridiculously expensive and dumb when you could just have men in your colony.

tl;dr: The benefits of having a duo-sex society are much better than a mono-sex society.

[Hatterleigh]

Plus, the children will need father figures

Source?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/200 ... nsservices
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10. ... .tb01014.x
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... arent.html
There is more than enough evidence that single parenting is harmful.

[Hatterleigh]

There's a duality of the sexes, some roles that men are better at performing. Men will never be rendered obsolete.. Also, if we are starting space-colonies, won't men be needed to procreate?

Well, we could clone sperm. But that would lead to so much incest it would create a Space Alabama-Austria

Or we could send sperm up into space, but that would just be ridiculously expensive and dumb when you could just have men in your colony.

tl;dr: The benefits of having a duo-sex society are much better than a mono-sex society.

How expensive would it be to send sperm into space?

[The South Falls]

There's a duality of the sexes, some roles that men are better at performing. Men will never be rendered obsolete.. Also, if we are starting space-colonies, won't men be needed to procreate?

Well, we could clone sperm. But that would lead to so much incest it would create a Space Alabama-Austria

Or we could send sperm up into space, but that would just be ridiculously expensive and dumb when you could just have men in your colony.

tl;dr: The benefits of having a duo-sex society are much better than a mono-sex society.

Sex provides dopamine and morale. Only issue is spacecels.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Well, we could clone sperm. But that would lead to so much incest it would create a Space Alabama-Austria

Or we could send sperm up into space, but that would just be ridiculously expensive and dumb when you could just have men in your colony.

tl;dr: The benefits of having a duo-sex society are much better than a mono-sex society.

Sex provides dopamine and morale. Only issue is spacecels.

We aren’t even there yet and you’re already anticipating spacecels? South Falls for lunar council.

[Bluelight-R006]

Well, we could clone sperm. But that would lead to so much incest it would create a Space Alabama-Austria

Or we could send sperm up into space, but that would just be ridiculously expensive and dumb when you could just have men in your colony.

tl;dr: The benefits of having a duo-sex society are much better than a mono-sex society.

How expensive would it be to send sperm into space?

Arranging for a Mission to space itself is quite expensive

It would be quite messed up if all of ‘Humanity II’ were created from incest. Plus, like I already said, and someone else already built on, it’s much more logical to send in the best and brightest (which could include men), and not just simply say send women because they’re ‘much more diplomatic.’

[Hammer Britannia]

Well, we could clone sperm. But that would lead to so much incest it would create a Space Alabama-Austria

Or we could send sperm up into space, but that would just be ridiculously expensive and dumb when you could just have men in your colony.

tl;dr: The benefits of having a duo-sex society are much better than a mono-sex society.

How expensive would it be to send sperm into space?

The cost of a rocket strong enough to send one pound+ of stuff (Sperm, freezers, stuff that blocks the radiation of space, etc) to Mars. Which is currently $27,000 per pound according to SpaceX. That cost is going to pile up as the sperm bank runs dry.

This wouldn't be a problem if it were just 5 people chilling on mars, but this is supposed to be a society and not some tiny house filled with people who are now questioning if they are lesbian just from lack of sex alone.

[Blueflarst]

Such plane, very frozen sperm, much abomination, gonna shut down it unless i go inside