by Bombadil » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:13 pm
by NERVUN » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:16 pm
by Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:20 pm
by Galloism » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:20 pm
Apparently women were the better choice, because men would quarrel about who was in charge.
by Versail » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:21 pm
by Bluelight-R006 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:23 pm
by Heloin » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:23 pm
Galloism wrote:Given anywhere we go is going to require a fair amount of high strength manual labor to get started, you’ll probably need at least a few men anyway for efficiency of construction’s sake.Apparently women were the better choice, because men would quarrel about who was in charge.
That’s a very sexist conclusion, and, perhaps more importantly, almost certainly untrue as well.
by Galloism » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:26 pm
Heloin wrote:Galloism wrote:Given anywhere we go is going to require a fair amount of high strength manual labor to get started, you’ll probably need at least a few men anyway for efficiency of construction’s sake.
That’s a very sexist conclusion, and, perhaps more importantly, almost certainly untrue as well.
*needs big strong men in order to build the future*
*calls the little joke very sexist*
You're sending mixed signals here.
by Bombadil » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:27 pm
Galloism wrote:Given anywhere we go is going to require a fair amount of high strength manual labor to get started, you’ll probably need at least a few men anyway for efficiency of construction’s sake.
Apparently women were the better choice, because men would quarrel about who was in charge.
That’s a very sexist conclusion, and, perhaps more importantly, almost certainly untrue as well.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:27 pm
by Bluelight-R006 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:28 pm
Apparently women were the better choice, because men would quarrel about who was in charge.
by United States of Americanas » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:28 pm
Galloism wrote:Given anywhere we go is going to require a fair amount of high strength manual labor to get started, you’ll probably need at least a few men anyway for efficiency of construction’s sake.Apparently women were the better choice, because men would quarrel about who was in charge.
That’s a very sexist conclusion, and, perhaps more importantly, almost certainly untrue as well.
by Neanderthaland » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:29 pm
by Bluelight-R006 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:30 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:It wouldn't be an all female future forever, as some of those frozen sperm will have a Y chromosome.
by Heloin » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:33 pm
Galloism wrote:Heloin wrote:*needs big strong men in order to build the future*
*calls the little joke very sexist*
You're sending mixed signals here.
High strength labor is something men are better at statistically, just like lower caloric intake is in fact true regarding women. You’ll notice I didn’t take issue with that undeniable fact in the OP.
A lot of that has to do with testosterone, but it’s basic biology. There’s a concept called sexual dimorphism - learn it, love it.
The notion that men argue more or less than women has no basis in biology or fact, however. At least, not that I’ve observed.
And it wasn’t a joke - it was a NASA official conclusion.
by Bombadil » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:34 pm
Neanderthaland wrote:How are we ever going to achieve Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism now?
by Galloism » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:35 pm
That’s a very sexist conclusion, and, perhaps more importantly, almost certainly untrue as well.
There's a good couple of documentaries called.. amm.. *googles* Boys Alone and Girls Alone..
..let's just say it's the boys who utterly destroy the house.
by Kowani » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:36 pm
Bombadil wrote:3 points..
1. Kate Greene participated in a mock Mars mission and found that female crew members expended less than half the calories of the male crew members. Less than half! They were all exercising roughly the same amount—at least 45 minutes a day for five consecutive days a week—but their metabolic furnaces were calibrated in radically different ways.
During one week, the most metabolically active male burned an average of 3,450 calories per day, while the least metabolically active female expended 1,475 calories per day. It was rare for a woman on crew to burn 2,000 calories in a day and common for male crew members to exceed 3,000.
The calorie requirements of an astronaut matter significantly when planning a mission. The more food a person needs to maintain her weight on a long space journey, the more food should launch with her. The more food launched, the heavier the payload. The heavier the payload, the more fuel required to blast it into orbit and beyond. The more fuel required, the more expensive the launch becomes.
2. New research from Dexeus Women’s Health in Barcelona shows that once sperm is collected and frozen, it can survive in microgravity with no ill effects.
3. Nasa looked into this years ago, according to Helen Sharman, the first Briton in space. She told an audience in 2017 that the US commissioned a secret study into long-term space travel, which recommended that to stop people having sex, “the crew should be the same gender: all men or all women”. Apparently women were the better choice, because men would quarrel about who was in charge.
So given a situation where the earth was truly in trouble and we had one shot of escaping this planet with long term space travel, our best bet is to have an all-female crew with frozen sperm.
Given this was the case, would you accept this, that only females be selected for the escape or would you object if not attempt to sabotage and have humanity wiped out regardless?
by LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:36 pm
by Pyta » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:37 pm
by Galloism » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:39 pm
United States of Americanas wrote:Galloism wrote:Given anywhere we go is going to require a fair amount of high strength manual labor to get started, you’ll probably need at least a few men anyway for efficiency of construction’s sake.
That’s a very sexist conclusion, and, perhaps more importantly, almost certainly untrue as well.
I’m on a boat, I’m not arguing who the captain of the boat is. Why? Because I have a thing called maturity.
Also, sending only woman as stated above would doom the mission. Women are not well suited for extremely labor intensive jobs and many would refuse even if capable to lift hundred pound items and do 30 12 hour work days of spot welding and building.
Do I agree that woman are better in leadership? Yes and no. In political leadership yes. But in leading a spacecraft people all need to equally share in the responsibility of handling the mission and there should be rotating delegations of different tasks.
Captain Jane Doe dies after a malfunction in her spacesuit. Nobody else is trained in the captaining of the ship because nobody was given a rotation as captain. Mutiny happens and everyone dies.
Or
An equal amount of men and women are sent aboard the ship. Each week the captain role is handed to a willing volunteer by lottery drawn from a helmet. The last weeks captains name is not entered in the helmet. Many people have experience in captaining the ship. If the head captain dies it is no big deal because other people have experienced the captain role and know how to carry out all tasks on the ship.
by Costa Fierro » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:41 pm
by Galloism » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:41 pm
by Bombadil » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:42 pm
Galloism wrote:Bombadil wrote:
Once there they can make some men with the frozen sperm..
And after 15 years or so, you’ll have some. That’s really not fast enough.
Humans don’t grow very fast.
There's a good couple of documentaries called.. amm.. *googles* Boys Alone and Girls Alone..
..let's just say it's the boys who utterly destroy the house.
I’d say comparing a bunch of idle boys to grown men selected for a mission in such a manner is disingenuous. It’s akin to me studying caterpillars and determining based on that that butterflies can’t fly.
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