What possible reason could you have to put your own career on the line on the off-chance the warning system happens to maybe be wrong (which your employers have entrusted you with the task of observing and responding to without question)
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by Purgatio » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:26 am
by Thermodolia » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:28 am
by The New California Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:28 am
Purgatio wrote:The New California Republic wrote:That's you. You are not me.
What possible reason could you have to put your own career on the line on the off-chance the warning system happens to maybe be wrong (which your employers have entrusted you with the task of observing and responding to without question)
by Purgatio » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:30 am
Thermodolia wrote:Purgatio wrote:
I'm not losing my job (or worse) or seeing my country get nuked without the capacity to retaliate on the off-chance the warning system is wrong
There’s no harm in having the missiles confirmed. Because even if they are real there’s no stopping them. It would take way less than 8 minutes to confirm it.
by Purgatio » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:31 am
The New California Republic wrote:Purgatio wrote:
What possible reason could you have to put your own career on the line on the off-chance the warning system happens to maybe be wrong (which your employers have entrusted you with the task of observing and responding to without question)
Read my responses and you will find out.
by The New California Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:32 am
Purgatio wrote:Thermodolia wrote:There’s no harm in having the missiles confirmed. Because even if they are real there’s no stopping them. It would take way less than 8 minutes to confirm it.
Confirmed? Confirmed through what, the point of the warning system is to detect and indicate whether or not missiles are headed straight for Soviet territory, from the US, and your one job is to observe the warning system and inform Soviet High Command if the reading is positive. So just do it. The decision whether or not to retaliate is Soviet High Command's, as a military officer you don't have the right to unilaterally countermand your superior's orders or just decide not to do your job and your duty because you 'feel' like the system 'might', 'possibly' be wrong
by The New California Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:34 am
by Purgatio » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:34 am
The New California Republic wrote:Purgatio wrote:
Confirmed? Confirmed through what, the point of the warning system is to detect and indicate whether or not missiles are headed straight for Soviet territory, from the US, and your one job is to observe the warning system and inform Soviet High Command if the reading is positive. So just do it. The decision whether or not to retaliate is Soviet High Command's, as a military officer you don't have the right to unilaterally countermand your superior's orders or just decide not to do your job and your duty because you 'feel' like the system 'might', 'possibly' be wrong
There are several different components to an EW system that confirms detections by the other components you know...
by Purgatio » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:34 am
by The New California Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:35 am
Purgatio wrote:The New California Republic wrote:There are several different components to an EW system that confirms detections by the other components you know...
You mentioned the Duga OTH radar, which Soviet High Command is probably going to check anyway. I don't see the value of reporting your doubts about the accuracy of the warning system's indication, your job is just to report positive readings and let Soviet High Command make their own decision, which will likely include confirming detections using these other components irregardless of what you say or recommend
by The New California Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:36 am
Purgatio wrote:The New California Republic wrote:Brand new systems, including military ones, have a tendency to have rollout glitches. This system was implemented mere days ago, so the odds of glitches are high.
Sure, so report the positive reading and let Soviet High Command decide at their own discretion how much weight to place on it
by Purgatio » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:36 am
The New California Republic wrote:Purgatio wrote:
You mentioned the Duga OTH radar, which Soviet High Command is probably going to check anyway. I don't see the value of reporting your doubts about the accuracy of the warning system's indication, your job is just to report positive readings and let Soviet High Command make their own decision, which will likely include confirming detections using these other components irregardless of what you say or recommend
An officer has a duty to report any potential malfunctions. That is all that I am doing...
by The New California Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:39 am
Purgatio wrote:The New California Republic wrote:An officer has a duty to report any potential malfunctions. That is all that I am doing...
But you're not telling Soviet High Command anything they don't know. There's no evidence of a malfunction beyond a 'mere feeling' and suspicion based on the fact that the system is new (which Soviet High Command already knows) so I don't see the added value of advising Soviet High Command to distrust the positive reading unless you have external evidence of a glitch beyond conjecture or speculation
by Infected Mushroom » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:42 am
by The New California Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:43 am
by Purgatio » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:43 am
The New California Republic wrote:Purgatio wrote:
But you're not telling Soviet High Command anything they don't know. There's no evidence of a malfunction beyond a 'mere feeling' and suspicion based on the fact that the system is new (which Soviet High Command already knows) so I don't see the added value of advising Soviet High Command to distrust the positive reading unless you have external evidence of a glitch beyond conjecture or speculation
If I had a feeling that it was a glitch then I need to attach that to my report. Not doing so would be negligent.
by Purgatio » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:44 am
by Novus America » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:46 am
Purgatio wrote:Thermodolia wrote:There’s no harm in having the missiles confirmed. Because even if they are real there’s no stopping them. It would take way less than 8 minutes to confirm it.
Confirmed? Confirmed through what, the point of the warning system is to detect and indicate whether or not missiles are headed straight for Soviet territory, from the US, and your one job is to observe the warning system and inform Soviet High Command if the reading is positive. So just do it. The decision whether or not to retaliate is Soviet High Command's, as a military officer you don't have the right to unilaterally countermand your superior's orders or just decide not to do your job and your duty because you 'feel' like the system 'might', 'possibly' be wrong
by Purgatio » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:48 am
Novus America wrote:Purgatio wrote:
Confirmed? Confirmed through what, the point of the warning system is to detect and indicate whether or not missiles are headed straight for Soviet territory, from the US, and your one job is to observe the warning system and inform Soviet High Command if the reading is positive. So just do it. The decision whether or not to retaliate is Soviet High Command's, as a military officer you don't have the right to unilaterally countermand your superior's orders or just decide not to do your job and your duty because you 'feel' like the system 'might', 'possibly' be wrong
As a military office you job is also to think. There is a reason they assigned an officer to the post.
I seriously doubt the orders say “never offer any input as to the validity of the system’s readouts”.
After all if that was the objective why have an officer with a college education, or anyone there at all? Why not just have the machine send and automated alert to the command then?
You are not allowed to unilaterally go against your orders (in most cases), but you can and should go above and beyond just the bare minimum.
Unless the orders say you cannot offer any analysis (which would make no sense) you can and should do so.
by The New California Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:48 am
Purgatio wrote:The New California Republic wrote:If I had a feeling that it was a glitch then I need to attach that to my report. Not doing so would be negligent.
It's a feeling. It's a feeling based on nothing. If I was asked to prosecute someone who I had a 'feeling' could be innocent, but had no proof of it, why should I inform my superiors of my 'feeling', how are they supposed to put any weight on a mere 'feeling' backed up by nothing else or extrinsic evidence. What's negligent is if there were actual extrinsic evidence suggesting the positive reading is wrong and not attaching that to the report, but not attaching a 'feeling' isn't. Your superiors don't need to know all your inner speculations.
by The New California Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:49 am
by Purgatio » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:50 am
The New California Republic wrote:Purgatio wrote:
It's a feeling. It's a feeling based on nothing. If I was asked to prosecute someone who I had a 'feeling' could be innocent, but had no proof of it, why should I inform my superiors of my 'feeling', how are they supposed to put any weight on a mere 'feeling' backed up by nothing else or extrinsic evidence. What's negligent is if there were actual extrinsic evidence suggesting the positive reading is wrong and not attaching that to the report, but not attaching a 'feeling' isn't. Your superiors don't need to know all your inner speculations.
I'd report it as a potential glitch based on the fact that an actual launch would involve more than the number given in the OP, I'm not just pulling that feeling from where the sun don't shine.
by Purgatio » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:50 am
by The New California Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:51 am
Purgatio wrote:The New California Republic wrote:I'd report it as a potential glitch based on the fact that an actual launch would involve more than the number given in the OP, I'm not just pulling that feeling from where the sun don't shine.
Which isn't information Soviet High Command won't have, when you make your report you can tell them how many missiles the warning system is reading and they'll take into account this factor regardless.
by The New California Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:53 am
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