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Postby Novus America » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:06 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:Wait till the ancaps here about this


Private police are not a new thing.
I do not see why this is newsworthy. Many other private schools already have private police.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:17 pm

Novus America wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:Wait till the ancaps here about this


Private police are not a new thing.
I do not see why this is newsworthy. Many other private schools already have private police.


Eastern Michigan University near my old apartment has its own police force.

Of course, Ypsilanti is a dump akin to Detroit or Flint so maybe two forces is better than one there
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:22 pm

Fostoria wrote:Misleading as fuck, this is literally private security.

As has been seen in recent years, religious institutions need to protect themselves.

Not sure why they need private police to do it though. My church just has everyone carry and some security volunteers.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:23 pm

Novus America wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:I'm still uneasy, though not in panic-for-me-and-my-friends'-lives mode like I was on reading the title.

Seriously, why can't they just have a security guard or a normal officer patrol the area if they need it that badly?


Because it is a large school. Large schools sometimes need their security to have limited arrest powers to do their job properly. And large private schools having private police is not uncommon.


That... still doesn't answer why they couldn't have normal officer(s) do the thing.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:24 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Fostoria wrote:Misleading as fuck, this is literally private security.

As has been seen in recent years, religious institutions need to protect themselves.

Not sure why they need private police to do it though. My church just has everyone carry and some security volunteers.


Helps to have legal legitimacy and not just be Joe the guy doing security stuff.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:24 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Because it is a large school. Large schools sometimes need their security to have limited arrest powers to do their job properly. And large private schools having private police is not uncommon.


That... still doesn't answer why they couldn't have normal officer(s) do the thing.


I mean, they could, but why?
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:25 pm

Telconi wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Not sure why they need private police to do it though. My church just has everyone carry and some security volunteers.


Helps to have legal legitimacy and not just be Joe the guy doing security stuff.

We hire a city police officer for when it gets really out of hand, but Texas has some rather lax defense of property laws.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:28 pm

Sounds more like a private security guard sorta dealio.

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Postby Novus America » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:29 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Because it is a large school. Large schools sometimes need their security to have limited arrest powers to do their job properly. And large private schools having private police is not uncommon.


That... still doesn't answer why they couldn't have normal officer(s) do the thing.


Saves money, and actually creates LESS government involvement in religion.
Permanently assigning police to a church owned school seems worse than allowing the school its own private police.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:29 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Helps to have legal legitimacy and not just be Joe the guy doing security stuff.

We hire a city police officer for when it gets really out of hand, but Texas has some rather lax defense of property laws.


Well that helps, we can't hire a city police officer and California doesn't have good laws in regards to defense of property. So we get stuck with Joe the guy running security, or on every third Sunday Telconi the guy.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:29 pm

Telconi wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:
That... still doesn't answer why they couldn't have normal officer(s) do the thing.


I mean, they could, but why?


Why waste taxpayer money on a) this law, b) training of officer(s) who are only ever going to patrol this specific place, and c) the legal challenge(s) this is likely going to face?
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:31 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I mean, they could, but why?


Why waste taxpayer money on a) this law, b) training of officer(s) who are only ever going to patrol this specific place, and c) the legal challenge(s) this is likely going to face?


You're literally arguing against a publicly funded officer, in support of your desire for a publicly funded officer...

What ... the ... fuck?
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:32 pm

Telconi wrote:
Diopolis wrote:We hire a city police officer for when it gets really out of hand, but Texas has some rather lax defense of property laws.


Well that helps, we can't hire a city police officer and California doesn't have good laws in regards to defense of property. So we get stuck with Joe the guy running security, or on every third Sunday Telconi the guy.

And Cali won't allow something like this either. Our priests've kept a gun by the door of the rectory for a while, and that can't be illegal even in Cali, can it?
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:35 pm

Telconi wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:
Why waste taxpayer money on a) this law, b) training of officer(s) who are only ever going to patrol this specific place, and c) the legal challenge(s) this is likely going to face?


You're literally arguing against a publicly funded officer, in support of your desire for a publicly funded officer...

What ... the ... fuck?


Try actually reading what I wrote.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:36 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
You're literally arguing against a publicly funded officer, in support of your desire for a publicly funded officer...

What ... the ... fuck?


Try actually reading what I wrote.


I did, still stupid.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:36 pm

It's just a private security to protect the church grounds.

More left-wing hysteria over nothing.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:37 pm

Telconi wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:
Try actually reading what I wrote.


I did, still stupid.


If you read it, then why didn't you at least edit your response? You should have known by then it made no sense.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:38 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I did, still stupid.


If you read it, then why didn't you at least edit your response? You should have known by then it made no sense.


But it does. You don't want taxpayer money spent on this, which is why we should spend taxpayer money on this.
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Postby Novus America » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:40 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I mean, they could, but why?


Why waste taxpayer money on a) this law, b) training of officer(s) who are only ever going to patrol this specific place, and c) the legal challenge(s) this is likely going to face?


Who says taxpayer money is being used?
Just require the private entity to pay the cost of the training (which they are probably already required to do).
And having private police forces at schools is not something new or unusual.
So why is it more likely to create a legal challenge?

I never heard people freaking out over this.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

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Postby Skarten » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:41 pm

Wow, an church with security guards.Truly the end of the separation of Church and State.

Top tier bait, 10/10
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:45 pm

I approve. They might need to defend against Islamists.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:46 pm

I have an idea, why don't we all just buy weapons to defend ourselves in the melee that is america? Why stop at armed guards when we can arm everyone?
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:47 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:I approve. They might need to defend against Islamists.


In a place like alabama, Islamist insurgents are less of a threat than swallowing a chicken bone accidentally. You're statistically more likely to die From a car crash than a terror attack out there.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:48 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:I have an idea, why don't we all just buy weapons to defend ourselves in the melee that is america? Why stop at armed guards when we can arm everyone?


Churches should have armories.

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-Government Overreach
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-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Novus America » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:49 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:I have an idea, why don't we all just buy weapons to defend ourselves in the melee that is america? Why stop at armed guards when we can arm everyone?


Contrary to popular belief not anyone can buy any gun in America.
Let alone legally carry it.
Many states effectively ban carry permits to pretty much everyone except private security and the rich. (We should change that though)

But yes, if you wish to legally arm yourself than do so.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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