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Postby Gormwood » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:34 am

An Alabama megachurch will form its own police force after passage of controversial law

(CNN) An Alabama megachurch plans to start its own police force thanks to a new law permitting the church to do just that.

The law, signed by Gov. Kay Ivey, authorizes Briarwood Presbyterian to "appoint and employ one or more suitable persons to act as police officers to protect the property of the school or academy."

A similar bill was proposed four years ago, but it was dropped by the Alabama legislature amid a public outcry over the Presbyterian Church in America's racist history, as well as criticism that the bill was unconstitutional and violated the Establishment Clause's separation of church and state. Briarwood Presbyterian is part of the PCA.

Briarwood Presbyterian's congregation is overwhelmingly white. Nearby Birmingham is two-thirds black.

The PCA is a conservative denomination that originated early 1970s Alabama. In 2016 it apologized for "racial sins" that included "the segregation of worshipers by race" as well as "the participation in and defense of white supremacist organizations," among other things.

Officials at Briarwood Presbyterian Church say that a police force is necessary in order to adequately protect its 4,100 members, including 2,000 students and faculty on its two campuses.

The church hopes its new security force will keep intruders and prevent trespassers from accessing the property, it said in a press release that was posted by CNN affiliate WBRC.

The officers will complete state certified training by the Peace Officers Standards and Training Commission. The officers will also be trained on the proper use of a non-lethal weapon.

The ACLU of Alabama tweeted the new law undermines the separation of church and state are is "a threat to our freedom of religion and a violation of the Establishment Clause."

"We expect this law to be challenged in the courts," it said.

The new law is expected to go into effect in the fall.


Sweet Hole Alabama...

Complete abortion ban, Roy Moore almost winning, and now erasing the separation of church and state by allowing churches to have state-sanctioned police force. This particular all-white church's history of racism looms over like a shadow over nearby heavily black Montgomery which seems like it's trying to invoke police racism as a magic ritual. Thankfully (so far) the police force isn't allowed lethal weapons but if they ever are... good grief.

And even if racism is somehow averted, there's the term "religious police". People would be flipping their shit if this police force was Muslim instead of Presbytarian. Would they start policing religious conduct as well?

The nutball law frankly needs to be challenged and struck down. What do you think?
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Postby No State Here » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:37 am

A private police force you say? I’m loving it
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Postby Imperial States America » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:37 am

well there not state sanctioned because they are funded by private organization plus they only have authority on church grounds that's it once on public streets or sidewalks they have no authority whatsoever plus Alabama doesn't have a complete ban on Abortion so best bet is for you to look up your stuff before making things up.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:38 am

No State Here wrote:A private police force you say? I’m loving it


So you're fine with the whole "Sharia Enforcement Unit" thing?
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Postby Imperial States America » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:39 am

Vassenor wrote:
No State Here wrote:A private police force you say? I’m loving it


So you're fine with the whole "Sharia Enforcement Unit" thing?

your kidding right do you not under sarcasm at all?

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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:40 am

This is literally just private security. Title is misleading.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:41 am

I am a bit skeptical of the idea of armed private security forces, but if other private institutions are allowed to have armed private security guards, I do not see why churches should not be allowed to do the same thing.

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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:41 am

It sounds like these are just glorified security guards, so I don't necessarily view this as inherently super bad.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:42 am

Imperial States America wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So you're fine with the whole "Sharia Enforcement Unit" thing?

your kidding right do you not under sarcasm at all?

Unfortunately no.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Myrensis » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:42 am

Vassenor wrote:
No State Here wrote:A private police force you say? I’m loving it


So you're fine with the whole "Sharia Enforcement Unit" thing?


I'm actually looking forward to mosques in Alabama doing the same and conservative tying themselves in apoplectic knots trying to explain why that's badwrong dangerous but private church police forces are OK.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:43 am

It's actual police, not private security guards otherwise the ACLU wouldn't be objecting.
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Postby Cerinda » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:43 am

Alabama is just becoming a theocratic state at this point.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:44 am

Do you people not know what private security is?
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:44 am

Myrensis wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So you're fine with the whole "Sharia Enforcement Unit" thing?


I'm actually looking forward to mosques in Alabama doing the same and conservative tying themselves in apoplectic knots trying to explain why that's badwrong dangerous but private church police forces are OK.


I would prefer that the state has an absolute monopoly on the use of force, but under the current laws, a mosque should be allowed to hire security guards as long as they stay on property owned by the mosque.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:44 am

Gormwood wrote:It's actual police, not private security guards otherwise the ACLU wouldn't be objecting.


The ACLU is especially known for complaining about the dumbest shit. This included.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:46 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:It's actual police, not private security guards otherwise the ACLU wouldn't be objecting.


The ACLU is especially known for complaining about the dumbest shit. This included.

Haha no.
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Postby Kragholm Free States » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:46 am

Gormwood wrote:snip


So literally just security guards, like every other business and school and basically any property of some significance have in the US?

Other than "church evil hurr durr", what exactly makes this an especially bad thing? They're still bound by state and federal law, it's not like they can just go round lynching blacks and gays, burning witches, and randomly forcing passers-by to drop to their knees and pray.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:46 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
The ACLU is especially known for complaining about the dumbest shit. This included.

Haha no.


haha yes. Read the damn article. And let's not forget that one time they literally bitched about Harvard being sued for discriminating against Asians and whining that it would benefit whites.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:46 am

Did you even read the article? That's not what it is at all, it's literally just security guards.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:46 am

I guarantee if this was a mosque like that one in brooklyn, the forces of fake, I mean Fox news would be screaming that it's the end of the world and sharia law is coming to america.

I'll tell you all this, Muslims are only 1% of the American population whereas evangelical Christians are 35%. As someone who has personally dealt with evangelikooks, I can tell you I'm more worried about this story than any purported sharia gang. If this was France it would be different but this is america. We got plenty of homegrown psychos of all stripes here
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:47 am

If the church's police have their jurisdiction limited to church property, then it is merely private security, which is fine. If they go beyond that, and start allowing the church to police the streets, then I see how it can be a problem.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:47 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:Do you people not know what private security is?

So the summary attached to the bill in the Alabama legislature says, "Relating to law enforcement; to amend Section 16-22-1, Code of Alabama 1975, to authorize the president or chief executive officer of Madison Academy and Briarwood Presbyterian Church and its integrated auxiliary Briarwood Christian School to appoint and employ one or more suitable persons to act as police officers to protect the property of the school or academy." Why they thought it necessary to specifically pick out those institutions and use the word "police" is beyond me, when, as several here have pointed out, private security firms are a thing. The text of the law is here: https://www.billtrack50.com/BillDetail/1112594.

Since they did mention specific institutions, mosques are out of luck.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:48 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Did you even read the article? That's not what it is at all, it's literally just security guards.

This ^^

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:48 am

I'm reading this and the religious police are not really going to be attacking people who have sinned, but are just glorified security guards.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:49 am

Cerinda wrote:Alabama is just becoming a theocratic state at this point.


We should have let them secede from the union back in 1860
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