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The Empire is here..

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I will..

..put on my white plastic armour and sign up
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36%
..put on my robe and wizard hat
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..form a criminal smuggling gang
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..complete the Kessel Run in 11 parsecs
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..receive appropriate training from Obi Wan KeHasselhoff
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..click polls to the end of time
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The Empire is here..

Postby Bombadil » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:20 pm

Check out the video from the news clip.. Link - apologies for FOX News but whatevs.

Clearly that's a TIE fighter, the Senate is being briefed..

The Defense Department reportedly briefed Senate Intelligence Committee Vice Chairman Mark Warner, D-Va., on Wednesday, along with two other senators as part of what appeared to be heightened efforts to inform politicians about naval encounters with unidentified aircraft.

Warner's spokesperson indicated that the senator sought to probe safety concerns surrounding "unexplained interference" naval pilots faced, according to Politico. The outlet reported more briefings were being requested as news surfaced that the Navy revised its procedures for personnel reporting on unusual aircraft sightings.


As part of a program investigating the issue, Navy personnel reportedly told Pentagon officials that they encountered aircraft that appeared to defy the laws of physics and aerodynamics while in military airspace.

Navy strike group pilots also reported seeing strange objects flying above 30,000 feet at hypersonic speeds with no visible engine or infrared exhaust fumes, according to the New York Times.


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Postby Neanderthaland » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:27 pm

Old news. We've known for ages that the Death Star is orbiting Saturn.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:27 pm

Hypersonic speeds and no heat signature?

The US Navy has broken equipment or they are actual aliens.

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Postby Bombadil » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:29 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:Old news. We've known for ages that the Death Star is orbiting Saturn.


TIE fighters were also spotted tootling around the sun back in 2015, now they're here.

I'm assuming this means George Lucas is actually a Jedi sent to warn us.
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my empire

Postby ImperialRussia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:32 pm

wow new technological advances

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Postby Confederat States » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:36 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Old news. We've known for ages that the Death Star is orbiting Saturn.


TIE fighters were also spotted tootling around the sun back in 2015, now they're here.

I'm assuming this means George Lucas is actually a Jedi sent to warn us.

Lol The empire attacks during SWC 2020 and George says.
You Nerfhearders I tried to warn you!
Than turns to dust.

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Postby Galloism » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:40 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Hypersonic speeds and no heat signature?

The US Navy has broken equipment or they are actual aliens.

I don’t even think aliens could pull that off. Isn’t 5 times (or more) than the speed of sound sufficient to start having problems with convective and radiative hearing from impact with air?
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:42 pm

Galloism wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:Hypersonic speeds and no heat signature?

The US Navy has broken equipment or they are actual aliens.

I don’t even think aliens could pull that off. Isn’t 5 times (or more) than the speed of sound sufficient to start having problems with convective and radiative hearing from impact with air?


I don't think Star Wars cared too much for science.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:43 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Galloism wrote:I don’t even think aliens could pull that off. Isn’t 5 times (or more) than the speed of sound sufficient to start having problems with convective and radiative hearing from impact with air?


I don't think Star Wars cared too much for science.

They had deflector shields though, which is basically codified plot armor.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:46 pm

Galloism wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:Hypersonic speeds and no heat signature?

The US Navy has broken equipment or they are actual aliens.

I don’t even think aliens could pull that off. Isn’t 5 times (or more) than the speed of sound sufficient to start having problems with convective and radiative hearing from impact with air?


Not even that high. The SR-71 used to glow like fuck even at mach 3.2. The leading surfaces on aircraft just breaking mach are enough to attract modern heat seeking missiles.

It could, in theory, be done with a technology that displaced air from in front of an aircraft. Basically really awesome Star Trek transporters.

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Postby Christian Confederation » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:48 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Galloism wrote:I don’t even think aliens could pull that off. Isn’t 5 times (or more) than the speed of sound sufficient to start having problems with convective and radiative hearing from impact with air?


I don't think Star Wars cared too much for science.

Most movies with science are.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:49 pm

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Postby Galloism » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:51 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Galloism wrote:I don’t even think aliens could pull that off. Isn’t 5 times (or more) than the speed of sound sufficient to start having problems with convective and radiative hearing from impact with air?


Not even that high. The SR-71 used to glow like fuck even at mach 3.2. The leading surfaces on aircraft just breaking mach are enough to attract modern heat seeking missiles.

It could, in theory, be done with a technology that displaced air from in front of an aircraft. Basically really awesome Star Trek transporters.

Hence I’m skeptical even ET could move at hypersonic speeds without leaving a heat signature.

If you could displace the air as you described that would work, but why would you? If you can have literal teleporters, you’d either have materials that could shrug off the heat, or you’d just transport yourself, or both.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Bombadil » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:52 pm

Galloism wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Not even that high. The SR-71 used to glow like fuck even at mach 3.2. The leading surfaces on aircraft just breaking mach are enough to attract modern heat seeking missiles.

It could, in theory, be done with a technology that displaced air from in front of an aircraft. Basically really awesome Star Trek transporters.

Hence I’m skeptical even ET could move at hypersonic speeds without leaving a heat signature.

If you could displace the air as you described that would work, but why would you? If you can have literal teleporters, you’d either have materials that could shrug off the heat, or you’d just transport yourself, or both.


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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:53 pm

Project Bluebook 2.0.
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Postby Arlenton » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:55 pm

How are they able to move without a heat signature? Still skeptical they are aliens.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:55 pm

Galloism wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Not even that high. The SR-71 used to glow like fuck even at mach 3.2. The leading surfaces on aircraft just breaking mach are enough to attract modern heat seeking missiles.

It could, in theory, be done with a technology that displaced air from in front of an aircraft. Basically really awesome Star Trek transporters.

Hence I’m skeptical even ET could move at hypersonic speeds without leaving a heat signature.

If you could displace the air as you described that would work, but why would you? If you can have literal teleporters, you’d either have materials that could shrug off the heat, or you’d just transport yourself, or both.


One thing you can't do is just shrug off heat. Especially heat generated by compression of a material that isn't part of the ship. Physics is a bitch that way.

But I thing we're now both in agreement. The US Navy needs to spend more on their F-18 aircraft sensor suite because the current batch just doesn't work.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:02 pm

Arlenton wrote:How are they able to move without a heat signature? Still skeptical they are aliens.


Potentially some sort of material beyond mankind's current understanding.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:04 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Galloism wrote:Hence I’m skeptical even ET could move at hypersonic speeds without leaving a heat signature.

If you could displace the air as you described that would work, but why would you? If you can have literal teleporters, you’d either have materials that could shrug off the heat, or you’d just transport yourself, or both.


One thing you can't do is just shrug off heat. Especially heat generated by compression of a material that isn't part of the ship. Physics is a bitch that way.

But I thing we're now both in agreement. The US Navy needs to spend more on their F-18 aircraft sensor suite because the current batch just doesn't work.

Well, by “shrug off”, I meant the material (or energy shield, whatever) could put up with it. IE, think the space shuttle tiles, but better.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:06 pm

Arlenton wrote:How are they able to move without a heat signature? Still skeptical they are aliens.

Maybe they can’t detect the heat, which I’m quite doubtful, or the other logical explanation right now just to cut corners is that they’re aliens that’re more technologically advanced and they can do such things.
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Postby Arlenton » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:11 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Arlenton wrote:How are they able to move without a heat signature? Still skeptical they are aliens.


Potentially some sort of material beyond mankind's current understanding.

That makes sense. I've always assumed a lot of UFO sightings were just secret military/prototype aircraft. Humans using this kind of technology seems unlikely in my opinion, but so does actual aliens. Not sure what to think. Maybe the military's sensors are faulty after all?

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Postby Arlenton » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:14 pm

TBH, time travelling descendants of humans seems more likely than aliens IMO. The classic "grey" aliens seem like a plausible human descendant species. If they invented (will invent) time travel at some point, I don't see why they can't have some super advanced system of propulsion.

I still think this is extremely unlikely though.

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Postby Bombadil » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:19 pm

Arlenton wrote:TBH, time travelling descendants of humans seems more likely than aliens IMO. The classic "grey" aliens seem like a plausible human descendant species. If they invented (will invent) time travel at some point, I don't see why they can't have some super advanced system of propulsion.

I still think this is extremely unlikely though.


Oh that would be quite cool, where they easter egg their visits in ships shaped like TIE fighters.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:22 pm

Arlenton wrote:TBH, time travelling descendants of humans seems more likely than aliens IMO. The classic "grey" aliens seem like a plausible human descendant species. If they invented (will invent) time travel at some point, I don't see why they can't have some super advanced system of propulsion.

I still think this is extremely unlikely though.

The form of propulsion isn’t really the problem.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:26 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Potentially some sort of material beyond mankind's current understanding.

That makes sense. I've always assumed a lot of UFO sightings were just secret military/prototype aircraft. Humans using this kind of technology seems unlikely in my opinion, but so does actual aliens. Not sure what to think. Maybe the military's sensors are faulty after all?


That's the thing. UFO is usually associated with aliens but it literally means "something flying in the sky that you don't know what the fuck it is". Could easily be as something as harmless as one of those electric drones given they can move with no obvious wings and produce no heat signature, to all of what you suggested.
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