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Re: Iran to Execute Protestors

Postby Shaftique » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:01 am

Oh god, I can't tell who's posting seriously and who's not! One person's hilariously radical scheme is another's sound advice.

There's no way for the US to have a responsible hand in any coup or revolution and unfortunately, it's basically impossible for a popular revolution to happen in Iran either.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:01 am

Galloism wrote:
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Grays Harbor wrote:I have a bad feeling it will end up a full-blown civil war in Iran and spill over into neighboring countries.

The US would be dragged in, uncontrollable insurgennts spilling into Afghanistan and Iraq would guarantee US intervention.


Don't worry. They'll greet us as liberators.


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Re: Iran to Execute Protestors

Postby Galloism » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:01 am

Shaftique wrote:Oh god, I can't tell who's posting seriously and who's not! One person's hilariously radical scheme is another's sound advice.


It's confusing, innit?
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Postby United Anacreon » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:02 am

Shaftique wrote:Oh god, I can't tell who's posting seriously and who's not! One person's hilariously radical scheme is another's sound advice.

There's no way for the US to have a responsible hand in any coup or revolution and unfortunately, it's basically impossible for a popular revolution to happen in Iran either.

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Re: Iran to Execute Protestors

Postby Galloism » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:02 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
Galloism wrote:Don't worry. They'll greet us as liberators.


doubtful.


:roll:

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Postby Vervaria » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:03 am

Galloism wrote:
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Galloism wrote:Don't worry. They'll greet us as liberators.


doubtful.


:roll:

My jokes are lost on the masses.

Well I got it. :(
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Postby UnitedStatesOfAmerica- » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:04 am

United Anacreon wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:I have a bad feeling it will end up a full-blown civil war in Iran and spill over into neighboring countries.

The US would be dragged in, uncontrollable insurgennts spilling into Afghanistan and Iraq would guarantee US intervention.

The US and NATO would be forced to intervene. The muslim world would understand the cause of the intervention. However, Russia would be pissed.
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Postby United Anacreon » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:06 am

UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:
United Anacreon wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:I have a bad feeling it will end up a full-blown civil war in Iran and spill over into neighboring countries.

The US would be dragged in, uncontrollable insurgennts spilling into Afghanistan and Iraq would guarantee US intervention.

The US and NATO would be forced to intervene. The muslim world would understand the cause of the intervention. However, Russia would be pissed.

Indeed. China would be also, but it is better to be pissed off at the US, than pissed on by the US.

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Postby UnitedStatesOfAmerica- » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:08 am

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doubtful.

The groups like Hezbollah and Al Qaeda and those supporting the Baseji would oppose and resent our interference. But I have a strong feeling that ordinary Iranians would welcome any help they can get when it comes to protecting themselves from a blood thirsty regime out to kill them and their families.

Remember, while we have had bad relations with Iran for 30 years, we've had excellent relations with them for over 170, or since we first established diplomatic relations in 1856. Americans and Iranians are not natural enemies.
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Postby Hamilay » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:09 am

Galloism wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
Galloism wrote:Don't worry. They'll greet us as liberators.


doubtful.


:roll:

My jokes are lost on the masses.


Grays Harbor seems to be building up a history of being unable to recognise jokes...

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Postby UnitedStatesOfAmerica- » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:12 am

I have six months left in my guard contract and I would really really prefer for nothing to happen that could force Obama to start calling up reservists and National Guard members.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:14 am

Hamilay wrote:
Grays Harbor seems to be building up a history of being unable to recognise jokes...


thats because I put my sense of humor on hold when I come here. I have discovered that it is pointless to try and discern between what is meant as "humorous" and what is not so I don't even try. I just take everything at face value. Now it seems that that course of action is being lambasted as well, so why do I even bother?

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Postby UnitedStatesOfAmerica- » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:15 am

Hamilay wrote:
Grays Harbor seems to be building up a history of being unable to recognise jokes...

Joke or not. None of us wants the US to intervene in Iran. But the US may not even have a choice in the matter. :(
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Postby Shaftique » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:41 am

How do they have no choice whether to intervene or not?
I doubt the international community will want you to and sorry, I know you're in the military and all but it hasn't exactly helped the civilian population the last few times the US intervened somewhere.

edit: to make that post less trolly I should add that if Iran attacks america or makes it clear that they're going to then of course, yeah do you what you have to.
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Postby The_pantless_hero » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:27 am

UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:I have six months left in my guard contract and I would really really prefer for nothing to happen that could force Obama to start calling up reservists and National Guard members.

Don't feel so bad. If the US gets into any more never-ending not-wars, they are going to have to reboot conscription at the risk of a bunch of politicians' careers/
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:31 am

United Anacreon wrote:I say, to start a revolution you must have martyrs.

If we don't intervene, and we can fund a coup in Iran, we can bring back democracy and a pro-western government without "liberating" them.


And if the Iranian government somehow uncovers the funding, it'll be Operation Ajax all over again.
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:33 am

Gauthier wrote:
United Anacreon wrote:I say, to start a revolution you must have martyrs.

If we don't intervene, and we can fund a coup in Iran, we can bring back democracy and a pro-western government without "liberating" them.


And if the Iranian government somehow uncovers the funding, it'll be Operation Ajax all over again.


They likely will uncover evidence even if we don't fund it, given the way their president talks.
Besides those things are always hard to prove before the coup ends.
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Postby The Macabees » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:45 am

United Anacreon wrote:The US would be dragged in, uncontrollable insurgennts spilling into Afghanistan and Iraq would guarantee US intervention.


If those insurgents are fighting each other, then there's no reason they would focus their efforts on fighting the occupation in Afghanistan and/or Iraq.
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Postby UnitedStatesOfAmerica- » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:47 am

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United Anacreon wrote:The US would be dragged in, uncontrollable insurgennts spilling into Afghanistan and Iraq would guarantee US intervention.


If those insurgents are fighting each other, then there's no reason they would focus their efforts on fighting the occupation in Afghanistan and/or Iraq.

Except that their claim that their civil war is all America's fault would make them attack our people in Iraq/Afghanistan. Meaning their extreme xenophobia will ultimate force American intervention in an Iranian civil war.
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Postby Shaftique » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:52 am

UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
doubtful.

Remember, while we have had bad relations with Iran for 30 years, we've had excellent relations with them for over 170, or since we first established diplomatic relations in 1856. Americans and Iranians are not natural enemies.


I disagree really, the US and Israel are fighting together for dominance in the region and trying to undermine a united arab/asian front. They might not be natural enemies but as it is their interests are directly conflicting.

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Postby Friends of Beowulf » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:54 am

UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:
United Anacreon wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:I have a bad feeling it will end up a full-blown civil war in Iran and spill over into neighboring countries.

The US would be dragged in, uncontrollable insurgennts spilling into Afghanistan and Iraq would guarantee US intervention.

The US and NATO would be forced to intervene. The muslim world would understand the cause of the intervention. However, Russia would be pissed.

The muslim world, with its usual oversensitivity, would regard any intervention by the US or EU as yet another attack on its muslim brothers and would once again be suitably outraged. In any case, if the muslims want to kill each other as usual, who the hell cares, as long as they keep it in the family.

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Postby Kryozerkia » Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:15 am

UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:
United Anacreon wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:I have a bad feeling it will end up a full-blown civil war in Iran and spill over into neighboring countries.

The US would be dragged in, uncontrollable insurgennts spilling into Afghanistan and Iraq would guarantee US intervention.

The US and NATO would be forced to intervene. The muslim world would understand the cause of the intervention. However, Russia would be pissed.

Of course. Because before we invade, we have Operation Vodka Drop. :lol:

As for the Muslim world understanding... I really don't see that happening. There is a lot of distrust right now, and any invasion would be unwelcome. There would have to be a lot of initial support at the UN level from the Muslim and Arab countries for this kind of thing to get any support, which is unlikely to happen.
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Postby Shaftique » Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:26 am

UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:Except that their claim that their civil war is all America's fault would make them attack our people in Iraq/Afghanistan. Meaning their extreme xenophobia will ultimate force American intervention in an Iranian civil war.


It may not be true that the civil war is america's fault but they're certainly justified in having a serious fear of American intervention and fighting to get those forces out of the region. I also don't see how America would be forced to intervene either.

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Postby The Macabees » Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:45 am

UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:Except that their claim that their civil war is all America's fault would make them attack our people in Iraq/Afghanistan. Meaning their extreme xenophobia will ultimate force American intervention in an Iranian civil war.


I don't think you realize that all of their resources are being used to fight each other. Whether or not the existing regime blames the United States is irrelevant, given that their current war is against a much larger and dangerous enemy at home (whatever group is rebelling against the government). The Iranian government would not have the resources to fight both their own people (which would make up a majority) and the United States.

Besides, it would be more desirable to the current Iranian government to keep the United States out of their civil war, because the United States has a lot of money (taxpayer be damned) and the ability to decisively arm and train one side or another.

So, sorry, I do not see your scenario as being very realistic.
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Postby Greater Americania » Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:50 am

UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:They haven't made an official decision yet. So far, it's just one leading cleric calling for it. But we should hope that they are sane enough that they would not even try it.
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