Oregon Republicans facing arrest

[Telconi]

Given how Republican areas are just flatly starting to ignore everything Seattle and co. try to impose on them I'd say they're even worse.

They should be prosecuted for violating the law.

What law is that?

[Arlenton]

Lets say you live in a red state. The state legislature is about to pass laws making abortion illegal and revoke the marriage licenses of same sex couples (lets say Trump replaces Ginsburg with Barrett). The vast majority of the state is conservative and supports this. But if the few Democrats were to leave the state to prevent these votes from happening, would you oppose them?

I would respect the outcome of the election as disappointed and angry as I would be.

Fair enough.

[Scomagia]

Lets say you live in a red state. The state legislature is about to pass laws making abortion illegal and revoke the marriage licenses of same sex couples (lets say Trump replaces Ginsburg with Barrett). The vast majority of the state is conservative and supports this. But if the few Democrats were to leave the state to prevent these votes from happening, would you oppose them?

I would respect the outcome of the election as disappointed and angry as I would be.

That isn't even an intelligible answer to the question asked.

[Telconi]

Lets say you live in a red state. The state legislature is about to pass laws making abortion illegal and revoke the marriage licenses of same sex couples (lets say Trump replaces Ginsburg with Barrett). The vast majority of the state is conservative and supports this. But if the few Democrats were to leave the state to prevent these votes from happening, would you oppose them?

I would respect the outcome of the election as disappointed and angry as I would be.

Honestly that's just sad.

[San Lumen]

I would respect the outcome of the election as disappointed and angry as I would be.

That isn't even an intelligible answer to the question asked.

Arlenton thought it was

[San Lumen]

They should be prosecuted for violating the law.

The question is, should unjust laws be obeyed?

the laws the legislature passes apply to all not just some.

[Arlenton]

I would respect the outcome of the election as disappointed and angry as I would be.

That isn't even an intelligible answer to the question asked.

I'm taking it as a yes, San Lumen would oppose the Democrats fleeing the state.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The question is, should unjust laws be obeyed?

the laws the legislature passes apply to all not just some.

Evidently not.

[Galloism]

Holding your feet to the fire on this San Lumen.

Work together for the rural folks to get raped by the interests of Salem and Portland, you mean.

Yeah how dare those people be allowed to vote or have representation relative to their population

It's not 1:1 and such, but looking at the presidential vote totals in Oregon:

2016 41.1% 742,506 (R) 51.7% 934,631 (D)

If we assume the vote totals for the state legislature were the same (which may not be true, but for these purposes we will accept), we would assign 52% of legislators to D, 41% to R, and 7% to "other".

The senate has 30 members. That would be 16 members for the democrats (15.6 rounding up), and 12 for the republicans (12.3 rounding down), with 2 assigned to "other". In fact, 18 members are democrats, and 12 are republican. Republicans are about fairly represented by vote share - democrats are overrepresented. Other is also underrepresented.

The house has 60 members. Applying the same ratios, 31 would be democrats (31.2 rounding down), 25 would be republicans (24.6 rounding up), and 4 would be "other". In fact, 38 are democrat and 22 are republican. Democrats are overrepresented and republicans are under represented. Other is also underrepresented.

In fact, a couple years ago, it was even worse - the efficiency gap of democrats vs republicans in Oregon was 18.3%. In fact, in state elections, it had the 4th highest gap in the nation.

As I recall, you had a problem with this in the past. Do you still?

Um, yes they did.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Un ... _elections

Republicans got 49.1% of the vote, democrats got 48%, and other parties got 2.9%.

Republicans got 57.4% of the seats. The winner got the majority of the seats. Kosher?

No. They would have gotten far less seats if gerrymandering was illegal. I dont support proportional representation as I like having districts. You can't have that with proportional representation or can you?

How would you decide who gets what seat? If we are going have proportional representation than I would support MMP.

[Telconi]

The question is, should unjust laws be obeyed?

the laws the legislature passes apply to all not just some.

Which is why Harriet Tubman is a villain amirite?

[San Lumen]

the laws the legislature passes apply to all not just some.

Evidently not.

maybe not to you and those you are referring to. They ought to be prosecuted or resign if they arent going to respect the authority of those in the state capital

[Telconi]

Evidently not.

maybe not to you and those you are referring to. They ought to be prosecuted or resign if they arent going to respect the authority of those in the state capital

Disrespecting people isn't a crime.

[San Lumen]

maybe not to you and those you are referring to. They ought to be prosecuted or resign if they arent going to respect the authority of those in the state capital

Disrespecting people isn't a crime.

to defy the authority of the state is.

[Galloism]

Evidently not.

maybe not to you and those you are referring to. They ought to be prosecuted or resign if they arent going to respect the authority of those in the state capital

This is not a prosecutable offense in the traditional sense. It's an arrestable one, but the only "punishment" is that they are forced back to the legislative chamber to legislate.

[Scomagia]

That isn't even an intelligible answer to the question asked.

I'm taking it as a yes, San Lumen would oppose the Democrats fleeing the state.

Fair enough.

[Telconi]

Disrespecting people isn't a crime.

to defy the authority of the state is.

Every police man whondoesn't prosecute every crime should go to jail now?

[Loben The 2nd]

Disrespecting people isn't a crime.

to defy the authority of the state is.

And that is?

[Arlenton]

Disrespecting people isn't a crime.

to defy the authority of the state is.

It's peaceful protesting.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Disrespecting people isn't a crime.

to defy the authority of the state is.

So, what you're saying is you supported sending escaped slaves back to the south?

[San Lumen]

to defy the authority of the state is.

And that is?

I shouldnt have to explain this. You know a state government works right? We did have an election last year.

[Telconi]

to defy the authority of the state is.

So, what you're saying is you supported sending slaves back to the south?

Pfffft of course not. Defying laws is good when he dislikes the law.

[San Lumen]

to defy the authority of the state is.

So, what you're saying is you supported sending escaped slaves back to the south?

I'll take things i didnt say for 2000 please. Oh look its the Daily Double!!!

[Scomagia]

to defy the authority of the state is.

Every police man whondoesn't prosecute every crime should go to jail now?

Not that I disagree with the spirit of your post but policemen don't prosecute.

[Telconi]

So, what you're saying is you supported sending escaped slaves back to the south?

I'll take things i didnt say for 2000 please. Oh look its the Daily Double!!!

The fugitive slave act was a law. So yes, you said laws must be followed.

[Telconi]

Every police man whondoesn't prosecute every crime should go to jail now?

Not that I disagree with the spirit of your post but policemen don't prosecute.

Fair point. Arrest rather.