Oregon Republicans facing arrest

[Scomagia]

This. Very. Fucking. Bill. Is. An. Example.

Fucking. How. Question. Mark.

Read the bill. I trust you can do that without my help.

[Galloism]

Work together for the rural folks to get raped by the interests of Salem and Portland, you mean.

Yeah how dare those people be allowed to vote or have representation relative to their population

It's not 1:1 and such, but looking at the presidential vote totals in Oregon:

2016 41.1% 742,506 (R) 51.7% 934,631 (D)

If we assume the vote totals for the state legislature were the same (which may not be true, but for these purposes we will accept), we would assign 52% of legislators to D, 41% to R, and 7% to "other".

The senate has 30 members. That would be 16 members for the democrats (15.6 rounding up), and 12 for the republicans (12.3 rounding down), with 2 assigned to "other". In fact, 18 members are democrats, and 12 are republican. Republicans are about fairly represented by vote share - democrats are overrepresented. Other is also underrepresented.

The house has 60 members. Applying the same ratios, 31 would be democrats (31.2 rounding down), 25 would be republicans (24.6 rounding up), and 4 would be "other". In fact, 38 are democrat and 22 are republican. Democrats are overrepresented and republicans are under represented. Other is also underrepresented.

As I recall, you had a problem with this in the past. Do you still?

Um, yes they did.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Un ... _elections

Republicans got 49.1% of the vote, democrats got 48%, and other parties got 2.9%.

Republicans got 57.4% of the seats. The winner got the majority of the seats. Kosher?

No. They would have gotten far less seats if gerrymandering was illegal. I dont support proportional representation as I like having districts. You can't have that with proportional representation or can you?

How would you decide who gets what seat? If we are going have proportional representation than I would support MMP.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Don't you know? There's less of us so we should just accept the ignorant whims of Portland and Salem, regardless of what happens to us.

Yeah we should give them less representation or rig the election so their votes matter less. Or the minority should shut down the government because they dont get their way.

Again since they can stop the legislature from functioning with this stunt why bother showing up at all just run for election and say ill protect your interests by not doing anything and those evil people in Portland and the coast can't oppress you.

Actually this is a very good idea.

[Necroghastia]

Fucking. How. Question. Mark.

Read the bill. I trust you can do that without my help.

I did.

[Arlenton]

This. Very. Fucking. Bill. Is. An. Example.

Fucking. How. Question. Mark.

This bill will cost jobs in the timber industry, and already has. Stimson Lumber laid off 40% of its workforce in anticipation of this bill, along with the upcoming tax increases.

https://www.capitalpress.com/state/oregon/timber-families-take-last-stand-against-climate-bills-at-oregon/article_6bdab3c0-92ae-11e9-be21-1b22ccd24c90.html

[San Lumen]

Its real simple. They get less representation and their votes dont count more for statewide elections therefore they are being oppressed

You do understand it's possible to hold the majority of the legislature and not be scum right?

There is a fine line between scum and implementing things you were elected to do. In Albany democrats have the majority but work with the other side so they get things they want. The agriculture chair in the assembly and senate comes from rural districts.

[San Lumen]

Yeah we should give them less representation or rig the election so their votes matter less. Or the minority should shut down the government because they dont get their way.

Again since they can stop the legislature from functioning with this stunt why bother showing up at all just run for election and say ill protect your interests by not doing anything and those evil people in Portland and the coast can't oppress you.

Actually this is a very good idea.

why don't they do it then?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Actually this is a very good idea.

why don't they do it then?

I hope they will going forward, not just in Oregon too.

[Telconi]

You do understand it's possible to hold the majority of the legislature and not be scum right?

There is a fine line between scum and implementing things you were elected to do. In Albany democrats have the majority but work with the other side so they get things they want. The agriculture chair in the assembly and senate comes from rural districts.

Not if the things they're elected to do are scummy there isn't.

[San Lumen]

why don't they do it then?

I hope they will going forward, not just in Oregon too.

Maybe Republicans in your state aren't as petty.

[San Lumen]

There is a fine line between scum and implementing things you were elected to do. In Albany democrats have the majority but work with the other side so they get things they want. The agriculture chair in the assembly and senate comes from rural districts.

Not if the things they're elected to do are scummy there isn't.

Just because you disagree doesnt make it scummy or does someone not have a right to disagree with you?

[Telconi]

why don't they do it then?

I hope they will going forward, not just in Oregon too.

Honestly this. The optics of bringing Republicans in on handcuffs so that you can override all of their objections is totally good for the idea of representative democracy.

[Scomagia]

Read the bill. I trust you can do that without my help.

I did.

I'm sorry you can't comprehend what you read and it's effects on rural Oregon, then.

[San Lumen]

I hope they will going forward, not just in Oregon too.

Honestly this. The optics of bringing Republicans in on handcuffs so that you can override all of their objections is totally good for the idea of representative democracy.

I hope they do it in California. it will go over real big.

[Necroghastia]

Fucking. How. Question. Mark.

This bill will cost jobs in the timber industry, and already has. Stimson Lumber laid off 40% of its workforce in anticipation of this bill, along with the upcoming tax increases.

https://www.capitalpress.com/state/oregon/timber-families-take-last-stand-against-climate-bills-at-oregon/article_6bdab3c0-92ae-11e9-be21-1b22ccd24c90.html

Thank you. Sincerely. Thanks for actually explaining and linking to a source.

[Telconi]

Not if the things they're elected to do are scummy there isn't.

Just because you disagree doesnt make it scummy or does someone not have a right to disagree with you?

You don't think that scummy ideas exist? Or you agree with them all?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I hope they will going forward, not just in Oregon too.

Maybe Republicans in your state aren't as petty.

Given how Republican areas are just flatly starting to ignore everything Seattle and co. try to impose on them I'd say they're even worse.

[Telconi]

Honestly this. The optics of bringing Republicans in on handcuffs so that you can override all of their objections is totally good for the idea of representative democracy.

I hope they do it in California. it will go over real big.

See, we agree on something.

[San Lumen]

Just because you disagree doesnt make it scummy or does someone not have a right to disagree with you?

You don't think that scummy ideas exist? Or you agree with them all?

What a stupid statement. You love to dodge instead of giving answers.

[Arlenton]

Nevermind that. How would you feel if it ever happened?

Answer the question and stop dodging it. Otherwise I’m going to assume you’d be pissed and you don’t want to answer the hypothetical because you realize that it would destroy your current position

I respect the outcome of elections

Lets say you live in a red state. The GOP won the last election in this state in a landslide. The state legislature is about to pass laws making abortion illegal and revoke the marriage licenses of same sex couples (lets say Trump replaces Ginsburg with Barrett). The vast majority of the state is conservative and supports this. But if the few Democrats were to leave the state to prevent these votes from happening, would you oppose them?

[San Lumen]

Maybe Republicans in your state aren't as petty.

Given how Republican areas are just flatly starting to ignore everything Seattle and co. try to impose on them I'd say they're even worse.

They should be prosecuted for violating the law.

[Scomagia]

Honestly this. The optics of bringing Republicans in on handcuffs so that you can override all of their objections is totally good for the idea of representative democracy.

I hope they do it in California. it will go over real big.

It will. California is more than SoCal.

[Telconi]

You don't think that scummy ideas exist? Or you agree with them all?

What a stupid statement. You love to dodge instead of giving answers.

Well apparently disagreement and scumminess ar emutually exclusive.

[San Lumen]

I respect the outcome of elections

Lets say you live in a red state. The state legislature is about to pass laws making abortion illegal and revoke the marriage licenses of same sex couples (lets say Trump replaces Ginsburg with Barrett). The vast majority of the state is conservative and supports this. But if the few Democrats were to leave the state to prevent these votes from happening, would you oppose them?

I would respect the outcome of the election as disappointed and angry as I would be.

[Arlenton]

Given how Republican areas are just flatly starting to ignore everything Seattle and co. try to impose on them I'd say they're even worse.

They should be prosecuted for violating the law.

The question is, should unjust laws be obeyed?