Oregon Republicans facing arrest

[Bear Stearns]

What's the better chant here:

Run Forrest Run!

-or-

The Juice is Loose!

[Diopolis]

And?
I'd still consider an antifa attack on georgia march for life to be the closest thing to a plausible scenario that leads to a spiral of out of control political violence.

Eh I don’t think so.

I don't see racial tensions leading to a cycle of retaliation from anyone on the right. Non-racists don't care because they'd rather get rid of the racists. Racists don't care because they accept street fighting as a casualty of doing business.
Pro-life is different. There's an understood rule that pro-life protesters are expected to be unarmed and that it's lead by women. That alone makes it more likely to lead to retaliation and escalating violence. There's also the fact that it's usually an issue close to the average conservative's heart which conservatives already have a hard time trusting the normal political process on, and which, by the way, could potentially draw in a much wider net of armed groups than your typical drugged out neonazis.
That's why I picked georgia march for life(and Atlanta because of the recent heartbeat bill).

[Arlenton]

There’s no law preventing them from doing so, that I’m aware of anyway. Seems like they are creatively going out of their way to protect their constituents and local communities. This isn’t about ice cream, the lives of farmers and timber workers are literally on the line.

By giving the middle finger to the rest of the state and the majority of the population

Your right. They should say fuck you to they people of their district who elected them and vote on a bill that will literally cause them to lose their farm and timber jobs because some people in another part of a state have a hard on for Bill Nye.

[Thermodolia]

Because it looks like they currently have quite a bit of leverage if they are able to prevent votes.

The Oregon legislature is required to adjourn by the end of the month. They haven't passed a budget, among other things.

I wonder if they have a provision stating that if a budget isn’t passed they just use last years budget. I know that’s how it works here

[Thermodolia]

Ya shit could go down there. I just don’t see it happening in Atlanta. We’re too busy trying to kill eachother with our driving to care

Matt Ryan will cause it

Hey!!

[Northern Davincia]

You aren't winning me with your populist horseshit. I don't much enjoy the tyranny of majority.

Its not tyranny of the majority.

What would you have your sparsely populated county has more representation than Portland or the coast? Your vote for statewide office counts more because one has to win a majority of counties to be elected?

How is it not tyranny of the majority?

[Scomagia]

I guess they could. It’d probably be smarter to strike some sort of deal.

Why should the other party give them anything after a stunt like this?

To get them to comeback. You don't need to be very clever to see how these strategies work. Fuck, go back and look at the walkout earlier this year if you want the playbook.

[Bear Stearns]

The Juice is Loose!

[Arlenton]

Because it looks like they currently have quite a bit of leverage if they are able to prevent votes.

The Oregon legislature is required to adjourn by the end of the month. They haven't passed a budget, among other things.

So it’s no cap and trade bill or no budget?

[The Two Jerseys]

You said earlier that these Republican Senators should ignore their districts’ constituents and instead vote for what the state as a whole (aka the urban majority) wants.

they are free to vote against the bill not shut down government like children because they don't get any ice cream.

Like the Senate Democrats were free to vote against Brett Kavanaugh and not stall infinitely like children who don't want to go to school?

[San Lumen]

I guess they could. It’d probably be smarter to strike some sort of deal.

I mean, that is exactly the plan. The whole logic of walkouts is that they can force concessions from an indifferent, overwhelming majority.

Why not just not come back and the legislative session expires without a budget? There is no alleged oppression from Salem as no money is appropriated to anything and your little farming town can do whatever it wants for a short while before money runs out

[Scomagia]

They won't. That would be illegal. I'm afraid I can't dumb this down any further for you than this: there will be negotiations, the Senators will get some kind of concession that pleases their base, then the vote, then business as usual. If you want to be foolish about how these things work, go right ahead, but the game is clear and this is far from the first round.

If was in the state legislature leadership I;'d tell them to go to hell. They would get nothing from me after a stunt like this.

Good job, now you look like the douche to your constituents for letting the Senate be stalled because you wouldn't even negotiate.

[San Lumen]

Its not tyranny of the majority.

What would you have your sparsely populated county has more representation than Portland or the coast? Your vote for statewide office counts more because one has to win a majority of counties to be elected?

How is it not tyranny of the majority?

Your zip code should determine how much your vote counts? Someone in Portland should have their vote count less than a small town in the southeast corner of the state?

[Scomagia]

There’s no law preventing them from doing so, that I’m aware of anyway. Seems like they are creatively going out of their way to protect their constituents and local communities. This isn’t about ice cream, the lives of farmers and timber workers are literally on the line.

By giving the middle finger to the rest of the state and the majority of the population

No, by representing those they were elected to represent.

[Arlenton]

You aren't winning me with your populist horseshit. I don't much enjoy the tyranny of majority.

Its not tyranny of the majority.

What would you have your sparsely populated county has more representation than Portland or the coast? Your vote for statewide office counts more because one has to win a majority of counties to be elected?

The rural districts don’t have any more power than the urban districts in Oregon. And all districts have roughly equal population. There is nothing the Republicans are doing that the Democrats can’t do.

[Scomagia]

And God bless them for it.

So how about they just stay away until the next election. That way the majority can get nothing done at all.

There's no reason to do that, so they won't. I'm sorry you can't understand politicking.

[The Two Jerseys]

By giving the middle finger to the rest of the state and the majority of the population

Your right. They should say fuck you to they people of their district who elected them and vote on a bill that will literally cause them to lose their farm and timber jobs because some people in another part of a state have a hard on for Bill Nye.

You're talking to someone who is on the record saying that elected politicians should ignore their constituents and vote however they themselves please.

[Diopolis]

How is it not tyranny of the majority?

Your zip code should determine how much your vote counts? Someone in Portland should have their vote count less than a small town in the southeast corner of the state?

Rural people's votes should count for more than urbanites, for the simple reason that if urban regions stop functioning, people do a lot more drugs, but if rural regions stop functioning, everyone starves.

[Scomagia]

I mean, that is exactly the plan. The whole logic of walkouts is that they can force concessions from an indifferent, overwhelming majority.

Why not just not come back and the legislative session expires without a budget? There is no alleged oppression from Salem as no money is appropriated to anything and your little farming town can do whatever it wants for a short while before money runs out

Because this is a better move for getting concession for their constituents. Christ, this is like talking to a wall.

[Thermodolia]

Eh I don’t think so.

I don't see racial tensions leading to a cycle of retaliation from anyone on the right. Non-racists don't care because they'd rather get rid of the racists. Racists don't care because they accept street fighting as a casualty of doing business.
Pro-life is different. There's an understood rule that pro-life protesters are expected to be unarmed and that it's lead by women. That alone makes it more likely to lead to retaliation and escalating violence. There's also the fact that it's usually an issue close to the average conservative's heart which conservatives already have a hard time trusting the normal political process on, and which, by the way, could potentially draw in a much wider net of armed groups than your typical drugged out neonazis.
That's why I picked georgia march for life(and Atlanta because of the recent heartbeat bill).

And I don’t think it would do anything in Georgia. Georgia Democrat’s are more concerned with picking up those extra seats in one of the chambers and suing the shit out of the state to care.

Besides shit about it has mostly died down. I really don’t see a massive confrontation in Georgia. IIRC the GA March for life isn’t that big. The pride parade draws in more people than the march for life

[Scomagia]

How is it not tyranny of the majority?

Your zip code should determine how much your vote counts? Someone in Portland should have their vote count less than a small town in the southeast corner of the state?

Said nobody.

[San Lumen]

By giving the middle finger to the rest of the state and the majority of the population

No, by representing those they were elected to represent.

And so are those in districts held by Democrats. They are free to vote against the bill and then they can have town halls and campaign next time and say look what those awful people from Portland did.

So how about they just stay away until the next election. That way the majority can get nothing done at all.

There's no reason to do that, so they won't. I'm sorry you can't understand politicking.

Why? They can let the legislature adjourn having not passed a budget. The evil people on the coast and Portland won't have forced it on you as you put it.

[Diopolis]

I don't see racial tensions leading to a cycle of retaliation from anyone on the right. Non-racists don't care because they'd rather get rid of the racists. Racists don't care because they accept street fighting as a casualty of doing business.
Pro-life is different. There's an understood rule that pro-life protesters are expected to be unarmed and that it's lead by women. That alone makes it more likely to lead to retaliation and escalating violence. There's also the fact that it's usually an issue close to the average conservative's heart which conservatives already have a hard time trusting the normal political process on, and which, by the way, could potentially draw in a much wider net of armed groups than your typical drugged out neonazis.
That's why I picked georgia march for life(and Atlanta because of the recent heartbeat bill).

And I don’t think it would do anything in Georgia. Georgia Democrat’s are more concerned with picking up those extra seats in one of the chambers and suing the shit out of the state to care.

Besides shit about it has mostly died down. I really don’t see a massive confrontation in Georgia. IIRC the GA March for life isn’t that big. The pride parade draws in more people than the march for life

I never said it was likely. Just that it was more likely than another bleeding Kansas over, say, BLM.

[Northern Davincia]

How is it not tyranny of the majority?

Your zip code should determine how much your vote counts? Someone in Portland should have their vote count less than a small town in the southeast corner of the state?

You didn't answer my question.

[Thermodolia]

I mean, that is exactly the plan. The whole logic of walkouts is that they can force concessions from an indifferent, overwhelming majority.

Why not just not come back and the legislative session expires without a budget? There is no alleged oppression from Salem as no money is appropriated to anything and your little farming town can do whatever it wants for a short while before money runs out

You do realize that in many nations and states around the world they’ll just use the budget from last year of one cannot be made this year right? The US federal government is actually unique in the way it passes a budget