Oregon Republicans facing arrest

[Arlenton]

Why not? Are they breaking any laws? If no, then it looks like it’s something they can do. They are protecting a vulnerable minority from a majority backed law that will harm them.

by shutting down the government? Why not just not show up at all until the next election since they dont respect that they lose the last election?

I guess they could. It’d probably be smarter to strike some sort of deal.

[San Lumen]

No I did not.

You said earlier that these Republican Senators should ignore their districts’ constituents and instead vote for what the state as a whole (aka the urban majority) wants.

they are free to vote against the bill not shut down government like children because they don't get any ice cream.

[Thermodolia]

The rest of the nation is not like NY Lumen. In quite a lot of states, pretty much all of them, the biggest offices are all elected plus the entire judicial branch.

Either way it’s pretty much a moot point as the bureaucracy will still keep running

I am not referring to offices like Attorney General or Comptroller. We elect those in New York.

There are many appointments the Governor of every state makes to boards and commissions and to lead state agencies and other positions within those agencies. The head of the DMV is appointed by the governor for example

You do realize what “acting” means right? If a spot can’t be filled it will either be vacant or will have an acting head. Also a few states don’t require legislative assent before appointments. Also also a lot of states, like mine, elect members to the boards and commissions

[San Lumen]

by shutting down the government? Why not just not show up at all until the next election since they dont respect that they lose the last election?

I guess they could. It’d probably be smarter to strike some sort of deal.

Why should the other party give them anything after a stunt like this?

[Scomagia]

This stunt could open them to challengers from their party...or a third party. This is going to go down exactly as it has before: Walkout, negotiation, return, vote. I'd bet hard money on this outcome.

Besides, there is an additional reason to return : as of today they will receive 500 dollar fines for every day they refuse to come back.

and they could refuse to pay it.

They won't. That would be illegal. I'm afraid I can't dumb this down any further for you than this: there will be negotiations, the Senators will get some kind of concession that pleases their base, then the vote, then business as usual. If you want to be foolish about how these things work, go right ahead, but the game is clear and this is far from the first round.

[San Lumen]

I am not referring to offices like Attorney General or Comptroller. We elect those in New York.

There are many appointments the Governor of every state makes to boards and commissions and to lead state agencies and other positions within those agencies. The head of the DMV is appointed by the governor for example

You do realize what “acting” means right? If a spot can’t be filled it will either be vacant or will have an acting head. Also a few states don’t require legislative assent before appointments. Also also a lot of states, like mine, elect members to the boards and commissions

Yes but they can't be acting indefinitely.

I am not an expert on every state but I am certain every governor makes appointments

[Scomagia]

They were elected to represent rural Oregon. Not the state as a whole.

and respect the will of the majority of the state. They dont get to dictate policy as they are not in the majority and shut down the government like a petulant child

Bullshit.

[Mushet]

Given that the Dems have advocated destroying the Electoral College because they got butthurt in the last election, A Few Republians leaving their state is minor compared to what the dems want: Tyranny By Majority.

The Electoral College is garbage.

People matter more than the land.

43 states have a smaller population than Los Angeles County. The Electoral College ensures that they have the same voice as the coastal elites. People think LA or NYC should in effect- determine the outcome of every election?

Oh, we're peddling that myth again?

People matter. Soil doesn't.

However you may feel about the electoral comments can you please stop making such nonsensical and disrespectful comments. We all depend on the land for survival so the landbase, the soil, etc. certainly does matter more than people.

[San Lumen]

and they could refuse to pay it.

They won't. That would be illegal. I'm afraid I can't dumb this down any further for you than this: there will be negotiations, the Senators will get some kind of concession that pleases their base, then the vote, then business as usual. If you want to be foolish about how these things work, go right ahead, but the game is clear and this is far from the first round.

If was in the state legislature leadership I;'d tell them to go to hell. They would get nothing from me after a stunt like this.

[Arlenton]

You said earlier that these Republican Senators should ignore their districts’ constituents and instead vote for what the state as a whole (aka the urban majority) wants.

they are free to vote against the bill not shut down government like children because they don't get any ice cream.

There’s no law preventing them from doing so, that I’m aware of anyway. Seems like they are creatively going out of their way to protect their constituents and local communities. This isn’t about ice cream, the lives of farmers and timber workers are literally on the line.

[Thermodolia]

You said inner city. Besides the metro area is pretty much half and half at this point. During the hight of the BLM protests nothing crazy happened in Atlanta.

I really don’t think anything would actually happen in Atlanta. Many conservatives hate going near it while many liberals hate leaving it

Well sticking with the Sunbelt, a BLM guy did go on a killing spree in Dallas.

Ya shit could go down there. I just don’t see it happening in Atlanta. We’re too busy trying to kill eachother with our driving to care

[Scomagia]

What the hell is that shit ?

The governor have to send the police after elected representatives because those people are unwilling to do their job ?

Tell me this is a dream. that is this some sort of fake news.

Did the USA truly reached that kind of low ???

this is the most ridiculous news I heard today... Sometimes, I think conservatives should ba banned from voting.

It might surprise you to learn, then, that this happens from time to time and cross-parties.

[San Lumen]

they are free to vote against the bill not shut down government like children because they don't get any ice cream.

There’s no law preventing them from doing so, that I’m aware of anyway. Seems like they are creatively going out of their way to protect their constituents and local communities. This isn’t about ice cream, the lives of farmers and timber workers are literally on the line.

By giving the middle finger to the rest of the state and the majority of the population

[Thermodolia]

That’s pretty much the only time people from outside of the metro ever go downtown much less into Atlanta. Outside of that you’re going to be hard pressed to find people in the metro area who agree with the abortion law.

Republicans could actually lose a chamber if they aren’t careful

And?
I'd still consider an antifa attack on georgia march for life to be the closest thing to a plausible scenario that leads to a spiral of out of control political violence.

Eh I don’t think so.

[Scomagia]

and respect the will of the majority of the state. They dont get to dictate policy as they are not in the majority and shut down the government like a petulant child

Why not? Are they breaking any laws? If no, then it looks like it’s something they can do. They are protecting a vulnerable minority from a majority backed law that will harm them.

And God bless them for it.

[San Lumen]

Why not? Are they breaking any laws? If no, then it looks like it’s something they can do. They are protecting a vulnerable minority from a majority backed law that will harm them.

And God bless them for it.

So how about they just stay away until the next election. That way the majority can get nothing done at all.

[Northern Davincia]

There’s no law preventing them from doing so, that I’m aware of anyway. Seems like they are creatively going out of their way to protect their constituents and local communities. This isn’t about ice cream, the lives of farmers and timber workers are literally on the line.

By giving the middle finger to the rest of the state and the majority of the population

Argumentum ad populum sways you very easily.

[Thermodolia]

You do realize what “acting” means right? If a spot can’t be filled it will either be vacant or will have an acting head. Also a few states don’t require legislative assent before appointments. Also also a lot of states, like mine, elect members to the boards and commissions

Yes but they can't be acting indefinitely.

I am not an expert on every state but I am certain every governor makes appointments

Yes they can be acting head of whatever indefinitely.

I never said that no Governor makes appointments, what I said is that in some states they don’t require the legislatures approval.

[Scomagia]

I didn't say that. I am merely pointing out that a significant portion of this state is marginalized, demeaned and, frankly, abused by Salem.

Yeah how dare those people in Portland and the coast have their votes for statewide office counted equally as yours and they get more representation based on their population

You aren't winning me with your populist horseshit. I don't much enjoy the tyranny of majority.

[Arlenton]

I guess they could. It’d probably be smarter to strike some sort of deal.

Why should the other party give them anything after a stunt like this?

Because it looks like they currently have quite a bit of leverage if they are able to prevent votes.

[Scomagia]

PERFECT. Well done lumen.

Nice to know your support rigged elections

Nice to know you support mob rule and the silencing of minorities.

[San Lumen]

Yeah how dare those people in Portland and the coast have their votes for statewide office counted equally as yours and they get more representation based on their population

You aren't winning me with your populist horseshit. I don't much enjoy the tyranny of majority.

Its not tyranny of the majority.

What would you have your sparsely populated county has more representation than Portland or the coast? Your vote for statewide office counts more because one has to win a majority of counties to be elected?

[Farnhamia]

Why should the other party give them anything after a stunt like this?

Because it looks like they currently have quite a bit of leverage if they are able to prevent votes.

The Oregon legislature is required to adjourn by the end of the month. They haven't passed a budget, among other things.

[Bear Stearns]

Well sticking with the Sunbelt, a BLM guy did go on a killing spree in Dallas.

Ya shit could go down there. I just don’t see it happening in Atlanta. We’re too busy trying to kill eachother with our driving to care

Matt Ryan will cause it

[Scomagia]

by shutting down the government? Why not just not show up at all until the next election since they dont respect that they lose the last election?

I guess they could. It’d probably be smarter to strike some sort of deal.

I mean, that is exactly the plan. The whole logic of walkouts is that they can force concessions from an indifferent, overwhelming majority.