Oregon Republicans facing arrest

[The Emerald Legion]

Why would they do that when they can do this instead? Why go for the explicitly least possible route when it isn’t necessary?

Then why not prevent the majority from passing almost anything or confirming any nominations from the governor

I mean, there's a difference between throwing a fit and knocking the cook over to stop what he's doing when he's putting a cake of a flavor you dislike in the oven, and throwing a fit and knocking the cook over to stop what he's doing when he's putting a child in the oven.

In both cases you are preventing someone from putting something in the oven. But the context of WHAT that is is relevant.

[San Lumen]

and that would likely violate the Voting Rights Act as its unlikely in some states people of certain ethnic groups would get elected.

That’s an extremely racist statement. You do realize that in a PR system the parties come up with party lists which have the entire list of the people who would be the legislators if they win.

And if you seriously believe that the democrats wouldn’t have minorities on their electoral lists then we have some serious problems

Many people dont know this but Oregon has a long history of racism. It was founded as a white state and specifically prohibited non whites from moving to the state with a law beginning in 1844. In 1857 it was enshrined into the constitution. The Black exclusion laws were repealed via referendum in 1926 with 62 percent voting in favor.

Dude up until 1865 slavery was fucking legal. It’s really no surprise that they banned non-whites in 1857. The fact that they repealed it in 1926 further destroys your argument

even today Oregon remains a a very white state compared to rest of the west coast and most immigration to the state is largely white. Portland in fact contains over two thirds of states African American population.

And? Do you really think that the democrats wouldn’t have minorities on their electoral lists? Also is New Mexico full of racists because there aren’t any blacks in New Mexico?

What racist about it? What’s to say the party would chose people from Portland? How would someone from Lincoln City know the issues in Portland? This is why I favor mmp

Oregon as far I as I know was the only state to ever explicitly ban a whole race from settling in the state.

I never said New Mexico was full of racists. Some states don’t have a large population of certain groups

[Diopolis]

Hardly. You're assertion is that the Oregon Republicans are not performing their duty by using the procedural rules of their office in order to get their constituents what they want, and should instead have simply voted no and allowed the measure to pass.

Either methods beyond simple voting are ok, in which case what the Oregon Republicans do is acceptable, which is directly contrary to your present argument, or it is not, and the veritable ocean of Frivolous lawsuits and judicial activism that have hamstrung the executives branches acting out the plans of the Duly Elected president are also unacceptable.

Either legal tricks are acceptable or not. Choose one.

Again since they are outvoted why not do this on almost every bill? Legal tricks are not acceptable. Do the job you were elected to do or resign

They don't do this on every bill because not every bill will destroy their constituent's livelihoods.

[Vassenor]

Again since they are outvoted why not do this on almost every bill? Legal tricks are not acceptable. Do the job you were elected to do or resign

They don't do this on every bill because not every bill will destroy their constituent's livelihoods.

I forget, did anyone actually provide evidence that it would?

[San Lumen]

Again since they are outvoted why not do this on almost every bill? Legal tricks are not acceptable. Do the job you were elected to do or resign

They don't do this on every bill because not every bill will destroy their constituent's livelihoods.

Run better candidates. Elections have consequences

[Diopolis]

They don't do this on every bill because not every bill will destroy their constituent's livelihoods.

I forget, did anyone actually provide evidence that it would?

I forget too, but that is their claim and it looks like they believe it. Honestly I don't know enough about the specifics of the logging industry in Oregon.

[Thermodolia]

That’s an extremely racist statement. You do realize that in a PR system the parties come up with party lists which have the entire list of the people who would be the legislators if they win.

And if you seriously believe that the democrats wouldn’t have minorities on their electoral lists then we have some serious problems


Dude up until 1865 slavery was fucking legal. It’s really no surprise that they banned non-whites in 1857. The fact that they repealed it in 1926 further destroys your argument


And? Do you really think that the democrats wouldn’t have minorities on their electoral lists? Also is New Mexico full of racists because there aren’t any blacks in New Mexico?

What racist about it?

Because you are basing things on people’s race. Claiming that without the VRA black people are nothing. I find that horribly racist

What’s to say the party would chose people from Portland?

They’d probably cease to be a state party then. Still doesn’t mean that not having districts will mean that no minorities are in office

How would someone from Lincoln City know the issues in Portland?

What is local government? The states job is to focus on issues that effect the entire state. Local issues are best left up too the local government. That’s why we have a federal system instead of a unitary system like the UK or France.

Also you can have a bicameral system in which the senate is elected by districts overlapping with the counties.

Oregon as far I as I know was the only state to ever explicitly ban a whole race from settling in the state.

Yet they got rid of those laws at the height of the Jim Crow laws. And furthermore it happened over 100 years ago. Oregon today isn’t gonna ban black people because you remove the voting rights act.

I never said New Mexico was full of racists. Some states don’t have a large population of certain groups

I never said you did that why I asked you the fucking question. You implied that Oregon was racist because it didn’t have a lot of blacks living in it. Therefore it can be assumed that you think other states like New Mexico are also racist because they don’t have a lot of blacks living in it.

[Thermodolia]

They don't do this on every bill because not every bill will destroy their constituent's livelihoods.

Run better candidates. Elections have consequences

I’m sure you wouldn’t be saying this if the democrats got wiped out of power in Albany or if Nazis got elected

[Ors Might]

They don't do this on every bill because not every bill will destroy their constituent's livelihoods.

I forget, did anyone actually provide evidence that it would?

Looking at the bill and the industry’s reaction to the possibility of it passing, it’s likely that it would fuck up at least a fair few of their constituents. Fearing that they’d lose a lot of money over the thirty year period, at least one company began laying people off.

Using that as an example, we can safely say that at least a fair number of their constituents would royally fucked by this bill.

[Diopolis]

They don't do this on every bill because not every bill will destroy their constituent's livelihoods.

Run better candidates. Elections have consequences

You haven't been listening to anything anyone else in this thread has been saying, have you?

[Thermodolia]

Run better candidates. Elections have consequences

You haven't been listening to anything anyone else in this thread has been saying, have you?

Why would they do that? Republicans don’t matter

[Ors Might]

They don't do this on every bill because not every bill will destroy their constituent's livelihoods.

Run better candidates. Elections have consequences

Consequences like representatives being chosen that’ll use tactics like this.

[Diopolis]

You haven't been listening to anything anyone else in this thread has been saying, have you?

Why would they do that? Republicans don’t matter

Silly me, I forgot.

[The Two Jerseys]

Run better candidates. Elections have consequences

I’m sure you wouldn’t be saying this if the democrats got wiped out of power in Albany or if Nazis got elected

Considering Lumen spent a month begging the Electoral College to be faithless and not vote for Donald trump...

[Thermodolia]

I’m sure you wouldn’t be saying this if the democrats got wiped out of power in Albany or if Nazis got elected

Considering Lumen spent a month begging the Electoral College to be faithless and not vote for Donald trump...

Maybe the democrats just should have run better candidates. Elections have consequences ya know

[Paddy O Fernature]

Considering Lumen spent a month begging the Electoral College to be faithless and not vote for Donald trump...

Maybe the democrats just should have run better candidates. Elections have consequences ya know

Trump 2020: Make America Salty Again?

[Kowani]

“Free and fair elections”

The Abraham Lincoln administration was voted in both in 1860 and 1864.

Sigh

[Thermodolia]

The Abraham Lincoln administration was voted in both in 1860 and 1864.

Sigh

It’s ok I understood what you meant

[San Lumen]

Run better candidates. Elections have consequences

I’m sure you wouldn’t be saying this if the democrats got wiped out of power in Albany or if Nazis got elected

If they won a free and fair election I would

[Kowani]

I forget, did anyone actually provide evidence that it would?

Looking at the bill and the industry’s reaction to the possibility of it passing, it’s likely that it would fuck up at least a fair few of their constituents. Fearing that they’d lose a lot of money over the thirty year period, at least one company began laying people off.

Using that as an example, we can safely say that at least a fair number of their constituents would royally fucked by this bill.

[Thermodolia]

I’m sure you wouldn’t be saying this if the democrats got wiped out of power in Albany or if Nazis got elected

If they won a free and fair election I would

Bullshit. Press x to doubt

[Ors Might]

Looking at the bill and the industry’s reaction to the possibility of it passing, it’s likely that it would fuck up at least a fair few of their constituents. Fearing that they’d lose a lot of money over the thirty year period, at least one company began laying people off.

Using that as an example, we can safely say that at least a fair number of their constituents would royally fucked by this bill.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say with this? Regardless of whether or not its corporate whining, it’s a fact that a bill that would lead to mass lay offs would be harmful to those people losing their jobs.

[Thermodolia]

Looking at the bill and the industry’s reaction to the possibility of it passing, it’s likely that it would fuck up at least a fair few of their constituents. Fearing that they’d lose a lot of money over the thirty year period, at least one company began laying people off.

Using that as an example, we can safely say that at least a fair number of their constituents would royally fucked by this bill.

That’s not the same thing and you know it

[Kowani]

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say with this? Regardless of whether or not its corporate whining, it’s a fact that a bill that would lead to mass lay offs would be harmful to those people losing their jobs.

Perhaps the idea that industry’s reaction is not always the greatest guide to how the bill would effect them.

That’s not the same thing and you know it

It is the principle that I speak of.

[San Lumen]

What racist about it?

Because you are basing things on people’s race. Claiming that without the VRA black people are nothing. I find that horribly racist

What’s to say the party would chose people from Portland?

They’d probably cease to be a state party then. Still doesn’t mean that not having districts will mean that no minorities are in office

How would someone from Lincoln City know the issues in Portland?

What is local government? The states job is to focus on issues that effect the entire state. Local issues are best left up too the local government. That’s why we have a federal system instead of a unitary system like the UK or France.

Also you can have a bicameral system in which the senate is elected by districts overlapping with the counties.

Oregon as far I as I know was the only state to ever explicitly ban a whole race from settling in the state.

Yet they got rid of those laws at the height of the Jim Crow laws. And furthermore it happened over 100 years ago. Oregon today isn’t gonna ban black people because you remove the voting rights act.

I never said New Mexico was full of racists. Some states don’t have a large population of certain groups

I never said you did that why I asked you the fucking question. You implied that Oregon was racist because it didn’t have a lot of blacks living in it. Therefore it can be assumed that you think other states like New Mexico are also racist because they don’t have a lot of blacks living in it.

I never said African Americans are nothing without the VRA. In Southern States I very doubt you'd see much non whites being chosen for the list as they would pick people who could win statewide Its doubtful you'd see as many elected as its no longer district based.

Some issues may seem local but are in fact not.

What do you mean by districts overlapping the counties? We have already established many times that electing by counties in inherently unfair as rural counties are unfairly favored.

I didnt say Oregon would ban blacks if your repealed the VRA. You know it does more than require certain districts? It ensures everyone has a right to vote in theory. Nor did I say the state was racist. I love your mischaracterizations.

If they won a free and fair election I would

Bullshit. Press x to doubt

Doubt all you want. I respect free and fair elections and the peaceful transfer of power. If Republicans somehow won full control in Albany however unlikely I would respect that result as angry and upset as I would be.