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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:There are several state borders that are frankly illogical/impractical, and it would make sense to change some of them.

Any state with major, similarly-sized metros on opposite ends of the state should be split so that the new states can better serve the local area.

For instance:

Florida (split right above Tampa)
California (split midway between LA and SF)
Texas (split so that Dallas, Austin, and Houston are all in separate states)
Pennsylvania (Philly and Pittsburgh would be in separate states)
New York (Upstate vs NYC)
Ohio (Cleveland vs Cincy)

And so on.

if people want it they can petition the state legislature for a referendum. The New York one will never happen as New York is not a state where residents can initiate a referendum. Only the legislature can do it and it must be voted on in two consecutive sessions.


I'm aware. I'm just saying that from a practical viewpoint, several of our state borders are just illogical, and we should raise awareness about this.
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Postby Tornado Queendom » Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:59 pm

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:What’s the latest on this story? I haven’t heard much.

The quorum was restored after the fleeing senators were promised it wouldn't be voted on. So, pretty much exactly what I said would happen. Once again the handwringers worrying about impending civil conflict have been shown to be chicken littles.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:00 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
San Lumen wrote:if people want it they can petition the state legislature for a referendum. The New York one will never happen as New York is not a state where residents can initiate a referendum. Only the legislature can do it and it must be voted on in two consecutive sessions.


I'm aware. I'm just saying that from a practical viewpoint, several of our state borders are just illogical, and we should raise awareness about this.

Good luck getting a referendum on the ballot and even better luck getting it passed.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:01 pm

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:What’s the latest on this story? I haven’t heard much.

The quorum was restored after the fleeing senators were promised it wouldn't be voted on. So, pretty much exactly what I said would happen. Once again the handwringers worrying about impending civil conflict have been shown to be chicken littles.


So it’s back to business. Ok. I think that’s best. Get back to work and readdress this bill at a later date and with everyone’s input.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
I'm aware. I'm just saying that from a practical viewpoint, several of our state borders are just illogical, and we should raise awareness about this.

Good luck getting a referendum on the ballot and even better luck getting it passed.


And I wish you lot luck in getting the 2A repealed.

:)

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:02 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Or they could simply vote no and not impede the business of the legislature or give the finger to the rest of the state. By that logic why not simply refuse to show up at all and prevent the Governor from getting any nominations or the legislature from passing anything including the budget.

This has already been explained to you. Work on your reading comprehension so you can stop repeating things to which answers have been given.

There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension by the logic given by some they should just not show up at all next session and the legislature and governor can get nothing down and they can own those in on the coast and the Willamette Valley for having the audacity to outvote them.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:03 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Good luck getting a referendum on the ballot and even better luck getting it passed.


And I wish you lot luck in getting the 2A repealed.

:)

Completely irrelevant to what we were talking about.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:04 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:What’s the latest on this story? I haven’t heard much.

The quorum was restored after the fleeing senators were promised it wouldn't be voted on. So, pretty much exactly what I said would happen. Once again the handwringers worrying about impending civil conflict have been shown to be chicken littles.


So is the bill dead or is the governor gonna try some shenaniganry?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:04 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Scomagia wrote:The quorum was restored after the fleeing senators were promised it wouldn't be voted on. So, pretty much exactly what I said would happen. Once again the handwringers worrying about impending civil conflict have been shown to be chicken littles.


So is the bill dead or is the governor gonna try some shenaniganry?

for now from what i heard but they could bring it up at a later date.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
And I wish you lot luck in getting the 2A repealed.

:)

Completely irrelevant to what we were talking about.


Just making an comment about uncanny similarity that I'm seeing here and leaving it at that.

:)
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:10 pm

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How did they not honor the results of the election. Did they lose their elections, and take office anyways?

They were elected to represent their districts. If their districts didn't want the bill passed, the legislators should use any legal means to accomplish that.

Or they could simply vote no and not impede the business of the legislature or give the finger to the rest of the state. By that logic why not simply refuse to show up at all and prevent the Governor from getting any nominations or the legislature from passing anything including the budget.


Because there may be bills that their constituents want passed in the next legislative session. Maybe there's projects they want funded by the next budget. Maybe they want to weigh in on any gubernatorial nominations.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:12 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Or they could simply vote no and not impede the business of the legislature or give the finger to the rest of the state. By that logic why not simply refuse to show up at all and prevent the Governor from getting any nominations or the legislature from passing anything including the budget.


Because there may be bills that their constituents want passed in the next legislative session. Maybe there's projects they want funded by the next budget. Maybe they want to weigh in on any gubernatorial nominations.


Quite. Because the contention of this bill, it’s best to set it aside (not vote), go back to work and readdress later on.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:12 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Or they could simply vote no and not impede the business of the legislature or give the finger to the rest of the state. By that logic why not simply refuse to show up at all and prevent the Governor from getting any nominations or the legislature from passing anything including the budget.


Because there may be bills that their constituents want passed in the next legislative session. Maybe there's projects they want funded by the next budget. Maybe they want to weigh in on any gubernatorial nominations.

They dont have the votes to stop those nominations and to get any bills passed they would need votes from the other side. They dont have a majority.

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Because there may be bills that their constituents want passed in the next legislative session. Maybe there's projects they want funded by the next budget. Maybe they want to weigh in on any gubernatorial nominations.

They dont have the votes to stop those nominations and to get any bills passed they would need votes from the other side. They dont have a majority.


They may not have the votes to do so by themselves, but just because legislators are in a party, doesn't mean they have to vote with their party 100% of the time.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:18 pm

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Scomagia wrote:The quorum was restored after the fleeing senators were promised it wouldn't be voted on. So, pretty much exactly what I said would happen. Once again the handwringers worrying about impending civil conflict have been shown to be chicken littles.

A civil war is happening right now, as seen with Antifa attacking right-wingers for no reason.
Also, CHICKEN LITTLE?! REALLY?! THAT MOVIE FUCKING SUCKS! Watch Chicken Run by Aardman instead.

That does not make a civil war. You gotta have a lot more than tankies and Antifa beating people up to have a civil war.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:20 pm

Tornado Queendom wrote:Also, CHICKEN LITTLE?! REALLY?! THAT MOVIE FUCKING SUCKS! Watch Chicken Run by Aardman instead.


what
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:20 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They dont have the votes to stop those nominations and to get any bills passed they would need votes from the other side. They dont have a majority.


They may not have the votes to do so by themselves, but just because legislators are in a party, doesn't mean they have to vote with their party 100% of the time.

I never said they did

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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:22 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Scomagia wrote:The quorum was restored after the fleeing senators were promised it wouldn't be voted on. So, pretty much exactly what I said would happen. Once again the handwringers worrying about impending civil conflict have been shown to be chicken littles.


So is the bill dead or is the governor gonna try some shenaniganry?

Seems dead for now. I'm sure there'll be some chicanery afoot the next time it comes up, probably another attempt to silence voters by blocking referendum.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:24 pm

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Tornado Queendom wrote:Also, CHICKEN LITTLE?! REALLY?! THAT MOVIE FUCKING SUCKS! Watch Chicken Run by Aardman instead.


what

Someone didn't realize that chicken little predates the movie.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Scomagia wrote:This has already been explained to you. Work on your reading comprehension so you can stop repeating things to which answers have been given.

There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension by the logic given by some they should just not show up at all next session and the legislature and governor can get nothing down and they can own those in on the coast and the Willamette Valley for having the audacity to outvote them.

There's obviously something going on when you keep asking the same asinine question that has already been answered. You've been told why they won't just do it again.
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Postby Akaran Islands » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:33 pm

The Republicans are completely justified in doing so. This climate bill would kill industry for the rural areas of the state, and is mainly being passed due to Portland having a ton of power over the state. If the Republicans voted on the bill, it would be passed and completely screw over their constituents. What the Republicans are doing is a form of protest, and the democrats did exactly the same thing for a bill they didn't like in the early 2000s. Violence against the police by the Republicans and militias is completely justified, don't forget that the reason we have the second amendment is to be able to stand up to our government.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:41 pm

Akaran Islands wrote:The Republicans are completely justified in doing so. This climate bill would kill industry for the rural areas of the state, and is mainly being passed due to Portland having a ton of power over the state. If the Republicans voted on the bill, it would be passed and completely screw over their constituents.

Which is probably the point of the bill.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:43 pm

Scomagia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension by the logic given by some they should just not show up at all next session and the legislature and governor can get nothing down and they can own those in on the coast and the Willamette Valley for having the audacity to outvote them.

There's obviously something going on when you keep asking the same asinine question that has already been answered. You've been told why they won't just do it again.

No its simply not respecting the outcome of an election. They could simply vote no and then campaign on how bad the bill was and those evil people in the Willamette Valley are ought to get them.
Akaran Islands wrote:The Republicans are completely justified in doing so. This climate bill would kill industry for the rural areas of the state, and is mainly being passed due to Portland having a ton of power over the state. If the Republicans voted on the bill, it would be passed and completely screw over their constituents. What the Republicans are doing is a form of protest, and the democrats did exactly the same thing for a bill they didn't like in the early 2000s. Violence against the police by the Republicans and militias is completely justified, don't forget that the reason we have the second amendment is to be able to stand up to our government.

Portland gets the amount of representation it does because of its populations. You support elected officials and militias being violent towards a government elected in a free and fair election?

By your logic how about they not show up at all and those evil people in the Willamette Valley home to almost 65 percent of the state get dictated too by the minority
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:46 pm

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San Lumen wrote:By your logic how about they not show up at all and those evil people in the Willamette Valley home to almost 65 percent of the state get dictated too by the minority

I'm one of those people. :p

I know. It was meant as a joke.

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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Scomagia wrote:There's obviously something going on when you keep asking the same asinine question that has already been answered. You've been told why they won't just do it again.

No its simply not respecting the outcome of an election. They could simply vote no and then campaign on how bad the bill was and those evil people in the Willamette Valley are ought to get them.
Akaran Islands wrote:The Republicans are completely justified in doing so. This climate bill would kill industry for the rural areas of the state, and is mainly being passed due to Portland having a ton of power over the state. If the Republicans voted on the bill, it would be passed and completely screw over their constituents. What the Republicans are doing is a form of protest, and the democrats did exactly the same thing for a bill they didn't like in the early 2000s. Violence against the police by the Republicans and militias is completely justified, don't forget that the reason we have the second amendment is to be able to stand up to our government.

Portland gets the amount of representation it does because of its populations. You support elected officials and militias being violent towards a government elected in a free and fair election?

By your logic how about they not show up at all and those evil people in the Willamette Valley home to almost 65 percent of the state get dictated too by the minority

Keep making the same asinine statements, then. I'm sure people will find them super convincing the eighth fucking time over. :roll:
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