Oregon Republicans facing arrest

[Ifreann]

Or they can get a driver's license in whatever state they live in. Assuming they can drive.


Why would it only be for citizens? It's a driver's license. It's for drivers.

The point is to identify yourself. Why would people learn how to drive so that they can identify themselves? That's stupid.

Illegal immigrants being given driver's licenses actively inconveniences every citizen and legal resident who has one by devaluing the utility of their license.

No it doesn't.

[Vassenor]

Illegal immigrants being given driver's licenses actively inconveniences every citizen and legal resident who has one by devaluing the utility of their license.

No it doesn't.

Don't you know that someone else being able to drive makes you unable to drive as much?

[Ifreann]

No it doesn't.

Don't you know that someone else being able to drive makes you unable to drive as much?

I mean. That is kind of true. More drivers means more traffic.

[Gormwood]

So your argument is a textbook slippery slope.

Drivers licenses are typically accepted as ID to prove your citizenship. By giving them to illegals, it forces you to go through additional hoops and carry additional paperwork in order to accommodate people who shouldn't be here to begin with.

Oh, Ye Olde Millions of Illegals Voting Democrat Spook Story.

[Telconi]

Illegal immigrants being given driver's licenses actively inconveniences every citizen and legal resident who has one by devaluing the utility of their license.

No it doesn't.

Yes, because having to scrounge up some other form of ID isn't inconvenient at all...

Or perhaps Ifreann is simply posting ignorant stupidity, hrmmm...

[The Emerald Legion]

Illegal immigrants being given driver's licenses actively inconveniences every citizen and legal resident who has one by devaluing the utility of their license.

No it doesn't.

Yes it does. Your driver's license in America serves as a legal ID. You might not like that because it makes your arguments for giving illegals drivers licenses stupid, but that's the way it is.

By giving them to illegals, which why the fuck should we do that rather than pitching them back over the border, we degrade that functionality.

[Ifreann]

No it doesn't.

Yes, because having to scrounge up some other form of Izd isn't inconvenient at all...

Correct, it isn't.

I mean, surely it isn't, otherwise the government is keeping people who have every right to vote from doing so...

[Ifreann]

No it doesn't.

Yes it does. Your driver's license in America serves as a legal ID. You might not like that because it makes your arguments for giving illegals drivers licenses stupid, but that's the way it is.

Then they way it is is stupid. What do people do who can't or don't drive? You do that as well. There, simples.

By giving them to illegals, which why the fuck should we do that rather than pitching them back over the border, we degrade that functionality.

State governments are giving them to people who can drive in their state. Immigration enforcement is nothing to do with state governments.

[Vassenor]

Yes it does. Your driver's license in America serves as a legal ID. You might not like that because it makes your arguments for giving illegals drivers licenses stupid, but that's the way it is.

Then they way it is is stupid. What do people do who can't or don't drive? You do that as well. There, simples.

By giving them to illegals, which why the fuck should we do that rather than pitching them back over the border, we degrade that functionality.

State governments are giving them to people who can drive in their state. Immigration enforcement is nothing to do with state governments.

But that would mean not treating them as untermenschen.

[Gormwood]

Funny how right-wingers are whining like migrants getting drivers' licences means they're suddenly immune to deportation.

[Telconi]

Yes, because having to scrounge up some other form of Izd isn't inconvenient at all...

Correct, it isn't.

I mean, surely it isn't, otherwise the government is keeping people who have every right to vote from doing so...

Okay...

[Scomagia]

Or they can get a driver's license in whatever state they live in. Assuming they can drive.


Why would it only be for citizens? It's a driver's license. It's for drivers.

The point is to identify yourself. Why would people learn how to drive so that they can identify themselves? That's stupid.

Illegal immigrants being given driver's licenses actively inconveniences every citizen and legal resident who has one by devaluing the utility of their license.

Let's not forget that Oregon has a program that automatically registers people to vote with the acquisition of a driver's license. I'm sure there won't be any tomfoolery or accidental registration of non-eligable people.

[Gormwood]

Illegal immigrants being given driver's licenses actively inconveniences every citizen and legal resident who has one by devaluing the utility of their license.

Let's not forget that Oregon has a program that automatically registers people to vote with the acquisition of a driver's license. I'm sure there won't be any tomfoolery or accidental registration of non-eligable people.

"Millions Of Illegals Voting!!!" So when has migrant voting actually affected state or nation elections?

[Scomagia]

Let's not forget that Oregon has a program that automatically registers people to vote with the acquisition of a driver's license. I'm sure there won't be any tomfoolery or accidental registration of non-eligable people.

"Millions Of Illegals Voting!!!" So when has migrant voting actually affected state or nation elections?

I didn't say that. You can jam that strawman back into the dark place that it came from.

[Telconi]

Let's not forget that Oregon has a program that automatically registers people to vote with the acquisition of a driver's license. I'm sure there won't be any tomfoolery or accidental registration of non-eligable people.

"Millions Of Illegals Voting!!!" So when has migrant voting actually affected state or nation elections?

When has cybersecurity?

[Gormwood]

When has cybersecurity?

2016, our intelligence agencies, as well as multiple international studies show that from many organizations and democratic governments.

It was inevitable, technologically speaking for cyber warfare to take place in elections as well.

He's just being contrarian and disingenuous as always.

[Claorica]

A Few Republians leaving their state is minor compared to what the dems want: Tyranny By Majority.

Any proof of that?

Wanting to centralize power in the federal government (almost to the level of a unitary government) while wanting to abolish the US Senate and Electoral College?

[San Lumen]

Any proof of that?

Wanting to centralize power in the federal government (almost to the level of a unitary government) while wanting to abolish the US Senate and Electoral College?

No one has talked about abolishing the senate.

Oregon had an election and voted in democrats to control the state legislature by a wide margin and gave them every statewide office largely due to the Willamette valley which is 65 percent of the state population but that's a horrible thing to you? The votes of someone in Portland ought to count less than someone in rural Oregon right?

[Telconi]

When has cybersecurity?

2016, our intelligence agencies, as well as multiple international studies show that from many organizations and democratic governments.

It was inevitable, technologically speaking for cyber warfare to take place in elections as well.

I must have missed that, last I heard there was no evidence any vote counts were compromised.

[Telconi]

Wanting to centralize power in the federal government (almost to the level of a unitary government) while wanting to abolish the US Senate and Electoral College?

No one has talked about abolishing the senate.

Oregon had an election and voted in democrats to control the state legislature by a wide margin and gave them every statewide office largely due to the Willamette valley which is 65 percent of the state population but that's a horrible thing to you? The votes of someone in Portland ought to count less than someone in rural Oregon right?

I'm pretty sure every active poster on NSG has answered this before.

[Claorica]

Wanting to centralize power in the federal government (almost to the level of a unitary government) while wanting to abolish the US Senate and Electoral College?

No one has talked about abolishing the senate.

Oregon had an election and voted in democrats to control the state legislature by a wide margin and gave them every statewide office largely due to the Willamette valley which is 65 percent of the state population but that's a horrible thing to you? The votes of someone in Portland ought to count less than someone in rural Oregon right?

Just the recently deceased longest-serving congressperson (a democrat, of course).

The Republicans didn't do anything illegal and are using quorum-busting because the Democrats refused to compromise or hold a referendum on the law at hand. Obviously, they feel that this will harm or in some way affect their constituencies in a way that necessitates their opposition by any means necessary. In this case, majority rule doesn't matter, because rules and loopholes are there for a reason, and I am 100% on board with a minority political faction using those rules and loopholes when the matter at hand necessitates extraordinary action. ANd it's not like the Democrats didn't do this in Texas, or that it is unheard of. Hell, Abraham lincoln tried to quorum bust once, involving him jumping from a window (because the doors were locked)

IIRC, the support for this measure in polling was an extremely narrow majority, and so the Republicans wanted to hold a referendum. When refused by the majority, they then tried to offer amendments to moderate the extremely aggressive aspects of the measure. Only when no negotiation was possible did they decide to quorum bust.

[Bear Stearns]

Sic 'em boys

[The Two Jerseys]

Democrats doing a great job respecting the results of that free and fair election!

The elections that gave them control of the state government?

The elections with a ballot question where the people voted overwhelmingly against giving illegals drivers licenses?

[Jakker]

Or perhaps Ifreann is simply posting ignorant stupidity, hrmmm...

There was no reason to personally insult. This was borderline, but given your history, *** 3-day ban for Flaming ***. This applies to you, the player, and not just this nation.




As a note to all, let's get back to the actual topic of the thread. If threadjacks continue, it will be locked.

[San Lumen]

The elections that gave them control of the state government?

The elections with a ballot question where the people voted overwhelmingly against giving illegals drivers licenses?

Why should the referendum be respected but not the result of the statewide and state legislature election