Oregon Republicans facing arrest

[Telconi]

One party rule sucks.

And people cast ballots for that in Oregon and Wyoming

And it still sucks...

[San Lumen]

And people cast ballots for that in Oregon and Wyoming

And it still sucks...

Yeah how dare people cast ballots for who they want. Can you just admit already you hate democracy and merely want a dictatorship or an election where only your side can win

[Proctopeo]

And it still sucks...

Yeah how dare people cast ballots for who they want. Can you just admit already you hate democracy and merely want a dictatorship or an election where only your side can win

Your lack of self-awareness is monumental.

[Telconi]

And it still sucks...

Yeah how dare people cast ballots for who they want. Can you just admit already you hate democracy and merely want a dictatorship or an election where only your side can win

No matter how many times you lie, your lies are still lies.

[Tobleste]

There's a difference between saying the approval of a particular minority of voters is needed for anything to be done in government and saying their needs should be ignored.

When nothing is being suggested to make sure their needs aren’t ignored, there functionally isn’t a difference.

Since democracy clearly isn’t working to make sure their needs are met, what would you suggest?

What do you base that on?

There's a difference between saying the approval of a particular minority of voters is needed for anything to be done in government and saying their needs should be ignored.

And Sn Lumen has repeatedly brought up the point that Republicans only need to lose 2 seats in Oregon to make it so that they will not even have enough people to prevent a quorum, at which point...they can and will be completely ignored as they functionally have no political power.

Are all Republicans rural? Are all Democrats urban? Does every Democrat and Republican vote along party lines? If all of these things are true, then you're right, otherwise, I don't see what your point is. Do you want a country where every citizen has a veto?

Doesn't mean it's wrong. It's not my full time job to pander to people I disagree with. The political actions of the Republican party seems crazy to me (and milions of other people) so I'll say as much. I'm not going to censor myself in case I hurt their feelings. Especially given the way they don't return the favour.

Besides, I've seen how discussions with certain segments of Americas political spectrum go. No one is going to convince them of anything.

It's wrong because you wholly misunderstand a person's reasoning for voting Republican. I do so because one-party rule in New York has proven utterly disastrous. Still, you entrench your opposition and shut down any room for cooperation when insults are your first resort.

I understand well enough.

One party rule is bad in general. Republican dominated states are even more messed up. I get voting for moderate republicans on a state level if local Democrats are screwing up. I'm talking about the idiots who made trump president.

Cooperation in what? Removing support from the poor? Making it harder for minorities to vote? Screwing the environment for the short term gain of the wealthy? Electing as many men accused of sexual assault as possible? My entire morality is different from that of Republicans. They want entirely different things from me. I can't cooperate with them anymore than I could cooperate with a mugger. Besides, they certainly seem happy to insult others so if insults shut down cooperation, there's no chance of it anyway.

[Ors Might]

When nothing is being suggested to make sure their needs aren’t ignored, there functionally isn’t a difference.

Since democracy clearly isn’t working to make sure their needs are met, what would you suggest?

What do you base that on?

And Sn Lumen has repeatedly brought up the point that Republicans only need to lose 2 seats in Oregon to make it so that they will not even have enough people to prevent a quorum, at which point...they can and will be completely ignored as they functionally have no political power.

Are all Republicans rural? Are all Democrats urban? Does every Democrat and Republican vote along party lines? If all of these things are true, then you're right, otherwise, I don't see what your point is. Do you want a country where every citizen has a veto?

It's wrong because you wholly misunderstand a person's reasoning for voting Republican. I do so because one-party rule in New York has proven utterly disastrous. Still, you entrench your opposition and shut down any room for cooperation when insults are your first resort.

I understand well enough.

One party rule is bad in general. Republican dominated states are even more messed up. I get voting for moderate republicans on a state level if local Democrats are screwing up. I'm talking about the idiots who made trump president.

Cooperation in what? Removing support from the poor? Making it harder for minorities to vote? Screwing the environment for the short term gain of the wealthy? Electing as many men accused of sexual assault as possible? My entire morality is different from that of Republicans. They want entirely different things from me. I can't cooperate with them anymore than I could cooperate with a mugger. Besides, they certainly seem happy to insult others so if insults shut down cooperation, there's no chance of it anyway.

On their needs not being met. Or is that not a problem?

[Tobleste]

What do you base that on?



Are all Republicans rural? Are all Democrats urban? Does every Democrat and Republican vote along party lines? If all of these things are true, then you're right, otherwise, I don't see what your point is. Do you want a country where every citizen has a veto?



I understand well enough.

One party rule is bad in general. Republican dominated states are even more messed up. I get voting for moderate republicans on a state level if local Democrats are screwing up. I'm talking about the idiots who made trump president.

Cooperation in what? Removing support from the poor? Making it harder for minorities to vote? Screwing the environment for the short term gain of the wealthy? Electing as many men accused of sexual assault as possible? My entire morality is different from that of Republicans. They want entirely different things from me. I can't cooperate with them anymore than I could cooperate with a mugger. Besides, they certainly seem happy to insult others so if insults shut down cooperation, there's no chance of it anyway.

On their needs not being met. Or is that not a problem?

And how are their needs not being met?

[Ors Might]

On their needs not being met. Or is that not a problem?

And how are their needs not being met?

To pull an example from ye olde memory banks, there is a serious problem with rural communities being taxed fairly heavily, at least compared to their income, in order to pay for something that would only be used by the larger cities. A public transit system. Because of the distance between the two communities. Now, I’m not saying the cities shouldn’t have a good transit system. I am saying that rural communities should have a say if their taxes go towards a project that can’t feasibly benefit them when those taxes could instead be used to fix problems they’ve been suffering from for a while.

[The Lone Alliance]

And it still sucks...

Yeah how dare people cast ballots for who they want. Can you just admit already you hate democracy and merely want a dictatorship or an election where only your side can win

And you only claim to support Democracy because you assume you have the population to make sure your side would win. If that changed you'd quickly grow to hate it.

In the end you want a system where only your side will win, you just naively assume that your side is the only one who would ever win.

That's the real reason you melted down in 2016, cause Democracy didn't deliver the results you wanted.

[Tombradyonia]

Doesn't mean it's wrong. It's not my full time job to pander to people I disagree with. The political actions of the Republican party seems crazy to me (and milions of other people) so I'll say as much. I'm not going to censor myself in case I hurt their feelings. Especially given the way they don't return the favour.

Besides, I've seen how discussions with certain segments of Americas political spectrum go. No one is going to convince them of anything.

It's wrong because you wholly misunderstand a person's reasoning for voting Republican. I do so because one-party rule in New York has proven utterly disastrous. Still, you entrench your opposition and shut down any room for cooperation when insults are your first resort.

The Republicans openly bragged for 8 years that they would refuse all cooperation with president Obama. Mitch McConnell made that very clear indeed.

Speaking of misrule, why are so many GOP controlled states near the bottom of most rankings? Why are the red states nearly all federal takers and the blue states contributors?

Frankly, I'm tired of having to subsidize GOP misrule in the socalled red states.

[San Lumen]

And how are their needs not being met?

To pull an example from ye olde memory banks, there is a serious problem with rural communities being taxed fairly heavily, at least compared to their income, in order to pay for something that would only be used by the larger cities. A public transit system. Because of the distance between the two communities. Now, I’m not saying the cities shouldn’t have a good transit system. I am saying that rural communities should have a say if their taxes go towards a project that can’t feasibly benefit them when those taxes could instead be used to fix problems they’ve been suffering from for a while.

so if Portland wants to build more light rail or upgrade the airport only the residents of the city should have to pay for it? That's not how taxes work. If that's the case why should they pay for something a small town wants

[Ors Might]

To pull an example from ye olde memory banks, there is a serious problem with rural communities being taxed fairly heavily, at least compared to their income, in order to pay for something that would only be used by the larger cities. A public transit system. Because of the distance between the two communities. Now, I’m not saying the cities shouldn’t have a good transit system. I am saying that rural communities should have a say if their taxes go towards a project that can’t feasibly benefit them when those taxes could instead be used to fix problems they’ve been suffering from for a while.

so if Portland wants to build more light rail or upgrade the airport only the residents of the city should have to pay for it? That's not how taxes work. If that's the case why should they pay for something a small town wants

I’m saying that communities should have a little say over their resources, especially when those resources could be put to use fixing problems in those communities. By your logic, why shouldn’t cities be forced to pay for the problems of rural communities?

[San Lumen]

so if Portland wants to build more light rail or upgrade the airport only the residents of the city should have to pay for it? That's not how taxes work. If that's the case why should they pay for something a small town wants

I’m saying that communities should have a little say over their resources, especially when those resources could be put to use fixing problems in those communities. By your logic, why shouldn’t cities be forced to pay for the problems of rural communities?

I asked you that very question.

[Ors Might]

I’m saying that communities should have a little say over their resources, especially when those resources could be put to use fixing problems in those communities. By your logic, why shouldn’t cities be forced to pay for the problems of rural communities?

I asked you that very question.

I’m not the one suggesting that communities should be forced to give up much needed resources.

[San Lumen]

I asked you that very question.

I’m not the one suggesting that communities should be forced to give up much needed resources.

I didn;t suggest that

[Ors Might]

I’m not the one suggesting that communities should be forced to give up much needed resources.

I didn;t suggest that

Then what’s the issue with rural communities not aiding cities build transit systems?

[San Lumen]

I didn;t suggest that

Then what’s the issue with rural communities not aiding cities build transit systems?

because that's not how taxes work.

[Ors Might]

Then what’s the issue with rural communities not aiding cities build transit systems?

because that's not how taxes work.

So then you do want communities to give up resources that they need. You’re simply hiding that behind the status quo argument. “That’s just how it is” is a bad reason for anything.

[San Lumen]

because that's not how taxes work.

So then you do want communities to give up resources that they need. You’re simply hiding that behind the status quo argument. “That’s just how it is” is a bad reason for anything.

Everyone in Oregon is part of the same state. Taxes paid to the state go everywhere. It simply isnt fair that only Portland or the county its in would have to pay for upgrades to the airport, a state highway, or a new light rail line. Plus without the valley's tax money going to rural areas I doubt they'd have the money for the stuff they want.

[Ors Might]

So then you do want communities to give up resources that they need. You’re simply hiding that behind the status quo argument. “That’s just how it is” is a bad reason for anything.

Everyone in Oregon is part of the same state. Taxes paid to the state go everywhere. It simply isnt fair that only Portland or the county its in would have to pay for upgrades to the airport, a state highway, or a new light rail line. Plus without the valley's tax money going to rural areas I doubt they'd have the money for the stuff they want.

So then why aren’t cities aiding rural communities in solving their issues? Surely if theres tax money for a high speed transit system, there’s enough to help a few small towns with their drug and unemployment crisis?

[San Lumen]

Everyone in Oregon is part of the same state. Taxes paid to the state go everywhere. It simply isnt fair that only Portland or the county its in would have to pay for upgrades to the airport, a state highway, or a new light rail line. Plus without the valley's tax money going to rural areas I doubt they'd have the money for the stuff they want.

So then why aren’t cities aiding rural communities in solving their issues? Surely if theres tax money for a high speed transit system, there’s enough to help a few small towns with their drug and unemployment crisis?

Some things are local issues. Plus some problems arent solved overnight by just throwing money at them

[Ors Might]

So then why aren’t cities aiding rural communities in solving their issues? Surely if theres tax money for a high speed transit system, there’s enough to help a few small towns with their drug and unemployment crisis?

Some things are local issues. Plus some problems arent solved overnight by just throwing money at them

How convenient that rural issues are local issues but urban issues are everyones problem.

[San Lumen]

Some things are local issues. Plus some problems arent solved overnight by just throwing money at them

How convenient that rural issues are local issues but urban issues are everyones problem.

And Portland doesnt have issues with drugs and unemployment?

[Ors Might]

How convenient that rural issues are local issues but urban issues are everyones problem.

And Portland doesnt have issues with drugs and unemployment?

Do you personally want Portland to solve all its problems alone?

[San Lumen]

And Portland doesnt have issues with drugs and unemployment?

Do you personally want Portland to solve all its problems alone?

I dont think any area should.