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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:49 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And that is being violated how? I think your misapplying the statute. Why would the state police carry pot an unlawful order?

Police officers murder innocent children, but sure, they'd never ever obey an unlawful order. :roll:

How is the order the Governor gave unlawful?

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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:51 am

These bastards have forfeit the very duties they volunteered and swore to uphold in the name of all Oregonians by getting elected; if and when they get arrested, they absolutely deserve it and to be prosecuted fully for their asinine dereliction of duty to the people of Oregon.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:55 am

Torrocca wrote:These bastards have forfeit the very duties they volunteered and swore to uphold in the name of all Oregonians by getting elected; if and when they get arrested, they absolutely deserve it and to be prosecuted fully for their asinine dereliction of duty to the people of Oregon.

We have a few people to prosecute in Texas and Wisconsin.

Besides, the fleeing senators are being fined $500 per session each.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:57 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Police officers murder innocent children, but sure, they'd never ever obey an unlawful order. :roll:

How is the order the Governor gave unlawful?

It's perfectly lawful. But you are suggesting that the order must be lawful since the police are obeying it, which is completely fucking stupid, since police officers have famously committed very serious crimes. You should know that the police are not inherently trustworthy, so you should know that it is ridiculous to say "Why would the state police carry out an unlawful order?" Just point to the law that empowers the Governor to make such an order instead of arguing that the police would never do anything wrong.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:57 am

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Torrocca wrote:These bastards have forfeit the very duties they volunteered and swore to uphold in the name of all Oregonians by getting elected; if and when they get arrested, they absolutely deserve it and to be prosecuted fully for their asinine dereliction of duty to the people of Oregon.

We have a few people to prosecute in Texas and Wisconsin.

Besides, the fleeing senators are being fined $500 per session each.


The militias need to get fucking dealt with too, to the fullest extent of the law possible or otherwise tbqh. What in the actual fuck is this Sturmabteilung bullshit?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:59 am

Torrocca wrote:
Galloism wrote:We have a few people to prosecute in Texas and Wisconsin.

Besides, the fleeing senators are being fined $500 per session each.


The militias need to get fucking dealt with too, to the fullest extent of the law possible or otherwise tbqh. What in the actual fuck is this Sturmabteilung bullshit?


Dealing with them would not be as easy as you think. It could get very bloody. These people are dangerous and heavily armed

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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:00 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How is the order the Governor gave unlawful?

It's perfectly lawful. But you are suggesting that the order must be lawful since the police are obeying it, which is completely fucking stupid, since police officers have famously committed very serious crimes. You should know that the police are not inherently trustworthy, so you should know that is it ridiculous to say "Why would the state police carry out an unlawful order?" Just point to the law that empowers the Governor to make such an order instead of arguing that the police would never do anything wrong.


The police don't even need to know all the laws in the book as they arrest you, but you do.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:01 am

Torrocca wrote:
Galloism wrote:We have a few people to prosecute in Texas and Wisconsin.

Besides, the fleeing senators are being fined $500 per session each.


The militias need to get fucking dealt with too, to the fullest extent of the law possible or otherwise tbqh. What in the actual fuck is this Sturmabteilung bullshit?

Preventing right wing militias from enforcing their political goals through the threat of violence is fascism.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:02 am

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Torrocca wrote:
The militias need to get fucking dealt with too, to the fullest extent of the law possible or otherwise tbqh. What in the actual fuck is this Sturmabteilung bullshit?


Dealing with them would not be as easy as you think. It could get very bloody. These people are dangerous and heavily armed


If these dumbass militias wanna play stupid fucking games and shoot at people in order to defend literal tyrants who're preventing a representative democracy from carrying out its democratic functions, then they're more than welcome to win the stupid fucking prizes that come along with that.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:02 am

Ifreann wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The militias need to get fucking dealt with too, to the fullest extent of the law possible or otherwise tbqh. What in the actual fuck is this Sturmabteilung bullshit?

Preventing right wing militias from enforcing their political goals through the threat of violence is fascism.


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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:12 am

Torrocca wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Dealing with them would not be as easy as you think. It could get very bloody. These people are dangerous and heavily armed


If these dumbass militias wanna play stupid fucking games and shoot at people in order to defend literal tyrants who're preventing a representative democracy from carrying out its democratic functions, then they're more than welcome to win the stupid fucking prizes that come along with that.

They haven’t shot at anyone yet and as far as I know the missing senators declined their help. Going after these militias would mean the deaths of many police officers and national guard members

Unless they engage law enforcement or do something crazy like try to occupy the state Capitol it’s not worth it

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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:15 am

San Lumen wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
If these dumbass militias wanna play stupid fucking games and shoot at people in order to defend literal tyrants who're preventing a representative democracy from carrying out its democratic functions, then they're more than welcome to win the stupid fucking prizes that come along with that.

They haven’t shot at anyone yet and as far as I know the missing senators declined their help. Going after these militias would mean the deaths of many police officers and national guard members

Unless they engage law enforcement or do something crazy like try to occupy the state Capitol it’s not worth it


Nah, they still need to be arrested for their bullshit.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:19 am

Torrocca wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They haven’t shot at anyone yet and as far as I know the missing senators declined their help. Going after these militias would mean the deaths of many police officers and national guard members

Unless they engage law enforcement or do something crazy like try to occupy the state Capitol it’s not worth it


Nah, they still need to be arrested for their bullshit.

And many state and local police and national guard members would die. Unless they do something in Salem or fire on law enforcement it’s not worth the bloodshed
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Postby Aclion » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:24 am

San Lumen wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Nah, they still need to be arrested for their bullshit.

And many state and local police and national guard members would die. Unless they do something in Salem or fire on law enforcement it’s not worth the bloodshed

I don't think state and local national guard members would agree to kill there countrymen simply because Torrocca doesn't like republicans.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:25 am

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Nah, they still need to be arrested for their bullshit.

And many state and local police and national guard members would die. Unless they do something in Salem or fire on law enforcement it’s not worth the bloodshed


And if they do nothing, the militias are still an active threat that's literally heavily helping to prevent an entire state government from functioning. There is absolutely no situation where it's worth it to let a far-right militia hold democracy hostage.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:26 am

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San Lumen wrote:And many state and local police and national guard members would die. Unless they do something in Salem or fire on law enforcement it’s not worth the bloodshed

I don't think state and local national guard members would agree to kill there countrymen simply because Torrocca doesn't like republicans.


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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:27 am

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San Lumen wrote:And many state and local police and national guard members would die. Unless they do something in Salem or fire on law enforcement it’s not worth the bloodshed

I don't think state and local national guard members would agree to kill there countrymen simply because Torrocca doesn't like republicans.

The national guard answers to the Governor.

Also how is the Governor, state senate President and state troopers violating freedom of movement and the statue you cited?

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:28 am

San Lumen wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
If these dumbass militias wanna play stupid fucking games and shoot at people in order to defend literal tyrants who're preventing a representative democracy from carrying out its democratic functions, then they're more than welcome to win the stupid fucking prizes that come along with that.

They haven’t shot at anyone yet and as far as I know the missing senators declined their help. Going after these militias would mean the deaths of many police officers and national guard members

Not if you use drone strikes. *taps head*
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:28 am

Torrocca wrote:These bastards have forfeit the very duties they volunteered and swore to uphold in the name of all Oregonians by getting elected; if and when they get arrested, they absolutely deserve it and to be prosecuted fully for their asinine dereliction of duty to the people of Oregon.

They're actually doing their job.
Preventing quorum is a legitimate means of protest, even if you disagree with why it's being done.

Torrocca wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And many state and local police and national guard members would die. Unless they do something in Salem or fire on law enforcement it’s not worth the bloodshed


And if they do nothing, the militias are still an active threat that's literally heavily helping to prevent an entire state government from functioning. There is absolutely no situation where it's worth it to let a far-right militia hold democracy hostage.

The militias aren't really doing most of that, it's more the state of Idaho that's helping the senators-in-exile.

Frankly, I do find it rather odd that the """"anarcho-communist"""" is opposed to militias contesting liberal democracy. Isn't that your whole shtick?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:29 am

Torrocca wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And many state and local police and national guard members would die. Unless they do something in Salem or fire on law enforcement it’s not worth the bloodshed


And if they do nothing, the militias are still an active threat that's literally heavily helping to prevent an entire state government from functioning. There is absolutely no situation where it's worth it to let a far-right militia hold democracy hostage.

And you tell that to the families of police officers and national guards members sent to their demises.

If they do something crazy like occupy the capitol then engage them.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:29 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Torrocca wrote:These bastards have forfeit the very duties they volunteered and swore to uphold in the name of all Oregonians by getting elected; if and when they get arrested, they absolutely deserve it and to be prosecuted fully for their asinine dereliction of duty to the people of Oregon.

They're actually doing their job.
Preventing quorum is a legitimate means of protest, even if you disagree with why it's being done.

Preventing quorum is an illegal means of protest. You support law and order, don't you?

Torrocca wrote:
And if they do nothing, the militias are still an active threat that's literally heavily helping to prevent an entire state government from functioning. There is absolutely no situation where it's worth it to let a far-right militia hold democracy hostage.

The militias aren't really doing most of that, it's more the state of Idaho that's helping the senators-in-exile.

Invade Idaho.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:31 am

Ifreann wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:They're actually doing their job.
Preventing quorum is a legitimate means of protest, even if you disagree with why it's being done.

Preventing quorum is an illegal means of protest. You support law and order, don't you?

Not all laws are just.

The militias aren't really doing most of that, it's more the state of Idaho that's helping the senators-in-exile.

Invade Idaho.

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Postby Galloism » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:31 am

Ifreann wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:They're actually doing their job.
Preventing quorum is a legitimate means of protest, even if you disagree with why it's being done.

Preventing quorum is an illegal means of protest. You support law and order, don't you?

The militias aren't really doing most of that, it's more the state of Idaho that's helping the senators-in-exile.

Invade Idaho.

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Postby Galloism » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:32 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Invade Idaho.

Gorilla warfare is a bitch.

But where will they get the gorillas?
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:32 am

Galloism wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:

Gorilla warfare is a bitch.

But where will they get the gorillas?

I hear the Navy Seals have an excess of them.
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