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Postby The South Falls » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:31 am

Scomagia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Such prejudices can be unimportant (negative against people with horn-rim glasses, versus those with prejudice against, say, black people.

Holding a prejudicial view doesn't condemn one to act on it. It's only important if acted upon.

If you're ready to display prejudice, odds are you are ready to act.
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The South Falls wrote:Such prejudices can be unimportant (negative against people with horn-rim glasses, versus those with prejudice against, say, black people.

Political prejudices then? Say, a police officer despises fascism and white supremacists and says that in public. Can they be trusted to protect and serve every member in their community?

Unless it's a town where people overtly wear swastikas.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:31 am

Yeah, if you're bigoted to the degree shown here, you probably won't be able to enforce the law fairly. I would support firing them.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:32 am

Scomagia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Such prejudices can be unimportant (negative against people with horn-rim glasses, versus those with prejudice against, say, black people.

Holding a prejudicial view doesn't condemn one to act on it. It's only important if acted upon.

That's true. But holding a position of power in which you're sanctioned to act on those prejudices make it far, far easier to do so.
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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:33 am

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Ors Might wrote:That’s silly though. To the best of my knowledge, racial prejudice isn’t any more or less likely to show through than political prejudice.

Ah, my bad. I thought you were going to pull something absurd out of the bucket, such as “people named Frank.”
But no, you’re right.

People that say things along the lines of “prejudice has no place in our police force” really haven’t thought the whole prejudice thing through. Prejudice can result from any belief system via confirmation bias. You simply can’t eliminate prejudice on the whole without managing to find someone who has never formed a belief.
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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:33 am

The South Falls wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Holding a prejudicial view doesn't condemn one to act on it. It's only important if acted upon.

If you're ready to display prejudice, odds are you are ready to act.
Ors Might wrote:Political prejudices then? Say, a police officer despises fascism and white supremacists and says that in public. Can they be trusted to protect and serve every member in their community?

Unless it's a town where people overtly wear swastikas.

And in a town filled with people willing to commit violence against the fascist minority?
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:35 am

The South Falls wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Holding a prejudicial view doesn't condemn one to act on it. It's only important if acted upon.

If you're ready to display prejudice, odds are you are ready to act.
Ors Might wrote:Political prejudices then? Say, a police officer despises fascism and white supremacists and says that in public. Can they be trusted to protect and serve every member in their community?

Unless it's a town where people overtly wear swastikas.

Source?
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:36 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Holding a prejudicial view doesn't condemn one to act on it. It's only important if acted upon.

That's true. But holding a position of power in which you're sanctioned to act on those prejudices make it far, far easier to do so.

And when you do, you should be punished. Enough with this Crimethink bullshit.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:36 am

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Kowani wrote:Yes, and? I’m not them, but I’m pretty sure that they were referring to those kinds of prejudice.


That’s completely false.

Do you have an actual argument besides "nuh uh!"? It's demonstrably true that the contents of people's thoughts don't inherently cause them to act those thoughts out.

Not every action of prejudice is a cop walking down the street and killing someone because of their prejudice, there’s a lot more that goes into it-and on that front, cops fail.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:36 am

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The Two Jerseys wrote:I miss Frank Rizzo.

Who?

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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:37 am

Kowani wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Do you have an actual argument besides "nuh uh!"? It's demonstrably true that the contents of people's thoughts don't inherently cause them to act those thoughts out.

Not every action of prejudice is a cop walking down the street and killing someone because of their prejudice, there’s a lot more that goes into it-and on that front, cops fail.
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That doesn't demonstrate that holding a belief makes one act upon it.
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:38 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:I miss Frank Rizzo.

Who?

A character from one of those garbage network police shows.
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Postby The South Falls » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:44 am

Scomagia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:If you're ready to display prejudice, odds are you are ready to act.
Unless it's a town where people overtly wear swastikas.

Source?

Stereotyping prejudice and discrimination, page 3 talks about subtle racism. In 44% of studies, whites, when chosen to give help to whites or blacks, gave less help or less helpful help to blacks. That is prejudice, which manifested in discrimination.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Su ... 1dd2de.pdf
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Postby The South Falls » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:45 am

Ors Might wrote:
The South Falls wrote:If you're ready to display prejudice, odds are you are ready to act.
Unless it's a town where people overtly wear swastikas.

And in a town filled with people willing to commit violence against the fascist minority?

In that town, no.
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Postby The South Falls » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:46 am

Scomagia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Who?

A character from one of those garbage network police shows.

live PD and stuff?
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:49 am

The South Falls wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Source?

Stereotyping prejudice and discrimination, page 3 talks about subtle racism. In 44% of studies, whites, when chosen to give help to whites or blacks, gave less help or less helpful help to blacks. That is prejudice, which manifested in discrimination.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Su ... 1dd2de.pdf

Which still doesn't make holding prejudice lead to prejudiced actions. We shouldn't be firing people for something they might possibly do to someone someday. Actions matter.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:50 am

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Kowani wrote:Not every action of prejudice is a cop walking down the street and killing someone because of their prejudice, there’s a lot more that goes into it-and on that front, cops fail.
Source.

That doesn't demonstrate that holding a belief makes one act upon it.

…Out of curiosity, who do you think’s most likely to act upon their prejudice? Those who actually have the belief or not?
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:52 am

The South Falls wrote:
Scomagia wrote:A character from one of those garbage network police shows.

live PD and stuff?

One of the fictional ones. You know, the ones where they can blow up incredibly small parts of photos with no resolution loss to see a minute detail critical to solving the case.
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:53 am

Kowani wrote:
Scomagia wrote:That doesn't demonstrate that holding a belief makes one act upon it.

…Out of curiosity, who do you think’s most likely to act upon their prejudice? Those who actually have the belief or not?

People who hold the belief. That doesn't inherently mean they will or are even likely to act.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:54 am

Scomagia wrote:
Kowani wrote:…Out of curiosity, who do you think’s most likely to act upon their prejudice? Those who actually have the belief or not?

People who hold the belief. That doesn't inherently mean they will or are even likely to act.

Except, you know, by the time they act, someone’s been hurt.
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:01 pm

Kowani wrote:
Scomagia wrote:People who hold the belief. That doesn't inherently mean they will or are even likely to act.

Except, you know, by the time they act, someone’s been hurt.

That's true with any crime. That still doesn't mean you get to punish people for things they might possibly do to someone, sometime, somewhere.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:01 pm

Kowani wrote:
Scomagia wrote:People who hold the belief. That doesn't inherently mean they will or are even likely to act.

Except, you know, by the time they act, someone’s been hurt.


Except discriminating against someone because of what they might do is Immoral.
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-Ocelot- wrote:Not until their termination from the force is confirmed.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:08 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Except, you know, by the time they act, someone’s been hurt.

That's true with any crime.
Unlike most crimes, we have the means to watch them-and public servants are members of the government, and thus, held to a higher standard.
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/ ... -20101.pdf
That still doesn't mean you get to punish people for things they might possibly do to someone, sometime, somewhere.[/quote]
:rofl: Take it up with the legal system. It’s got a bunch of those built in.

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Kowani wrote:Except, you know, by the time they act, someone’s been hurt.


Except discriminating against someone because of what they might do is Immoral.

Morality is subjective, try again.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:09 pm

Kowani wrote:
Scomagia wrote:That's true with any crime.
Unlike most crimes, we have the means to watch them-and public servants are members of the government, and thus, held to a higher standard.
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/ ... -20101.pdf
That still doesn't mean you get to punish people for things they might possibly do to someone, sometime, somewhere.

:rofl: Take it up with the legal system. It’s got a bunch of those built in.

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Kowani wrote:Except, you know, by the time they act, someone’s been hurt.


Except discriminating against someone because of what they might do is Immoral.

Morality is subjective, try again.[/quote]

Morality is never subjective. We just disagree over what it is.
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