by San Lumen » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:26 am
by The South Falls » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:39 am
by San Lumen » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:40 am
The South Falls wrote:If you're ready to post something in public, then you should face the consequences.
And anyway, free speech states that the government cannot take action against you, not a private company. I understand that free speech does involve hate speech, but there has been a long history of companies taking action (and being within their right to take an action) against people who propagate hate speech.
by The Emerald Legion » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:42 am
The South Falls wrote:If you're ready to post something in public, then you should face the consequences.
And anyway, free speech states that the government cannot take action against you, not a private company. I understand that free speech does involve hate speech, but there has been a long history of companies taking action (and being within their right to take an action) against people who propagate hate speech.
by San Lumen » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:52 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:The South Falls wrote:If you're ready to post something in public, then you should face the consequences.
And anyway, free speech states that the government cannot take action against you, not a private company. I understand that free speech does involve hate speech, but there has been a long history of companies taking action (and being within their right to take an action) against people who propagate hate speech.
I mean, technically, the police aren't a private company and are an arm of the government.
That being said. Those guys are so fucked it isn't even funny. The government does not like bad publicity at all...
by Ors Might » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:05 am
The South Falls wrote:If you're ready to post something in public, then you should face the consequences.
And anyway, free speech states that the government cannot take action against you, not a private company. I understand that free speech does involve hate speech, but there has been a long history of companies taking action (and being within their right to take an action) against people who propagate hate speech.
by San Lumen » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:07 am
Ors Might wrote:The South Falls wrote:If you're ready to post something in public, then you should face the consequences.
And anyway, free speech states that the government cannot take action against you, not a private company. I understand that free speech does involve hate speech, but there has been a long history of companies taking action (and being within their right to take an action) against people who propagate hate speech.
I don’t think the police force is a private company though? It’s run at the state or local level. I don’t know about things like cities or towns but I do know that the Bill of Rights is something that the states have to abide by.
by Ors Might » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:12 am
San Lumen wrote:Ors Might wrote:I don’t think the police force is a private company though? It’s run at the state or local level. I don’t know about things like cities or towns but I do know that the Bill of Rights is something that the states have to abide by.
As far as know its not. That doesnt mean the department has tolerate bigotry. Some of the posts are beyond disturbing. I went through the link in the Slate article and its hard to get through.
by San Lumen » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:14 am
Ors Might wrote:San Lumen wrote:
As far as know its not. That doesnt mean the department has tolerate bigotry. Some of the posts are beyond disturbing. I went through the link in the Slate article and its hard to get through.
Do police officers give up their first amendment rights upon becoming officers? If not, then it boils down to whether or not these posts leave them objectively less capable of doing their jobs. I haven’t seen any evidence suggesting that to be the case for every officer affected by this.
by The South Falls » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:15 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:The South Falls wrote:If you're ready to post something in public, then you should face the consequences.
And anyway, free speech states that the government cannot take action against you, not a private company. I understand that free speech does involve hate speech, but there has been a long history of companies taking action (and being within their right to take an action) against people who propagate hate speech.
I mean, technically, the police aren't a private company and are an arm of the government.
That being said. Those guys are so fucked it isn't even funny. The government does not like bad publicity at all...
by Ors Might » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:17 am
San Lumen wrote:Ors Might wrote:Do police officers give up their first amendment rights upon becoming officers? If not, then it boils down to whether or not these posts leave them objectively less capable of doing their jobs. I haven’t seen any evidence suggesting that to be the case for every officer affected by this.
Never said they did. But its likey that someone who posts stuff like that brings it to work with them. That is why there will be an investigation and a law firm was brought it.
by San Lumen » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:22 am
Ors Might wrote:San Lumen wrote:Never said they did. But its likey that someone who posts stuff like that brings it to work with them. That is why there will be an investigation and a law firm was brought it.
If they don’t lose their first amendment rights then the department does have to tolerate bigotry if said bigotry doesn’t negatively impact the performance of the officer.
by Purpelia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:24 am
by San Lumen » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:24 am
Purpelia wrote:As much as I can understand why this was done I feel it is fundamentally wrong for a business to punish its employees for something they do on their own free time.
by Thermodolia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:25 am
Ors Might wrote:San Lumen wrote:Never said they did. But its likey that someone who posts stuff like that brings it to work with them. That is why there will be an investigation and a law firm was brought it.
If they don’t lose their first amendment rights then the department does have to tolerate bigotry if said bigotry doesn’t negatively impact the performance of the officer.
by Kowani » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:26 am
Purpelia wrote:As much as I can understand why this was done I feel it is fundamentally wrong for a business to punish its employees for something they do on their own free time. Bad publicity should not be a reason to punish someone. Investigate? Maybe.
by The South Falls » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:26 am
Purpelia wrote:As much as I can understand why this was done I feel it is fundamentally wrong for a business to punish its employees for something they do on their own free time. Bad publicity should not be a reason to punish someone. Investigate? Maybe.
by The South Falls » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:27 am
Ors Might wrote:San Lumen wrote:Never said they did. But its likey that someone who posts stuff like that brings it to work with them. That is why there will be an investigation and a law firm was brought it.
If they don’t lose their first amendment rights then the department does have to tolerate bigotry if said bigotry doesn’t negatively impact the performance of the officer.
by San Lumen » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:28 am
The South Falls wrote:Ors Might wrote:If they don’t lose their first amendment rights then the department does have to tolerate bigotry if said bigotry doesn’t negatively impact the performance of the officer.
Said bigotry could cause an officer to, say, unlawfully assault someone in the process of an arrest.
by Ifreann » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:30 am
by His Excellence » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:37 am
Ors Might wrote:If they don’t lose their first amendment rights then the department does have to tolerate bigotry if said bigotry doesn’t negatively impact the performance of the officer.
by San Lumen » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:46 am
Ifreann wrote:How shocking that violent racists and bigots joined the police force, where they can be violent against people they hate and get away with it.
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