Creationism in Public Schools

[Kowani]

That’s not how it works.

How else does it work?

If your goal is to teach multiple points of view, then you can’t tell them it’s wrong. If you’re trying to teach the truth, there’s no reason to teach it.

[NeoOasis]

Exactly. Plus, keep immigrants out is selfish, in a way that they can’t look for other jobs in their country and have to move to the nearest one that has opportunities for them, and the money they spend to travel again won’t likely be enough. Also, why keep them out when they COULD rebuild the civilisation? We want humans to live, not one specific race.

If we took out Creationism from schools, almost nothing will happen to the birthrate, and nothing will happen to the immigration system. Sexual intimacy is independent and does not need the teaching of creationism to turn it on.

I still await the day Creationism be taken out from schools. It isn’t scientific, why is it in science classes‽ Also, It’s about damn time, also to prove it doesn’t change the birthrate.

Also, creationism can be against Saiwania's ideas too.

If creationism is taken from science classes, would you support teaching it as part of history or religion?

Absolutely yes. Religion has shaped the way history has formed, it has shaped the way we look and judge past events. I firmly believe that if creationism must have any place anywhere... it would be theology or history of religion.

[Kowani]

2. Keeping immigrants out has nothing at all to do with creationism.

Exactly. Plus, keep immigrants out is selfish, in a way that they can’t look for other jobs in their country and have to move to the nearest one that has opportunities for them, and the money they spend to travel again won’t likely be enough. Also, why keep them out when they COULD rebuild the civilisation? We want humans to live, not one specific race.

If we took out Creationism from schools, almost nothing will happen to the birthrate, and nothing will happen to the immigration system. Sexual intimacy is independent and does not need the teaching of creationism to turn it on.

I still await the day Creationism be taken out from schools. It isn’t scientific, why is it in science classes‽ Also, It’s about damn time, also to prove it doesn’t change the birthrate.

Sai’s a white Nationalist, that’s why he doesn’t want immigrants.

[Geneviev]

How else does it work?

If your goal is to teach multiple points of view, then you can’t tell them it’s wrong. If you’re trying to teach the truth, there’s no reason to teach it.

I didn't think about that.

[The Black Forrest]

How else does it work?

If your goal is to teach multiple points of view, then you can’t tell them it’s wrong. If you’re trying to teach the truth, there’s no reason to teach it.

Sure there is. One is science the other is religion. Religon has no place in the science classroom just as science doesn't have a place in a sermon.

Mentioning Creationism in regards to evolution? Sure why not. Expecting creationism to be taught and end with Oh but it's wrong? Nope.

[Kowani]

If your goal is to teach multiple points of view, then you can’t tell them it’s wrong. If you’re trying to teach the truth, there’s no reason to teach it.

Sure there is. One is science the other is religion. Religon has no place in the science classroom just as science doesn't have a place in a sermon.

Mentioning Creationism in regards to evolution? Sure why not. Expecting creationism to be taught and end with Oh but it's wrong? Nope.

That’s fair, but that wasn’t Gen’s purpose.

[Jolthig]

Why this a debate? Should schools impose a doctrine? These should teach them both theories. Not a science inquisition. Did you forgot the Spanish Inquisition?
Science still working on new theories, so many things are relatively new.
Oh, I forgot, it's America, you can change it by a law, so doesn't matter. You can legalize or forbid everything you want.

Creationism is NOT science. It's theology. If a school wants to teach creationism, it ought to create an appropriate course, not shove an unrelated idea into a subject. The fact schools are forced to teach creationism in a science class is already imposing a doctrine.

Also I'm not sure why people treat creationism like a single monolithic idea. There are dozens if not hundreds of intelligent design myths, theories, and stories. Surely we should give each one equal time and discussion?

I mean, creationism, when it was coined, was fitted into the context of young earthers from evangelicalism advocating for a 6000 year old earth.

[Bluelight-R006]

Exactly. Plus, keep immigrants out is selfish, in a way that they can’t look for other jobs in their country and have to move to the nearest one that has opportunities for them, and the money they spend to travel again won’t likely be enough. Also, why keep them out when they COULD rebuild the civilisation? We want humans to live, not one specific race.

If we took out Creationism from schools, almost nothing will happen to the birthrate, and nothing will happen to the immigration system. Sexual intimacy is independent and does not need the teaching of creationism to turn it on.

I still await the day Creationism be taken out from schools. It isn’t scientific, why is it in science classes‽ Also, It’s about damn time, also to prove it doesn’t change the birthrate.

Also, creationism can be against Saiwania's ideas too.

If creationism is taken from science classes, would you support teaching it as part of history or religion?

I would support it as part of history or religion, but it should never be taught in science class. Unless it’s being taught as the wrong idea...

Exactly. Plus, keep immigrants out is selfish, in a way that they can’t look for other jobs in their country and have to move to the nearest one that has opportunities for them, and the money they spend to travel again won’t likely be enough. Also, why keep them out when they COULD rebuild the civilisation? We want humans to live, not one specific race.

If we took out Creationism from schools, almost nothing will happen to the birthrate, and nothing will happen to the immigration system. Sexual intimacy is independent and does not need the teaching of creationism to turn it on.

I still await the day Creationism be taken out from schools. It isn’t scientific, why is it in science classes‽ Also, It’s about damn time, also to prove it doesn’t change the birthrate.

Sai’s a white Nationalist, that’s why he doesn’t want immigrants.

Got it.

[Geneviev]

Creationism is NOT science. It's theology. If a school wants to teach creationism, it ought to create an appropriate course, not shove an unrelated idea into a subject. The fact schools are forced to teach creationism in a science class is already imposing a doctrine.

Also I'm not sure why people treat creationism like a single monolithic idea. There are dozens if not hundreds of intelligent design myths, theories, and stories. Surely we should give each one equal time and discussion?

I mean, creationism, when it was coined, was fitted into the context of young earthers from evangelicalism advocating for a 6000 year old earth.

Much like evangelicalism itself, creationism means a lot of things. It's just to confuse people.

What I was asking about in this thread was young earth creationism, where the earth is 6000 years old and was created in six days.

[Kowani]

I mean, creationism, when it was coined, was fitted into the context of young earthers from evangelicalism advocating for a 6000 year old earth.

Much oike evangelicalism itself, creationism means a lot of things. It's just to confuse people.

What I was asking about in this thread was young earth creationism, where the earth is 6000 years old and was created in six days.

I would say that idea should go in the dustbin of history, but that might contaminate the trash.

[Geneviev]

Much oike evangelicalism itself, creationism means a lot of things. It's just to confuse people.

What I was asking about in this thread was young earth creationism, where the earth is 6000 years old and was created in six days.

I would say that idea should go in the dustbin of history, but that might contaminate the trash.

That's a little harsh. It's not that bad.

[The Brytish Isles]

I would say that idea should go in the dustbin of history, but that might contaminate the trash.

That's a little harsh. It's not that bad.

It’s bullshit. Plain and simple.

[Neanderthaland]

I would say that idea should go in the dustbin of history, but that might contaminate the trash.

That's a little harsh. It's not that bad.

It is.

[Bluelight-R006]

I would say that idea should go in the dustbin of history, but that might contaminate the trash.

That's a little harsh. It's not that bad.

It is that bad, not to me, though. You can’t tell anyone Creationism is not that bad without getting a negative response. Creationism has been known to be a stupid and illogical idea that simply cuts corners on where we came from, and denies all forms of scientific evidence.

[Kowani]

I would say that idea should go in the dustbin of history, but that might contaminate the trash.

That's a little harsh. It's not that bad.

Not just in itself, in what it represents-it really is that bad.

[Geneviev]

That's a little harsh. It's not that bad.

It is that bad, not to me, though. You can’t tell anyone Creationism is not that bad without getting a negative response. Creationism has been known to be a stupid and illogical idea that simply cuts corners on where we came from, and denies all forms of scientific evidence.

It definitely isn't scientific, but it's just a belief that doesn't harm anyone.

That's a little harsh. It's not that bad.

Not just in itself, in what it represents-it really is that bad.

What do you mean?

[United States of Natan]

Public schools should not be teaching creationism. Creationism is a religious belief, not a science. The government cannot promote one religious belief over another. Therefore, it cannot be permitted in public schools.

[Kowani]

It is that bad, not to me, though. You can’t tell anyone Creationism is not that bad without getting a negative response. Creationism has been known to be a stupid and illogical idea that simply cuts corners on where we came from, and denies all forms of scientific evidence.

It definitely isn't scientific, but it's just a belief that doesn't harm anyone.

Not just in itself, in what it represents-it really is that bad.

What do you mean?

Willful Ignorance, Religious Fundamentalism, American Conservatism, Science Denialism.

[The Brytish Isles]

It is that bad, not to me, though. You can’t tell anyone Creationism is not that bad without getting a negative response. Creationism has been known to be a stupid and illogical idea that simply cuts corners on where we came from, and denies all forms of scientific evidence.

It definitely isn't scientific, but it's just a belief that doesn't harm anyone.

Not just in itself, in what it represents-it really is that bad.

What do you mean?

It’s absolutely contradictory to current science. It really should be left in the trash where it belongs.

[Bluelight-R006]

It is that bad, not to me, though. You can’t tell anyone Creationism is not that bad without getting a negative response. Creationism has been known to be a stupid and illogical idea that simply cuts corners on where we came from, and denies all forms of scientific evidence.

It definitely isn't scientific, but it's just a belief that doesn't harm anyone.

It harms those who hate unscientific beliefs.

[Neanderthaland]

Not just in itself, in what it represents-it really is that bad.

What do you mean?

Creationism encourages a culture of actively hating and refusing to listen to anyone who is educated, or works in academia. They teach children to disregard the opinions of professionals who have studied their whole lives, because what they say might contradict Creationism. Regardless of their field.

And if you don't think that has consequences beyond just being wrong about how old the Earth is, then you haven't been paying attention. There's a huge block of ignorant idiots in America that believe "liberal academics" are the enemy, and are lying to them about everything.

[The Grims]

It is that bad, not to me, though. You can’t tell anyone Creationism is not that bad without getting a negative response. Creationism has been known to be a stupid and illogical idea that simply cuts corners on where we came from, and denies all forms of scientific evidence.

It definitely isn't scientific, but it's just a belief that doesn't harm anyone.

Unless they are a doctor or in charge of a nuclear powerplant.
Pretending things work in a way they do not can be quite harmful.

[Geneviev]

What do you mean?

Creationism encourages a culture of actively hating and refusing to listen to anyone who is educated, or works in academia. They teach children to disregard the opinions of professionals who have studied their whole lives, because what they say might contradict Creationism. Regardless of their field.

And if you don't think that has consequences beyond just being wrong about how old the Earth is, then you haven't been paying attention. There's a huge block of ignorant idiots in America that believe "liberal academics" are the enemy, and are lying to them about everything.

Creationism may encourage questioning science, but the idea that all academics are dishonest doesn't just come from creationism. It's caused by conspiracy theorists and some news.

[The Brytish Isles]

Creationism encourages a culture of actively hating and refusing to listen to anyone who is educated, or works in academia. They teach children to disregard the opinions of professionals who have studied their whole lives, because what they say might contradict Creationism. Regardless of their field.

And if you don't think that has consequences beyond just being wrong about how old the Earth is, then you haven't been paying attention. There's a huge block of ignorant idiots in America that believe "liberal academics" are the enemy, and are lying to them about everything.

Creationism may encourage questioning science, but the idea that all academics are dishonest doesn't just come from creationism. It's caused by conspiracy theorists and some news.

Keeping the idiotic belief around only encourages that kind of anti-scientific attitude.

[Neanderthaland]

Creationism encourages a culture of actively hating and refusing to listen to anyone who is educated, or works in academia. They teach children to disregard the opinions of professionals who have studied their whole lives, because what they say might contradict Creationism. Regardless of their field.

And if you don't think that has consequences beyond just being wrong about how old the Earth is, then you haven't been paying attention. There's a huge block of ignorant idiots in America that believe "liberal academics" are the enemy, and are lying to them about everything.

Creationism may encourage questioning science, but the idea that all academics are dishonest doesn't just come from creationism. It's caused by conspiracy theorists and some news.

That is a massive lie. It absolutely does.

It has been their baby since Darwin.