Creationism in Public Schools

[Jolthig]

It didn't show that refined/vs whole grain thing, that was one of the primary things.

That, and you just don't need that much in the way of carbs at all.

Indeed, it's not outdated: it's fake. It was made up by the corn industry to sell more corn-based products.

So basically a (agricultural company that starts with M that I forgot)-influenced nonsense?

[Salandriagado]

No it doesn't. It just puts lots of long words in to try to fool people who don't understand science into thinking that it's scientific. It's a con trick, pure and simple.

Meh, it is just saying that God was the one that started it all and everything went on according to the laws of nature. There is no denial of science here, however you define it. All that happened was that "nothing" was replaced with something.

It is scientific and is a reconciliation of science and belief. Continually screaming that it is a con trick is like saying that the moon landings never happened; in short, a conspiracy theory.

Ah, so you have absolutely no idea what science is, good to know. I'll give you a hint: it isn't a list of facts. Claiming unfalsifiable beliefs to be true is an outright direct denial of science.

[Salandriagado]

There are obvious links. Indeed, many of the mistakes at the heart of the antivax movement stem from not understanding evolutionary biology.

Wasn't the antovax movement coming from that research paper in the Lancet?

That's one, fairly minor and distant, cause, yes.

[Geneviev]

I've never seen a connection between creationism and anti-vaxxers.

There are obvious links. Indeed, many of the mistakes at the heart of the antivax movement stem from not understanding evolutionary biology.

And yet most creationists vaccinate their children.

[Jolthig]

No it doesn't. It just puts lots of long words in to try to fool people who don't understand science into thinking that it's scientific. It's a con trick, pure and simple.

Meh, it is just saying that God was the one that started it all and everything went on according to the laws of nature. There is no denial of science here, however you define it. All that happened was that "nothing" was replaced with something.

It is scientific and is a reconciliation of science and belief. Continually screaming that it is a con trick is like saying that the moon landings never happened; in short, a conspiracy theory.

Saying that his arguments are a conspiracy theory is irrelevant to his points. And there is literally a universal consensus among all scientists that science is the study and observation of the natural world. It isnt confined to any specific religious belief. Science is independent of all others.

[Salandriagado]

There are obvious links. Indeed, many of the mistakes at the heart of the antivax movement stem from not understanding evolutionary biology.

And yet most creationists vaccinate their children.

A rather lower percentage than among non-creationists.

[Geneviev]

And yet most creationists vaccinate their children.

A rather lower percentage than among non-creationists.

Do you have a source?

[Jolthig]

Meh, it is just saying that God was the one that started it all and everything went on according to the laws of nature. There is no denial of science here, however you define it. All that happened was that "nothing" was replaced with something.

It is scientific and is a reconciliation of science and belief. Continually screaming that it is a con trick is like saying that the moon landings never happened; in short, a conspiracy theory.

Ah, so you have absolutely no idea what science is, good to know. I'll give you a hint: it isn't a list of facts. Claiming unfalsifiable beliefs to be true is an outright direct denial of science.

Not to mention, it is basically rejecting zoology, paleontology, geology, biology, and all the other scientists in the fields that have all come to independent conclusions that evolution has strong evidence. To say otherwise is ludacris.

[Rojava Free State]

Ah, so you have absolutely no idea what science is, good to know. I'll give you a hint: it isn't a list of facts. Claiming unfalsifiable beliefs to be true is an outright direct denial of science.

Not to mention, it is basically rejecting zoology, paleontology, geology, biology, and all the other scientists in the fields that have all come to independent conclusions that evolution has strong evidence. To say otherwise is ludacris.

Public schools are government property, so shouldn't religious beliefs of any sort be kept separate from the curriculum? Separation of church and state?

[Jolthig]

Not to mention, it is basically rejecting zoology, paleontology, geology, biology, and all the other scientists in the fields that have all come to independent conclusions that evolution has strong evidence. To say otherwise is ludacris.

Public schools are government property, so shouldn't religious beliefs of any sort be kept separate from the curriculum? Separation of church and state?

Yea. As it isn't really scientific.

[Thermodolia]

There are obvious links. Indeed, many of the mistakes at the heart of the antivax movement stem from not understanding evolutionary biology.

Wasn't the antovax movement coming from that research paper in the Lancet?

You mean “research” toilet paper?

[Geneviev]

Not to mention, it is basically rejecting zoology, paleontology, geology, biology, and all the other scientists in the fields that have all come to independent conclusions that evolution has strong evidence. To say otherwise is ludacris.

Public schools are government property, so shouldn't religious beliefs of any sort be kept separate from the curriculum? Separation of church and state?

Technically, if the government isn't encouraging belief in one specific religion, it's constitutional.

[Europa Undivided]

Meh, it is just saying that God was the one that started it all and everything went on according to the laws of nature. There is no denial of science here, however you define it. All that happened was that "nothing" was replaced with something.

It is scientific and is a reconciliation of science and belief. Continually screaming that it is a con trick is like saying that the moon landings never happened; in short, a conspiracy theory.

Ah, so you have absolutely no idea what science is, good to know. I'll give you a hint: it isn't a list of facts. Claiming unfalsifiable beliefs to be true is an outright direct denial of science.

Ah, so religion is stupid. Okay.

[Europa Undivided]

Meh, it is just saying that God was the one that started it all and everything went on according to the laws of nature. There is no denial of science here, however you define it. All that happened was that "nothing" was replaced with something.

It is scientific and is a reconciliation of science and belief. Continually screaming that it is a con trick is like saying that the moon landings never happened; in short, a conspiracy theory.

Ah, so you have absolutely no idea what science is, good to know. I'll give you a hint: it isn't a list of facts. Claiming unfalsifiable beliefs to be true is an outright direct denial of science.

Science: knowledge about or study of the natural world based on facts learned through experiments and observation. : a particular area of scientific study (such as biology, physics, or chemistry) : a particular branch of science.

Do not make me laugh, Theistic evolution is only adding to science, not denying.

[Jolthig]

Ah, so you have absolutely no idea what science is, good to know. I'll give you a hint: it isn't a list of facts. Claiming unfalsifiable beliefs to be true is an outright direct denial of science.

Ah, so religion is stupid. Okay.

The heck? He didn't say that. And I say that as a religious person. That's a strawman Europa. If you want to prove your case, I would recommend not beating around the bush. Instead, let's discuss, "empircal evidence" for young earth creationism. Shall we?

[Geneviev]

Ah, so you have absolutely no idea what science is, good to know. I'll give you a hint: it isn't a list of facts. Claiming unfalsifiable beliefs to be true is an outright direct denial of science.

Ah, so religion is stupid. Okay.

No one said that yet.

[Azlaake]

Plenty Atheists and people who believe in other religions go to public schools and why would they want or need to be taught that?
also, creationism is flawed, yes so is evolution, but Creationism is this, God snaps his fingers, boom thas a tiger

[The New California Republic]

Ah, so you have absolutely no idea what science is, good to know. I'll give you a hint: it isn't a list of facts. Claiming unfalsifiable beliefs to be true is an outright direct denial of science.

Ah, so religion is stupid. Okay.

Strawman.

[Vetalia]

Creationism is not science and should not be taught in public schools, period. You are free to believe what you want on your own but science education must teach scientific concepts...it's science education, not religious education. I also wouldn't want teachers without a background in religious education teaching religious themes, especially if they adhere to a different religious belief. It would also open up a whole can of worms as the state would then have to determine which creation accounts are acceptable for teaching students, of which there are literally hundreds if not thousands around the world.

[Rojava Free State]

Plenty Atheists and people who believe in other religions go to public schools and why would they want or need to be taught that?
also, creationism is flawed, yes so is evolution, but Creationism is this, God snaps his fingers, boom thas a tiger

CrEaTiOnIsM iS sCiEnTiFiC

[Rastrian]

Creationism is not science. It should not be taught alongside actual verifiable scientific theory. This debate should be long over.

[Arthenius]

I don't think this topic should should be placed under the federal government level.

[Rastrian]

I don't think this topic should should be placed under the federal government level.

But you know that, unless a government actively legislates on it, plenty of schools will take the opportunity to just teach creationism, right? This is an issue which needs legislation.

[Geneviev]

I don't think this topic should should be placed under the federal government level.

The Supreme Court has ruled on this before, which is federal.

[Kannap]

Ah, so you have absolutely no idea what science is, good to know. I'll give you a hint: it isn't a list of facts. Claiming unfalsifiable beliefs to be true is an outright direct denial of science.

Ah, so religion is stupid. Okay.

You're reading words I didn't read in his post, where do you see them?