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What do you think?

Public schools should only teach evolution
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Public schools should teach evolution and creation science
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Public schools should only teach creation science
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:34 pm

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Maybe you been time traveling and aren’t ‘fessing up to it.

Oh no! Who are you?! Are you someone from 100,000 AD? Has humanity gone extinct? Or are we at a second Big Bang?!


It’s a secret. :3

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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:35 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
If you mention them in a historical context, for example, fine. No need to explain anything further. In a science class? Nah. No place.

To understand the actions of religions in history, you still need to have an idea of what they believe.

Sure but not everyone is interested in the topic of religion, and I say that as a religious Ahmadi Muslim.
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“Und Mirza”

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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:35 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Oh no! Who are you?! Are you someone from 100,000 AD? Has humanity gone extinct? Or are we at a second Big Bang?!


It’s a secret. :3

Catholic school graduate. Creationism wasn’t ever mentioned or studied at school. There was no need to and, afaik, no one was forced to believe anything. We were just expected to learn our assignments, and pass our classes in preparation for the future.

Interesting so a fellow theistic evolutionist like me?
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:36 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
If you mention them in a historical context, for example, fine. No need to explain anything further. In a science class? Nah. No place.

To understand the actions of religions in history, you still need to have an idea of what they believe.


Other than say this is group A and they believe or believed this, there’s no need to go any further.
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Postby Tekania » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:36 pm

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Hammer Britannia wrote:At least Theistic Evolution attempts to be scientific in nature.


No it doesn't. It just puts lots of long words in to try to fool people who don't understand science into thinking that it's scientific. It's a con trick, pure and simple.


I wouln't not call it a con, I've not generally known Theistic Evolutionists to pretend like their theology replaces the science. They are generally fairly good at keeping science and theology separate. Unlike Day-agers and Young Earth Creationists.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:37 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It’s a secret. :3

Catholic school graduate. Creationism wasn’t ever mentioned or studied at school. There was no need to and, afaik, no one was forced to believe anything. We were just expected to learn our assignments, and pass our classes in preparation for the future.

Interesting so a fellow theistic evolutionist like me?


Actually I’m an agnostic.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:38 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It’s a secret. :3

Catholic school graduate. Creationism wasn’t ever mentioned or studied at school. There was no need to and, afaik, no one was forced to believe anything. We were just expected to learn our assignments, and pass our classes in preparation for the future.

Interesting so a fellow theistic evolutionist like me?


afaik most of the religious people on NS presumably subscribe to theistic evolution
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:39 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Interesting so a fellow theistic evolutionist like me?


Actually I’m an agnostic.

Ah. Personally, while I understand the methods of science and how theories work, I am not a Darwinist due to my religious beliefs of god guiding evolution and not chance. Of course, this isnt based off of science but my book and the teachings of Ahmadiyya, but otherwise, we so acknowledge macroevolution from a theistic viewpoint.
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Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:40 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Interesting so a fellow theistic evolutionist like me?


afaik most of the religious people on NS presumably subscribe to theistic evolution

I see. Assuming you are one too as a pagan?
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby HUElavia » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:40 pm

Evolution has been given scientific evidence, while Creationism does not have much (if any) scientific evidence.

Schools should be teaching what is scientifically shown, not some beliefs by some people.

I personally believe that God created evolution and that the amount of time God created the Universe might have been in days to him, but millions upon millions of years for us humans. I think the whole "Earth is 6,000 years old" statement is crap. Even more so if there is no scientific evidence backing it.
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:42 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Geneviev wrote:To understand the actions of religions in history, you still need to have an idea of what they believe.


Other than say this is group A and they believe or believed this, there’s no need to go any further.

Fair enough.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:42 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
afaik most of the religious people on NS presumably subscribe to theistic evolution

I see. Assuming you are one too as a pagan?


Sure. Admittedly it's not a topic I think about much, if at all really, but I see no reason belief in the divine and evolution can't co-exist.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:43 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Actually I’m an agnostic.

Ah. Personally, while I understand the methods of science and how theories work, I am not a Darwinist due to my religious beliefs of god guiding evolution and not chance. Of course, this isnt based off of science but my book and the teachings of Ahmadiyya, but otherwise, we so acknowledge macroevolution from a theistic viewpoint.


I see a lot of reason and evidence in geology and the study of our planet carried by scientists. I don’t know if there is or if there isn’t a deity. The existence or non existence of a deity bears no weight in my day to day.
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Postby Tekania » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:43 pm

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Please don't call creationism an hypothesis. Hypothesis has a specific meaning in science. And something like creationism cannot meet the minimal standards of an hypothesis. For something to be an hypothesis it has to at least be falsifiable.


Actually, many versions of creationism are falsifiable: it just so happens that they've all been falsified. YEC being perhaps the most obvious.


In general however it isn't. Because their presuppositions are not subject or designed for testing. When they talk about apparent age for example there's no way to test if God created the universe with an a parent age for example. It's the equivalent to my Last-Tuesday-ism joke, whereby the universe was created ex-nihlo last Tuesday with all apparent age including all memories you think you have before that time. It's a non probable statement crafted to be untestable.... in that case for a joke, but it's more or less the essence of is creationism these days. A universe with deity involved presuppositions that cannot be falsifiable.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I see. Assuming you are one too as a pagan?


Sure. Admittedly it's not a topic I think about much, if at all really, but I see no reason belief in the divine and evolution can't co-exist.

Yeah, it's something I've recently been coming back to study on. Both Darwinian and the perspectives of the Ahmadiyya.

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Jolthig wrote:Ah. Personally, while I understand the methods of science and how theories work, I am not a Darwinist due to my religious beliefs of god guiding evolution and not chance. Of course, this isnt based off of science but my book and the teachings of Ahmadiyya, but otherwise, we so acknowledge macroevolution from a theistic viewpoint.


I see a lot of reason and evidence in geology and the study of our planet carried by scientists. I don’t know if there is or if there isn’t a deity. The existence or non existence of a deity bears no weight in my day to day.

So an apatheist?
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“Und Mirza”

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Postby Aision » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:45 pm

creation science

No such thing.

However, many scientists believe that there is more scientific evidence for creation.

Completely wrong. Those "scientists" are very few, and zero of them in the many, many fields that falsify the creation myths of Genesis.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:46 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Sure. Admittedly it's not a topic I think about much, if at all really, but I see no reason belief in the divine and evolution can't co-exist.

Yeah, it's something I've recently been coming back to study on. Both Darwinian and the perspectives of the Ahmadiyya.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I see a lot of reason and evidence in geology and the study of our planet carried by scientists. I don’t know if there is or if there isn’t a deity. The existence or non existence of a deity bears no weight in my day to day.

So an apatheist?


I’ve been called that before. Yes.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:04 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Yeah, it's something I've recently been coming back to study on. Both Darwinian and the perspectives of the Ahmadiyya.


So an apatheist?


I’ve been called that before. Yes.

Ah, okay.
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Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:24 pm

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Jolthig wrote:Interesting so a fellow theistic evolutionist like me?


afaik most of the religious people on NS presumably subscribe to theistic evolution

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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:37 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
afaik most of the religious people on NS presumably subscribe to theistic evolution

There are thousands of us!!

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Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:54 pm

Geneviev wrote:I've never seen a connection between creationism and anti-vaxxers.


There are obvious links. Indeed, many of the mistakes at the heart of the antivax movement stem from not understanding evolutionary biology.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:56 pm

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Jolthig wrote:Youd be surprised. Sometimes schools are mistaken to teach us what they think are facts. For example, if I recall correctly, the food pyramid is an outdated and inaccurate teaching that is still somehow being taught to children.

It didn't show that refined/vs whole grain thing, that was one of the primary things.


That, and you just don't need that much in the way of carbs at all.

Indeed, it's not outdated: it's fake. It was made up by the corn industry to sell more corn-based products.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Europa Undivided » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:57 pm

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Hammer Britannia wrote:At least Theistic Evolution attempts to be scientific in nature.


No it doesn't. It just puts lots of long words in to try to fool people who don't understand science into thinking that it's scientific. It's a con trick, pure and simple.

Meh, it is just saying that God was the one that started it all and everything went on according to the laws of nature. There is no denial of science here, however you define it. All that happened was that "nothing" was replaced with something.

It is scientific and is a reconciliation of science and belief. Continually screaming that it is a con trick is like saying that the moon landings never happened; in short, a conspiracy theory.
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Postby Europa Undivided » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:58 pm

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Geneviev wrote:I've never seen a connection between creationism and anti-vaxxers.


There are obvious links. Indeed, many of the mistakes at the heart of the antivax movement stem from not understanding evolutionary biology.

Wasn't the antovax movement coming from that research paper in the Lancet?
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:58 pm

Geneviev wrote:It's a part of Christianity, and different religious beliefs should be taught in public schools.


Why? What is the significant public benefit in teaching it, why can't other means provide this, and why does that benefit outweigh the benefits of whatever you're going to miss off the curriculum to fit it in?
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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