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Public schools should only teach evolution
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Public schools should teach evolution and creation science
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Public schools should only teach creation science
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:57 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It probably will be. Intelligent design is becoming more popular.

I hope not. We don't need watered down creationism or creationism at all for that matter.

Especially creationism that acts like a more scientific creationism.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:57 pm

Mitheldalond wrote:
Jolthig wrote:It also depends on where they got their so called "PhD". If they truly got one, especially in evolutionary biology, I doubt they'd be spewing the rhetoric of young earth creationism.

It should be noted that you don't need a PhD, or technically any degree, to be a "scientist". Being a scientist isn't like being an engineer, or a lawyer, or a doctor; you don't need to pass exams or be officially licensed to be a "scientist".

I didn't say that at all. My point was that some creationists when they publish their books, they tend to include where they got their PhDs from to prove that they're somehow experts on a certain subject despite their willful ignorance of evolution.
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Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

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Postby The South Falls » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:58 pm

Jolthig wrote:
The South Falls wrote:That was in y'alls food pyramid?

Being in elementary school at the time, and many years later, a couple years ago reading an article on this subject, yeah, the tongue was presented alongside the pyramid.

I'm just thinking about Umami.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:00 pm

Geneviev wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I hope not. We don't need watered down creationism or creationism at all for that matter.

Especially creationism that acts like a more scientific creationism.


I have to ask but why should creationism, at all, in any way, shape or form, should be taught in public schools?
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:00 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Being in elementary school at the time, and many years later, a couple years ago reading an article on this subject, yeah, the tongue was presented alongside the pyramid.

I'm just thinking about Umami.

:p
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Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

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Postby The South Falls » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:02 pm

Jolthig wrote:
The South Falls wrote:I'm just thinking about Umami.

:p

Let me analyze that tongue.
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Postby Mitheldalond » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:02 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Mitheldalond wrote:It should be noted that you don't need a PhD, or technically any degree, to be a "scientist". Being a scientist isn't like being an engineer, or a lawyer, or a doctor; you don't need to pass exams or be officially licensed to be a "scientist".

I didn't say that at all. My point was that some creationists when they publish their books, they tend to include where they got their PhDs from to prove that they're somehow experts on a certain subject despite their willful ignorance of evolution.

I didn't say you did. My point was that just because someone claims to be a scientist doesn't actually mean they know anything.

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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:03 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Jolthig wrote::p

Let me analyze that tongue.

Ahhhhh

Mitheldalond wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I didn't say that at all. My point was that some creationists when they publish their books, they tend to include where they got their PhDs from to prove that they're somehow experts on a certain subject despite their willful ignorance of evolution.

I didn't say you did. My point was that just because someone claims to be a scientist doesn't actually mean they know anything.

My bad then. I agree.
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Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

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Postby Geneviev » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:03 pm

Jolthig wrote:
The South Falls wrote:That was in y'alls food pyramid?

Being in elementary school at the time, and many years later, a couple years ago reading an article on this subject, yeah, the tongue was presented alongside the pyramid.

I never saw that before. Your food pyramid was better. :p

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Especially creationism that acts like a more scientific creationism.


I have to ask but why should creationism, at all, in any way, shape or form, should be taught in public schools?

It's a part of Christianity, and different religious beliefs should be taught in public schools.
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:04 pm

Jolthig wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Let me analyze that tongue.

Ahhhhh

Mitheldalond wrote:I didn't say you did. My point was that just because someone claims to be a scientist doesn't actually mean they know anything.

My bad then. I agree.

So first, the tongue was created. The tongue became the lord god, and on the first day...
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:05 pm

Initially misread as "cremation". I'm all for discipline but that'd be going a bit far.

On creationism, teach it in religious studies as a belief that people have, but keep not-science out of science. You wouldn't teach alchemy in chemistry, yeah?
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:05 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Being in elementary school at the time, and many years later, a couple years ago reading an article on this subject, yeah, the tongue was presented alongside the pyramid.

I never saw that before. Your food pyramid was better. :p

Haha.

Geneviev wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I have to ask but why should creationism, at all, in any way, shape or form, should be taught in public schools?

It's a part of Christianity, and different religious beliefs should be taught in public schools.

But why in biology class?
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:05 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Being in elementary school at the time, and many years later, a couple years ago reading an article on this subject, yeah, the tongue was presented alongside the pyramid.

I never saw that before. Your food pyramid was better. :p

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I have to ask but why should creationism, at all, in any way, shape or form, should be taught in public schools?

It's a part of Christianity, and different religious beliefs should be taught in public schools.


Different religions should be mentioned and explained, to a degree in as much as they pertain to a particular context, like history. Belief systems should not be taught in public school. That’s something relegated to home or place of worship.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:06 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Ahhhhh


My bad then. I agree.

So first, the tongue was created. The tongue became the lord god, and on the first day...

The tongue licked the air and sudden rain fell from the sky and it hit a mass, creating the earth and the oceans.
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:07 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Initially misread as "cremation". I'm all for discipline but that'd be going a bit far.

On creationism, teach it in religious studies as a belief that people have, but keep not-science out of science. You wouldn't teach alchemy in chemistry, yeah?


It’s like wanting to teach numerology in math just because some people may believe in it and it involves numbers.
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:09 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I never saw that before. Your food pyramid was better. :p

Haha.

Geneviev wrote:It's a part of Christianity, and different religious beliefs should be taught in public schools.

But why in biology class?

It would be better in a history class.

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Geneviev wrote:I never saw that before. Your food pyramid was better. :p


It's a part of Christianity, and different religious beliefs should be taught in public schools.


Different religions should be mentioned and explained, to a degree in as much as they pertain to a particular context, like history. Belief systems should not be taught in public school. That’s something relegated to home or place of worship.

If it's kept out of schools, it's likely that children are forced to believe one thing without having a choice.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:11 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Haha.


But why in biology class?

It would be better in a history class.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Different religions should be mentioned and explained, to a degree in as much as they pertain to a particular context, like history. Belief systems should not be taught in public school. That’s something relegated to home or place of worship.

If it's kept out of schools, it's likely that children are forced to believe one thing without having a choice.


Teach it at home or place of worship. School is neither. If they go to public school, subscribe to the curriculum.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:12 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Haha.


But why in biology class?

It would be better in a history class.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Different religions should be mentioned and explained, to a degree in as much as they pertain to a particular context, like history. Belief systems should not be taught in public school. That’s something relegated to home or place of worship.

If it's kept out of schools, it's likely that children are forced to believe one thing without having a choice.

Alright, then theres no disagreement between us. :)
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:13 pm

Geneviev wrote:If it's kept out of schools, it's likely that children are forced to believe one thing without having a choice.

There is absolutely no value in teaching children pseudoscience. It only harms them and society. If they are determined to put themselves through the necessary religious brainwashing, they are free to do so, but not on the taxpayer dollar.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:14 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Geneviev wrote:If it's kept out of schools, it's likely that children are forced to believe one thing without having a choice.

There is absolutely no value in teaching children pseudoscience. It only harms them and society. If they are determined to put themselves through the necessary religious brainwashing, they are free to do so, but not on the taxpayer dollar.


Besides, children aren’t being forced to believe in anything. They are, however, expected to learn a material, be tested on it and pass their courses.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:14 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:There is absolutely no value in teaching children pseudoscience. It only harms them and society. If they are determined to put themselves through the necessary religious brainwashing, they are free to do so, but not on the taxpayer dollar.


Besides, children aren’t being forced to believe in anything. They are, however, expected to learn a material, be tested on it and pass their courses.

And have a basic understanding of how that field of science works.
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:15 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Initially misread as "cremation". I'm all for discipline but that'd be going a bit far.

On creationism, teach it in religious studies as a belief that people have, but keep not-science out of science. You wouldn't teach alchemy in chemistry, yeah?


It’s like wanting to teach numerology in math just because some people may believe in it and it involves numbers.


Or doing a history module on Ancient Aliens.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:16 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It’s like wanting to teach numerology in math just because some people may believe in it and it involves numbers.


Or doing a history module on Ancient Aliens.


Those Egyptians were really Martians and you know it.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:17 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Or doing a history module on Ancient Aliens.


Those Egyptians were really Martians and you know it.

Image
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:18 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Those Egyptians were really Martians and you know it.

Image


You know it’s true. You Muslims know that that was no Golden Disc depicting Ra. No. That was a flying saucer.
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