Creationism in Public Schools

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

The classes have to pass the lemon test first before being taught.

As long as they present all religions equally and don't teach that one religion is more true than the others, that wouldn't be a problem.

They also have to have a secular purpose, many of these classes end up not having a secular purpose.

[Neutraligon]

What evidence is there for creationism anyway? "It is in the bible" or something like that for example is hardly evidence.

Most "evidence" that I hear about is actually attempts to debunk various other sciences (evolution, cosmology, geology), and not evidence for whatever form of creationism the person supports.

[Geneviev]

As long as they present all religions equally and don't teach that one religion is more true than the others, that wouldn't be a problem.

The problem is that in practice classes are not taught like that, particularly in highly religious areas. Even worse, much of the time the teachers are ignorant of the topic.

The curriculum would have to be regulated somehow, but that is possible in science classes already. As for the ignorant teachers, that wouldn't be new to some schools anyway.

[Vassenor]

It doesn't matter what euphemisms you dress it up with. Creationism is not a fact. It is not a science. It has no business being taught as an equal alternative to hard and fast evolution.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

The problem is that in practice classes are not taught like that, particularly in highly religious areas. Even worse, much of the time the teachers are ignorant of the topic.

The curriculum would have to be regulated somehow, but that is possible in science classes already. As for the ignorant teachers, that wouldn't be new to some schools anyway.

If those schools can’t have a class that passes constitutional tests then it needs to be banned and strictly forbidden.

[Neutraligon]

The problem is that in practice classes are not taught like that, particularly in highly religious areas. Even worse, much of the time the teachers are ignorant of the topic.

The curriculum would have to be regulated somehow, but that is possible in science classes already. As for the ignorant teachers, that wouldn't be new to some schools anyway.

Easy to say, hard to enforce. And there are school systems that fail to teach science classes well despite the regulations. As to that not being new in schools, yeah that in and of itself is a big problem. Teachers need to have at least some knowledge of their subject or they are not doing their job.

As to teaching creationism in science classes, which version of creationism. How long do you think it would take to go through all the various creation tales? What scientific evidence would you use to support each version of creationism?

[Free Arabian Nation]

No

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OK, maybe if you're taking a class on religion. Other than that, no

[Kannap]

It's a no from me dawg, but if we're going to do it I'm going to have to nominate my high school biology teacher who referred to evolution as "EVIL-ution" literally every single time she said it.

[Cekoviu]

It's a no from me dawg, but if we're going to do it I'm going to have to nominate my high school biology teacher who referred to evolution as "EVIL-ution" literally every single time she said it.

She should not be a biology teacher. I'd rather nominate the friendly little jumping spider I saw the other day, since I'm sure it knows more about evolution than she does.

[Kannap]

And if we're teaching Creationism - is it just the Christian creation story or are we going absolutely all in, balls to the wall with it? I'm quite fond of the Cherokee creation story, it's pleasantly adorable.

[The Brytish Isles]

It's a no from me dawg, but if we're going to do it I'm going to have to nominate my high school biology teacher who referred to evolution as "EVIL-ution" literally every single time she said it.

How are these people hired?

[Geneviev]

The curriculum would have to be regulated somehow, but that is possible in science classes already. As for the ignorant teachers, that wouldn't be new to some schools anyway.

Easy to say, hard to enforce. And there are school systems that fail to teach science classes well despite the regulations. As to that not being new in schools, yeah that in and of itself is a big problem. Teachers need to have at least some knowledge of their subject or they are not doing their job.

As to teaching creationism in science classes, which version of creationism. How long do you think it would take to go through all the various creation tales? What scientific evidence would you use to support each version of creationism?

The creationism that I would support in science classes would be young earth creationism, and everything else would be religious studies anyway.

It's a no from me dawg, but if we're going to do it I'm going to have to nominate my high school biology teacher who referred to evolution as "EVIL-ution" literally every single time she said it.

That's actually how I say it.

[Kannap]

It's a no from me dawg, but if we're going to do it I'm going to have to nominate my high school biology teacher who referred to evolution as "EVIL-ution" literally every single time she said it.

How are these people hired?

We live south of the Mason-Dixon Line and east of the Rockies.

[Kannap]

Easy to say, hard to enforce. And there are school systems that fail to teach science classes well despite the regulations. As to that not being new in schools, yeah that in and of itself is a big problem. Teachers need to have at least some knowledge of their subject or they are not doing their job.

As to teaching creationism in science classes, which version of creationism. How long do you think it would take to go through all the various creation tales? What scientific evidence would you use to support each version of creationism?

The creationism that I would support in science classes would be young earth creationism, and everything else would be religious studies anyway.

It's a no from me dawg, but if we're going to do it I'm going to have to nominate my high school biology teacher who referred to evolution as "EVIL-ution" literally every single time she said it.

That's actually how I say it.

You're not selling me on your oral arguments by admitting that.

[Geneviev]

The creationism that I would support in science classes would be young earth creationism, and everything else would be religious studies anyway.


That's actually how I say it.

You're not selling me on your oral arguments by admitting that.

Admitting what? Evil-ution or young earth creationism?

[Kannap]

It's a no from me dawg, but if we're going to do it I'm going to have to nominate my high school biology teacher who referred to evolution as "EVIL-ution" literally every single time she said it.

She should not be a biology teacher. I'd rather nominate the friendly little jumping spider I saw the other day, since I'm sure it knows more about evolution than she does.

My Chemistry teacher was far more respectable and my project-based science teacher was a pure delight. Just both biology teachers were deeply religious to the extent that it clouded their teaching of biology.

[Old Tyrannia]

Easy to say, hard to enforce. And there are school systems that fail to teach science classes well despite the regulations. As to that not being new in schools, yeah that in and of itself is a big problem. Teachers need to have at least some knowledge of their subject or they are not doing their job.

As to teaching creationism in science classes, which version of creationism. How long do you think it would take to go through all the various creation tales? What scientific evidence would you use to support each version of creationism?

The creationism that I would support in science classes would be young earth creationism, and everything else would be religious studies anyway.

Young earth creationism is not science.

[Kannap]

You're not selling me on your oral arguments by admitting that.

Admitting what? Evil-ution or young earth creationism?

Don't call it "Evil-ution," it's petty, obnoxious, and foolish and brings my "taking your argument seriously" meter down to absolute zero.

[Necroghastia]

Easy to say, hard to enforce. And there are school systems that fail to teach science classes well despite the regulations. As to that not being new in schools, yeah that in and of itself is a big problem. Teachers need to have at least some knowledge of their subject or they are not doing their job.

As to teaching creationism in science classes, which version of creationism. How long do you think it would take to go through all the various creation tales? What scientific evidence would you use to support each version of creationism?

The creationism that I would support in science classes would be young earth creationism, and everything else would be religious studies anyway.

It's a no from me dawg, but if we're going to do it I'm going to have to nominate my high school biology teacher who referred to evolution as "EVIL-ution" literally every single time she said it.

That's actually how I say it.

So you want science classes to teach something demonstrably false? That kinda defeats the point.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

What evidence is there for creationism anyway? "It is in the bible" or something like that for example is hardly evidence.

Most "evidence" that I hear about is actually attempts to debunk various other sciences (evolution, cosmology, geology), and not evidence for whatever form of creationism the person supports.

Makes sense. Creationism is so obviously wrong and ridiculous, I doubt it has any direct evidence in its favor.

[Kannap]

The creationism that I would support in science classes would be young earth creationism, and everything else would be religious studies anyway.

Young earth creationism is not science.

I dunno, there's gotta be scientific evidence behind fossils being placed in the Earth by Satan himself.

[Free Arabian Nation]

The creationism that I would support in science classes would be young earth creationism, and everything else would be religious studies anyway.

Young earth creationism is not science.

It's the exact opposite of Science, it is science denial.

[Geneviev]

Admitting what? Evil-ution or young earth creationism?

Don't call it "Evil-ution," it's petty, obnoxious, and foolish and brings my "taking your argument seriously" meter down to absolute zero.

I don't say it that way to call it actually evil. It's just what I thought was the correct pronunciation when I came to the US.

[The South Falls]

Young earth creationism is not science.

I dunno, there's gotta be scientific evidence behind fossils being placed in the Earth by Satan himself.

Pretty obviously. Can't you see they are in dirt? Which means closer to hell. libtards owned.

[Old Tyrannia]

Young earth creationism is not science.

I dunno, there's gotta be scientific evidence behind fossils being placed in the Earth by Satan himself.

About as much evidence as there is for the Earth actually being the corpse of a giant named Ymir.