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by Jolthig » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:27 pm
by New Lindale » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:28 pm
Rastrian wrote:New Lindale wrote:If we are going to teach the science of evolution, why not teach the science of creationism?
Not a thing.New Lindale wrote:It will offer the balance which is lacking in a majority of society, and that is the presentation of both sides of a discussion without distortion or strawmen.
Balance?
Yes, I too want to be taught a balance of truth and lies, that'll make me a more rounded person.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:29 pm
Jolthig wrote:New Lindale wrote:I aggree with this gentlemen. If we are going to teach the science of evolution, why not teach the science of creationism? It will offer the balance which is lacking in a majority of society, and that is the presentation of both sides of a discussion without distortion or strawmen.
Creation science is an oxymoron.
by The Alma Mater » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:30 pm
New Lindale wrote:Rastrian wrote:Not a thing.
Balance?
Yes, I too want to be taught a balance of truth and lies, that'll make me a more rounded person.
What I am implying is that if we just teaching one side of the discussion, then it will just create an echo chamber of more people having only one opinion.
by Kowani » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:32 pm
by Jolthig » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:32 pm
New Lindale wrote:Rastrian wrote:Not a thing.
Balance?
Yes, I too want to be taught a balance of truth and lies, that'll make me a more rounded person.
What I am implying is that if we just teaching one side of the discussion, then it will just create an echo chamber of more people having only one opinion. The Constitution although does not contain the buzz phrase 'separation of Church and state', it however mandates that Congress shall not require anyone to be of a particular religion, or impend the right of Freedom of Worship. So, I think both philosophies of Creationism and Evolution should be taught, to provide both perspectives. If Creationism is truly a lie, then why not let it be taught? Its absurdity in your opinion will be able to be debunked by Evolution easily. This could go either way.
by Rastrian » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:32 pm
New Lindale wrote:What I am implying is that if we just teaching one side of the discussion, then it will just create an echo chamber of more people having only one opinion.
New Lindale wrote:The Constitution although does not contain the buzz phrase 'separation of Church and state', it however mandates that Congress shall not require anyone to be of a particular religion, or impend the right of Freedom of Worship. So, I think both philosophies of Creationism and Evolution should be taught, to provide both perspectives. If Creationism is truly a lie, then why not let it be taught? Its absurdity in your opinion will be able to be debunked by Evolution easily. This could go either way.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:33 pm
New Lindale wrote:Rastrian wrote:Not a thing.
Balance?
Yes, I too want to be taught a balance of truth and lies, that'll make me a more rounded person.
What I am implying is that if we just teaching one side of the discussion, then it will just create an echo chamber of more people having only one opinion. The Constitution although does not contain the buzz phrase 'separation of Church and state', it however mandates that Congress shall not require anyone to be of a particular religion, or impend the right of Freedom of Worship. So, I think both philosophies of Creationism and Evolution should be taught, to provide both perspectives. If Creationism is truly a lie, then why not let it be taught? Its absurdity in your opinion will be able to be debunked by Evolution easily. This could go either way.
by Jolthig » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:34 pm
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Jolthig wrote:Creation science is an oxymoron.
I always find it kind of funny in that... schadenfreude kind of way when creationists propose increasing the light of speed to the point where a 6000 year old universe would be possible (and still yield us starlight from all corners of the universe). Had the speed of light been that fast Earth would've literally been boiled away as the Sun itself started radiating with 800 million times its normal intensity.
by The Free Joy State » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:34 pm
New Lindale wrote:Rastrian wrote:Not a thing.
Balance?
Yes, I too want to be taught a balance of truth and lies, that'll make me a more rounded person.
What I am implying is that if we just teaching one side of the discussion, then it will just create an echo chamber of more people having only one opinion.
The Constitution although does not contain the buzz phrase 'separation of Church and state', it however mandates that Congress shall not require anyone to be of a particular religion, or impend the right of Freedom of Worship. So, I think both philosophies of Creationism and Evolution should be taught, to provide both perspectives.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:36 pm
Jolthig wrote:Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I always find it kind of funny in that... schadenfreude kind of way when creationists propose increasing the light of speed to the point where a 6000 year old universe would be possible (and still yield us starlight from all corners of the universe). Had the speed of light been that fast Earth would've literally been boiled away as the Sun itself started radiating with 800 million times its normal intensity.
The sun would literally be a blue supergiant and not a yellow dwarf had their hypothesis on 6000 year light speed been true :p
by Jolthig » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:37 pm
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Jolthig wrote:The sun would literally be a blue supergiant and not a yellow dwarf had their hypothesis on 6000 year light speed been true
The universe would probs never have come into existence had c at any time been capable of delivering on a 6000 year old universe. Had somebody tried it would've been blown apart.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:39 pm
Jolthig wrote:Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:The universe would probs never have come into existence had c at any time been capable of delivering on a 6000 year old universe. Had somebody tried it would've been blown apart.
Heck, we would still be barely in the big bang had creation science been true. Cosmic time is far different than our own perspective of time in our lives. 6000 years is like a millisecond or even less than, when it comes to cosmic time.
The true horror of solving the starlight problem the creationist way lies here actually...Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Besides, you have to accelerate photons from different galaxies differently according to their distance to Earth... which results in all kinds of Lovecraftian insanity.
by Jolthig » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:41 pm
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Jolthig wrote:Heck, we would still be barely in the big bang had creation science been true. Cosmic time is far different than our own perspective of time in our lives. 6000 years is like a millisecond or even less than, when it comes to cosmic time.The true horror of solving the starlight problem the creationist way lies here actually...Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Besides, you have to accelerate photons from different galaxies differently according to their distance to Earth... which results in all kinds of Lovecraftian insanity.
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by Tekania » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:48 pm
New Lindale wrote:Rastrian wrote:Not a thing.
Balance?
Yes, I too want to be taught a balance of truth and lies, that'll make me a more rounded person.
What I am implying is that if we just teaching one side of the discussion, then it will just create an echo chamber of more people having only one opinion. The Constitution although does not contain the buzz phrase 'separation of Church and state', it however mandates that Congress shall not require anyone to be of a particular religion, or impend the right of Freedom of Worship. So, I think both philosophies of Creationism and Evolution should be taught, to provide both perspectives. If Creationism is truly a lie, then why not let it be taught? Its absurdity in your opinion will be able to be debunked by Evolution easily. This could go either way.
by Tekania » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:54 pm
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Jolthig wrote:Heck, we would still be barely in the big bang had creation science been true. Cosmic time is far different than our own perspective of time in our lives. 6000 years is like a millisecond or even less than, when it comes to cosmic time.The true horror of solving the starlight problem the creationist way lies here actually...Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Besides, you have to accelerate photons from different galaxies differently according to their distance to Earth... which results in all kinds of Lovecraftian insanity.
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by Infected Mushroom » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:58 pm
by Geneviev » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:58 pm
Rastrian wrote:New Lindale wrote:What I am implying is that if we just teaching one side of the discussion, then it will just create an echo chamber of more people having only one opinion.
When that opinion is the one that is supported by facts, that's a good thing. Don't advocate for the teaching of blatant falsehoods.New Lindale wrote:The Constitution although does not contain the buzz phrase 'separation of Church and state', it however mandates that Congress shall not require anyone to be of a particular religion, or impend the right of Freedom of Worship. So, I think both philosophies of Creationism and Evolution should be taught, to provide both perspectives. If Creationism is truly a lie, then why not let it be taught? Its absurdity in your opinion will be able to be debunked by Evolution easily. This could go either way.
It has been, time and again. There is no-one other than the most hardline fundamentalist christians who still follow the ideas of creationism, and it is as much a conspiracy theory as the flat earth or chemtrails. This "debate" you seem to think is still going has long since passed. The only ones debating it are the ones charitable enough to spend time explaining why it's wrong.
Infected Mushroom wrote:Why not?
It’s interesting. I’d rather hear about creation stories and Bible adventures then evolution. No one really knows how life really began anyways. We only have theories.
Shrugs
by Rastrian » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:02 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Why not?
It’s interesting. I’d rather hear about creation stories and Bible adventures then evolution. No one really knows how life really began anyways. We only have theories.
Shrugs
Geneviev wrote:It's not only the most hardline fundamentalist Christians, though. Although creation is becoming less popular among Christians, a lot of creationists are more moderate.
Geneviev wrote:Agreed, it's just more interesting. Evolution can be taught too, but it's less fun.
by Tekania » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:02 pm
Tabor-Zion wrote:Include the actual position that Creationists take. That origins should only be taught in philosophy or religious classes because that's what origins science is, both Creationism and Evolutionism are untestable, unrepeatable, unobservable hypothesizes where evidence must be looked at through a presuppositional worldview.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:05 pm
Geneviev wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:Why not?
It’s interesting. I’d rather hear about creation stories and Bible adventures then evolution. No one really knows how life really began anyways. We only have theories.
Shrugs
Agreed, it's just more interesting. Evolution can be taught too, but it's less fun.
by Tekania » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:07 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Why not?
It’s interesting. I’d rather hear about creation stories and Bible adventures then evolution. No one really knows how life really began anyways. We only have theories.
Shrugs
by Europa Undivided » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:07 pm
Rastrian wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:Why not?
It’s interesting. I’d rather hear about creation stories and Bible adventures then evolution. No one really knows how life really began anyways. We only have theories.
Shrugs
Who cares what you'd "rather" hear about? Science is not tied to the whims of those who study it. I'd rather have learnt about writing and language than mathematics in schools, but schools don't teach students what they'd rather learn. They teach them what is relevant to life.
Teach creation stories, if you want to, in a religious education classroom. Keep the science classroom for, y'know, science.Geneviev wrote:It's not only the most hardline fundamentalist Christians, though. Although creation is becoming less popular among Christians, a lot of creationists are more moderate.
The fact that they are creationists proves that they aren't.
“Those who cannot conceive Friendship as a substantive love but only as a disguise or elaboration of Eros betray the fact that they have never had a Friend." - C.S. Lewis
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by Geneviev » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:07 pm
Rastrian wrote:Geneviev wrote:It's not only the most hardline fundamentalist Christians, though. Although creation is becoming less popular among Christians, a lot of creationists are more moderate.
The fact that they are creationists proves that they aren't.Geneviev wrote:Agreed, it's just more interesting. Evolution can be taught too, but it's less fun.
Who cares what's more fun?! I want to learn true things in science, not myths.
Plus, evolution is actually really interesting. Much moreso than "god did it for no reason".
by Jolthig » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:09 pm
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