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by Evil Dictators Happyland » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:28 am
by Senkaku » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:16 pm
Dooom35796821595 wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-48661843
Iran has announced it intends to breech the uranium enrichment limit on the 27th June, claiming it is in response to European failure to protect them from the reinstatement of American sanctions. This includes restarting a heavy water plant that could produce weapons grade plutonium.
The UK, France and Germany have warned Iran not to violate the 2015 deal, and that they will reinstate their sanctions if Iran doesn’t change its course.
This shows that Iran was never serious about limiting its nuclear program,
and obviously wants to repair the damage done to its economy,
then create its nuclear weapons from a position of strength.
Allowing Iran to obtain a bomb would turn the Middle East into a nuclear powder keg that would make Indian subcontinent look Antarctic in comparison, and put Europe in range of both nuclear weapons and radioactive fallout.
by Kannap » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:22 pm
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by Chestaan » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:25 pm
-Ocelot- wrote:Vykel wrote:
They would trigger a nuclear war ... if their existence was threatened ... if they were under the threat of collapse ... They might be dictators but they still understand balance of power and deterrence, they are not just going to throw nukes at Saudi Arabia or the ROK. Maybe NK wants to control the ROK, but have they tried nuking them for the sake of conquest? They haven't.
Dictatorships like Iran may collapse because of a civil war. If NK was to have a civil war in the future, they'd have no reason not to kill who knows how many Koreans in both NK and SK with chemical weapons. In theory, they could steamroll the entire peninsula in the event of a civil conflict.
Assad had no problem killing his own people with chemical weapons when they rebelled. Who says the same won't happen with Iran and who can guarantee that it won't trigger a bigger global conflict?
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:25 pm
by Ecradia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:34 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:Spirit of Hope wrote:Because those facilities aren't barried under mountains, and launching missiles at them totally wouldn't result in them retaliating by closing the strait via there own missiles or mines.
Because we totally need the straight. Yes. That vitally important waterway, and cannot possibly bomb them into the stone age from half a world away.
If only we had some manner of flying machine. Woe is us, oh backwards America, and our lack of ingenious machines that would enable us to murder people from a distance.
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by Gormwood » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:48 pm
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Trump made the choice to withdraw from the deal, so the US has to place to complain if Iran makes their choice to withdraw from it as well. You reap what you sow.
by The Emerald Legion » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:54 pm
Ecradia wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
Because we totally need the straight. Yes. That vitally important waterway, and cannot possibly bomb them into the stone age from half a world away.
If only we had some manner of flying machine. Woe is us, oh backwards America, and our lack of ingenious machines that would enable us to murder people from a distance.
It's not about the military aspect. If Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz, they cut off a large portion of the world's oil. Unless you propose we transport it overland, which is a fool's errand.
by Purpelia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:09 pm
by Estanglia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:12 pm
Purpelia wrote:The only people who have a problem with Iran or any other country for that matter having atomic weapons are those that wish to see those countries subjugated and turned into colonies of the great powers. Enough said.
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by Spirit of Hope » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:13 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:Ecradia wrote:
It's not about the military aspect. If Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz, they cut off a large portion of the world's oil. Unless you propose we transport it overland, which is a fool's errand.
Because they can totally close the straight when being invaded and bombed everywhere else.
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by Hexapus » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:15 pm
Purpelia wrote:The only people who have a problem with Iran or any other country for that matter having atomic weapons are those that wish to see those countries subjugated and turned into colonies of the great powers. Enough said.
by The Emerald Legion » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:26 pm
Spirit of Hope wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
Because they can totally close the straight when being invaded and bombed everywhere else.
Yes they could, placing mines in the strait would close it rather quickly. This would require the US, or another nation, to bring in dedicated mine hunting ships, which would be vulnerable to attack from Iran. To suppress those, the US would have to dedicate a large number of aircraft to hunting mobile missile launchers (which isn't easy) along with other aircraft to defeat Iranian air defenses and aircraft. This would likely require a large build up of forces, all the while the strait is closed and the majority of the world is going without oil.
This doesn't include trying to hunt for Irans submarines in a relatively shallow, enclosed area, where they would have a great time hunting civilian and military shipping while themselves being very hard to detect and destroy.
Could the United States stop Iran from closing the strait? Yes, however it would likely take weeks (if not months), would almost certainly cost american service members and international civilians their lives.
Plus once you are in this situation Iran would continue to be a danger for shipping, likely until there is a forced regime change. Which in turn would require the US to carry out an ground invasion, and occupy another nation in the Middle East.
All of this, and until the ground invasion and occupation of the facilities enriching the Uranium and you probably wouldn't have actually stopped their progress towards a nuclear weapon. Why? Because they aren't idiots and have placed their production facilities under ground so that a direct strike is unlikely to do any substantial damage.
by Aclion » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:28 pm
Hexapus wrote:Purpelia wrote:The only people who have a problem with Iran or any other country for that matter having atomic weapons are those that wish to see those countries subjugated and turned into colonies of the great powers. Enough said.
Yup, there's no reason that the Great Powers are objectively more trustworthy with nukes than other states. And Iran isn't really a rogue state, at least compared to America and China.
by Spirit of Hope » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:45 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:Spirit of Hope wrote:Yes they could, placing mines in the strait would close it rather quickly. This would require the US, or another nation, to bring in dedicated mine hunting ships, which would be vulnerable to attack from Iran. To suppress those, the US would have to dedicate a large number of aircraft to hunting mobile missile launchers (which isn't easy) along with other aircraft to defeat Iranian air defenses and aircraft. This would likely require a large build up of forces, all the while the strait is closed and the majority of the world is going without oil.
This doesn't include trying to hunt for Irans submarines in a relatively shallow, enclosed area, where they would have a great time hunting civilian and military shipping while themselves being very hard to detect and destroy.
Could the United States stop Iran from closing the strait? Yes, however it would likely take weeks (if not months), would almost certainly cost american service members and international civilians their lives.
Plus once you are in this situation Iran would continue to be a danger for shipping, likely until there is a forced regime change. Which in turn would require the US to carry out an ground invasion, and occupy another nation in the Middle East.
All of this, and until the ground invasion and occupation of the facilities enriching the Uranium and you probably wouldn't have actually stopped their progress towards a nuclear weapon. Why? Because they aren't idiots and have placed their production facilities under ground so that a direct strike is unlikely to do any substantial damage.
And they can mine the straight when their boats are ashes how?
But production facilities tend to require people Manning them. People tend to require food. Bomb local agriculture to dust. Then blockade the country to prevent food from getting in, except along US controlled channels.
They can then choose to get food from us, and surrender, or starve.
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by The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:28 pm
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by Infected Mushroom » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:31 pm
by Kowani » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:08 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:I’m okay with Iran getting nukes.
This way, the USA and other nations can’t invade. Iran would be more protected.
by North German Realm » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:11 am
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