How do we manage the incel epidemic?

[Galloism]

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Oh look, two people that were born in an era where divorce was illegal and where social conventions of the time meant that a failed relationship was reflected on oneself.

You'll learn the hard way Gallo.

Divorce wasn't illegal in the United States in 1915.

In fact, historically, divorce in the US spiked during the 19th century, and by the end of it more divorces were granted in the United States than all of Europe.

It was still uncommon by today's standards, but it wasn't illegal by any means.

[The Black Forrest]

I am going on thirty

You are married 30 years? Jaysus I thought you were half my age.

I am older then people think. Just have a young mind.

[Ostroeuropa]

Oh look, two people that were born in an era where divorce was illegal and where social conventions of the time meant that a failed relationship was reflected on oneself.

You'll learn the hard way Gallo.

Nanatsu is one of the women who has demonstrated a consistent understanding and empathy for mens issues. I wouldn't take that bet.

[Ethel mermania]

You are though, and you are in no position to do so.

I am in a position to make criticisms, and am doing so without projecting.

I dont want to take this to a personal level, but my parents were happily married, they were crazy about each other. I am happily married, I hate being away from my wife and family. Harris says most Americans are happy with their significant others.

Again, you say you're happily married. Most people do. Repeat it often enough and you'll start believing it.

I understand you have a disability, and I am sorry you have to live in an unhappy household because of it. But other people can and do do things you cant. It would be really helpful to you to learn that.

[The Black Forrest]

I am in a position to make criticisms, and am doing so without projecting.



Again, you say you're happily married. Most people do. Repeat it often enough and you'll start believing it.

I find it telling that you’re here, trying to tell people that in reality, they’re just miserable. Yes, you’re projecting your own misery on others.

Admit it; you are miserable in your relationship.

[Costa Fierro]

Oh look, two people that were born in an era where divorce was illegal and where social conventions of the time meant that a failed relationship was reflected on oneself.

You'll learn the hard way Gallo.

Divorce wasn't illegal in the United States in 1905.

In fact, historically, divorce in the US spiked during the 19th century, and by the end of it more divorces were granted in the United States than all of Europe.

It was still uncommon by today's standards, but it wasn't illegal by any means.

Either way, social conventions meant that you stayed in a relationship, regardless of how awful it was. Those same social conventions no longer exist. Society has rendered relationships and marriage unworkable in the modern era, and with that comes a dearth in not only actual relationships and marriages, but also a dearth in the amount of men having sex.

Should we go back to that era of forcing people through social convention to stick it out in marriage? Nope. We've changed society, now we reap what we sow.

[Ethel mermania]

You are married 30 years? Jaysus I thought you were half my age.

I am older then people think. Just have a young mind.

Boomie makes sense for you then.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I find it telling that you’re here, trying to tell people that in reality, they’re just miserable. Yes, you’re projecting your own misery on others.

Admit it; you are miserable in your relationship.

If the incel says so, I mean, it just must be true. “I’m utterly and unequivocally miserable in my 10 year old marriage!”

[Cekoviu]

That's not how debates work lol

If it was objectively wrong, then it'd be self evident. Instead because people disagree with it, again, because it's an uncomfortable truth. That's all it is.

Because people disagree with something, it is an uncomfortable truth? Lmfao

[Costa Fierro]

I understand you have a disability, and I am sorry you have to live in an unhappy household because of it. But other people can and do do things you cant. It would be really helpful to you to learn that.

I don't live in an unhappy household. There's no abuse, no constant fighting. Furthermore I know people can do things that I cannot. However, relationships, marriage, etc. isn't one of those things.

[Nakena]

The question is, how big is this cultural trend really, how relevant is it in reallfie and do we know that it isnt some kind of weird fad or craze that we'd all look back in 10 years and are like "Oh remember when everyone was either SJW or Alt-Right and got all crazy?"

The women are wonderful effect dates back to at least the 80s and has been consistent for decades, and is related to all these other phenomena. They're getting worse too.

I do remain doubtful. I certainly do not like the (be female or male) role models that are currently being popularized in mainstream and social media alike, but then again it could be all different in a couple of years. Thinking back on the 1990s or lesser extend 2000s, it feels like quite some difference.

[The Union of the West]

I understand you have a disability, and I am sorry you have to live in an unhappy household because of it. But other people can and do do things you cant. It would be really helpful to you to learn that.

I don't live in an unhappy household. There's no abuse, no constant fighting. Furthermore I know people can do things that I cannot. However, relationships, marriage, etc. isn't one of those things.

And yet they exist.

[The Black Forrest]

I am older then people think. Just have a young mind.

Boomie makes sense for you then.

You got to open your brain to the possibilities.

[The Union of the West]

If it was objectively wrong, then it'd be self evident. Instead because people disagree with it, again, because it's an uncomfortable truth. That's all it is.

Because people disagree with something, it is an uncomfortable truth? Lmfao

Posadism is an uncomfortable truth.

[Ethel mermania]

So, with honest, open and curious communication , you can find people who think alike. And then you have a successful relationship with multiple partners. (See polyamorous)

Polyamory is multiplying problems. And if you think there's honest and open communication through the dating process, think again.

That's not how debates work lol

If it was objectively wrong, then it'd be self evident. Instead because people disagree with it, again, because it's an uncomfortable truth. That's all it is.

No matter how many times you say 2 + 2 = 5, you are still wrong.

[Costa Fierro]

If it was objectively wrong, then it'd be self evident. Instead because people disagree with it, again, because it's an uncomfortable truth. That's all it is.

Because people disagree with something, it is an uncomfortable truth? Lmfao

No, it's specifically you and Liriena disagreeing. Both of you have come to the conclusion, without any supporting evidence, that OP is an incel even though the incels wouldn't refer to themselves as an epidemic or ask what can be done about them.

Admit it; you are miserable in your relationship.

If the incel says so, I mean, it just must be true. “I’m utterly and unequivocally miserable in my 10 year old marriage!”

lmao

Is everyone that you disagree with an incel?

You are married 30 years? Jaysus I thought you were half my age.

I am older then people think. Just have a young mind.

Oh good, another boomer that thinks life experience is a substitute for legitimate scientific studies.

[Khomney]

honk

[Liriena]

Your misogyny is not a fact, mate. Stop stealing valor from researchers to cover for your bigotry.


I have a question. Did you read that study before or after you decided that women were a selfish gender that must be held in contempt?


Harsh? I'd call it authoritarian, egotistic, myopic, and further proof that you're trying to blow smoke up my ass whenever you tell me that this is totally not a zero-sum game to you, pinky promise.

"Stop being such selfish babies", says the MRA whose NSG experience is mostly him trying to turn every single topic into 'this is proof men are oppressed but also anybody else who talks about oppression against any other group is a cultural marxist', and who thinks that just because powerful British feminists suck he gets to take a massive nuclear shit on all women everywhere and all the injustices they still face and tell them to "quit whining" because men suffer too lmao


It's not gynocentrism to point out that something is rotten when you argue that women as a whole are selfish and need to be shunned. If you want people to engage with your ideas as if you'd presented an innocent, nuanced and serious argument, maybe start by not coming off like someone who's just projectile vomiting his resentment and then retroactively trying to excuse it with more nuanced vocabulary and hand-picked research.


This is literally you. This is your entire approach to feminists and progressives¿


Your ability to engage in tokenism won't cover your ass either.

1. I don't think it's misogyny to note these things.

2. Yes. I posted it first in support of my point. We probably got it from the same source. The collective selfishness and self-absorbtion can be concluded from this study and multiple others. It's a cultural trend that is toxic and destructive, women are not somehow immune to being shit people every now and then. Aztecs were a fucked up culture. Western women are fucked up. It's possible for every woman alive to be a shit person. That is a thing that can be true, you realize, it just doesn't have to be inherent.

3. Why don't you try demonstrating your perspective isn't biased. Because if I show you studies showing that most people can't tell fact from fiction, and you just respond that i'm egotistical, that's kind of ridiculous. I can demonstrate to you the link between all these concepts to prove my point and that it's backed by fact rather than narrative, and you know I can.

4. "Hand-picked research.". Okay, so show contradicting research. Show me men have in-group bias more so than women, and show eachother empathy but not women and demand women show men empathy but punish them for showing other women empathy. Show me. Show me the connection between that behavior and the proof of some kind of prevalent thought disorder like men thinking "If I am good, men must be good" being present in most men. Show me the connection between all those things and Ur-Mens Rights ideas. Put the work in and we'll discuss it. Why can't you engage with the idea that maybe women really are as a trend selfish and self-absorbed, suffering from a kind of collective narcissism? It's what the evidence suggests.

5. This is not literally me. I go out of my way to ensure I am backed by research. My point is that if you just a priori reject the idea that women might be shit, there's no way to point out they might be shit. Even if they are. When a narcissist gaslights someone and makes them ignore their flaws, that's what's happening there too.

6. It's not tokenism. I'm very aware of women who do not fit this trend and what makes them different. Your problem is that you are unwilling to consider that on the whole, women might be worse people than men in this society, and they might need to change. Why are you unwilling to consider that?

1. Men commit 80% of violent crimes in the US, so it's okay to shun them. This is not misandry. It's just facts.

2. You didn't realy answer my question. Were you of the opinion that women are, as a whole, selfish before you even heard of this study?

3. It's not my responsibility to prove I lack bias... and that'd be a fool's endeavour anyway. Everyone is biased, including you. Quite blatantly so.

4. "Why can't you engage with the idea that maybe women really are as a trend selfish and self-absorbed, suffering from a kind of collective narcissism? It's what the evidence suggests."

Because that's not an "idea". That's an insult trying to masquerade as an idea. You might as well ask me "why can't you engage with the idea that maybe men really are as a trend barbaric and brutish?"

5. There's a difference between acknowledging likely tendencies in behavior and accepting an overarching narrative where an entire gender is marked for exclusion and minimization of whatever problems they may face because of that tendency.

6. You just repeatedly stated that change is impossible, so why are you asking me about the need for change?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Oh look, two people that were born in an era where divorce was illegal and where social conventions of the time meant that a failed relationship was reflected on oneself.

You'll learn the hard way Gallo.

Nanatsu is one of the women who has demonstrated a consistent understanding and empathy for mens issues. I wouldn't take that bet.

And I can’t claim I understand everything fully. There are things about men I don’t get. Because, well, it’s impossible to because I lack a penis, for example. How men and women are reared can also be vastly different. How he feels in society matters to me. Why wouldn’t it? He’s my husband. It matters to me because we could have a son. And his place and feelings will matter to us.

Just listen, you know. When we listen, really listen, we can reach some understanding to a degree.

[Major-Tom]

I don't fucking know - I would imagine that even before the internet, there were many men who went many years without sexual relations after finishing puberty. And I imagine, too, that in the grand scheme of things, it wasn't a huge deal. Some people just have a difficult time finding a partner for whatever reason, and I won't criticize it, I suppose. No harm, no foul.

[Costa Fierro]

I don't live in an unhappy household. There's no abuse, no constant fighting. Furthermore I know people can do things that I cannot. However, relationships, marriage, etc. isn't one of those things.

And yet they exist.

Do they? Many relationships exist despite neither party wanting to be in them, they have ulterior reasons for remaining in them.

No matter how many times you say 2 + 2 = 5, you are still wrong.

But I'm saying 2+3=5.

[Ethel mermania]

I understand you have a disability, and I am sorry you have to live in an unhappy household because of it. But other people can and do do things you cant. It would be really helpful to you to learn that.

I don't live in an unhappy household. There's no abuse, no constant fighting. Furthermore I know people can do things that I cannot. However, relationships, marriage, etc. isn't one of those things.

No love in a house isnt a good way to live either.

[Thepeopl]

Now you have a broken nose.

Might want to rethink that approach.

Ask: why did you hit me on the nose? You might have to repeat it since sounding nasaly.
And depending upon what they anwser:
a)why do you think that this is ok behaviour?
b)What do you think I could change about this?
c) how would you feel if it happened to you?
d) are you sure I don't have an infectious disease?

[The Black Forrest]

Because people disagree with something, it is an uncomfortable truth? Lmfao

No, it's specifically you and Liriena disagreeing. Both of you have come to the conclusion, without any supporting evidence, that OP is an incel even though the incels wouldn't refer to themselves as an epidemic or ask what can be done about them.

If the incel says so, I mean, it just must be true. “I’m utterly and unequivocally miserable in my 10 year old marriage!”

lmao

Is everyone that you disagree with an incel?

I am older then people think. Just have a young mind.

Oh good, another boomer that thinks life experience is a substitute for legitimate scientific studies.

That's ok angry lad. Reading your admission of being in a divorce household explains a few things.

[Costa Fierro]

Oh look, two people that were born in an era where divorce was illegal and where social conventions of the time meant that a failed relationship was reflected on oneself.

You'll learn the hard way Gallo.

Nanatsu is one of the women who has demonstrated a consistent understanding and empathy for mens issues. I wouldn't take that bet.

Keep bending that knee, Ostro.