How do we manage the incel epidemic?

[Bear Stearns]

State mandated gf

Where do these state-provided girlfriends come from, pray tell? Because I'm definitely going to start an armed uprising if the state tries to take away mine and other women's bodily autonomy so that entitled men can have sex.

Well they'd come from the girlfriend farm, duh. Girlfriends grow on trees.

[Costa Fierro]

If you think incels have an ideology then you're seriously lacking in a fundamental understanding of what incels are and what they believe in.

Incel is technically a descriptor, but in practice, it very much is an ideology.

It isn't an ideology. Incels couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

[Cekoviu]

Where do these state-provided girlfriends come from, pray tell? Because I'm definitely going to start an armed uprising if the state tries to take away mine and other women's bodily autonomy so that entitled men can have sex.

Well they'd come from the girlfriend farm, duh. Girlfriends grow on trees.

Mind, uh, directing me towards one of those trees? Or do they only work for men?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

They often have very skewed perceptions of what a relationship is.

And they don't want to hear anything about it; just acknowledge they are right.

I tried, believe me. I tried to talk to a few. They have no desire to talk. They’re dead-set on their thinking and one can honestly do so much before realizing it’s useless to reach out.

[Cekoviu]

Incel is technically a descriptor, but in practice, it very much is an ideology.

It isn't an ideology. Incels couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

Neither could Posadists, but it's still an ideology.

[Costa Fierro]

They're voluntarily celibate. Most men who are celibate do not have a choice in the matter.

You literally just said that all celibate people are incels.

I literally didn't. That is your interpretation.

[Nakena]

It's more than that. Incels believe that 1. They deserve to have this "gf experience" 2. Some evil force has stolen it from them and they must take it back.

For having such elaborate worldviews, icels never consider that said "gf" is a human being just like them and not some object or goal they must obtain to have a fulfilled life.

They often have very skewed perceptions of what a relationship is.

They have fundamentally flawed and skewed perception of interpersonal relationship and in many cases low social skills and lack of experience with the other sex. Its not unusual for teenagers to go through such phases of where they feel that the world is against them etc.

The problem comes when the Incel community reinforces those flawed viewpoints and further legtimized them with crude theories and concepts, solidifiyng it and blocking the exits.

[Bear Stearns]

Well they'd come from the girlfriend farm, duh. Girlfriends grow on trees.

Mind, uh, directing me towards one of those trees? Or do they only work for men?

Girlfriend trees tend to grow best in temperate, humid climates, north of the Tropic of Cancer, but some have genetically modified to grow in more arid climates.

Boyfriends do not grow on trees, as the boyfriend plant is a root.

[Costa Fierro]

It isn't an ideology. Incels couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

Neither could Posadists, but it's still an ideology.

I'm not sure misanthropy is an ideology. Posadism certainly isn't widely accepted as such.

[Cekoviu]

Mind, uh, directing me towards one of those trees? Or do they only work for men?

Girlfriend trees tend to grow best in temperate, humid climates, north of the Tropic of Cancer, but some have genetically modified to grow in more arid climates.

Boyfriends do not grow on trees, as the boyfriend plant is a root.

Curse this arid desert that I live in.

[Cekoviu]

Neither could Posadists, but it's still an ideology.

I'm not sure misanthropy is an ideology. Posadism certainly isn't widely accepted as such.

Literally how is Posadism not an ideology lol

[Ostroeuropa]

The problem is

Asides from the biotruth thing, the problem with incels is that their dogma is a downwards spiral of increasingly vitriolic misconceptions about sex, sexuality and gender. The problem is that many of them think that lack of sex is a human rights violation and that they're entitled to sexually enslave women (and little girls) or genocide them, depending on what they're mad about that day. The problem is that they constantly dehumanize women and openly encourage each other to be sexually predatory, abusive, violent, even towards their own family. The problem is that they've taught each other all manner of self-serving, grade-A bullshit that exists solely to justify them either wallowing in misery, committing suicide or going out and committing mass murder.

And your solution is telling them "actually, demonizing women is good so long as its not for biological reasons".

I've been clear about that multiple times.

I'm not giving you brownie points for making your misogyny sociological instead of biological. Acknowledging that incels are absolutely fucking idiots when it comes to women's biology is the bare minimum you can do if you're not actively trying to cover for their misogyny to turn this into yet another "women are to blame" screed.

So you're full of it here mate.

You just spent the entirety of this thread desperately trying to argue that women are the real source of the incel problem, and bashing anyone who dared to focus on the dangers of incels' misogyny and who proposed ideas aimed at curtailing that misogyny.

1. A lack of sex probably is a human rights violation in sociological terms. A lack of social interaction is a human rights violation, we call it solitary confinement. While you're not entitled to have any specific person socialize with you, a general right to socialization is absolutely a human right. So it goes for sex. If a large number of people aren't having their needs met by a social system, that is evidence that system is oppressing them and needs to be reformed.

2. They think slavery and genocide because of the biotruth thing. Changing women is off the table because they don't believe women can change.

3. Criticism isn't demonization.

4. I've proposed solutions while dismissing feminist inspired gaslighting of them. It's not a solution to just gaslight incels and tell them their thoughts are wrong and everything they've noticed isn't real, or they're evil for noticing it. Explain what they've seen in more realistic terms.

[Cannot think of a name]

Well they'd come from the girlfriend farm, duh. Girlfriends grow on trees.

Mind, uh, directing me towards one of those trees? Or do they only work for men?

The lesbian variety are grown in bushes.



I'll show myself out...

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

They often have very skewed perceptions of what a relationship is.

They have fundamentally flawed and skewed perception of interpersonal relationship and in many cases low social skills and lack of experience with the other sex. Its not unusual for teenagers to go through such phases of where they feel that the world is against them etc.

The problem comes when the Incel community reinforces those flawed viewpoints and further legtimized them with crude theories and concepts, solidifiyng it and blocking the exits.

And that’s the crux of the matter. The reinforcement among themselves of such flawed viewpoints. It’s a soapbox, it feels good to be right, and since all they hear is that they’re right in thinking the way they do by other individuals who drank the KoolAid just like they did, there’s no stopping the garbage. The only way they can get out is through a Herculean effort. If the want to.

[The Blaatschapen]

Where do these state-provided girlfriends come from, pray tell? Because I'm definitely going to start an armed uprising if the state tries to take away mine and other women's bodily autonomy so that entitled men can have sex.

Well they'd come from the girlfriend farm, duh. Girlfriends grow on trees.

It's slightly different. Trees get girlfriends.

Source: https://www.elitedaily.com/news/world/w ... sex/977768

[Cekoviu]

Mind, uh, directing me towards one of those trees? Or do they only work for men?

The lesbian variety are grown in bushes.



I'll show myself out...

Can't believe I didn't think of that.

[The Black Forrest]

Respect and honesty, caring and love makes you a male feminist?

It does.

Ok? Well. Don't know what to tell you as those are ingredients of a relationship.

And to do that, you do not seek validation from others.

Yes and no. You want to have a partner; sometimes validation is involved.

And in order to get one (why you would is beyond me), you need good self esteem. Good self esteem doesn't come from others, it comes from yourself.

A partners validation is not about creating self-esteem.

If you don't have it; then you are most likely not in a relationship. Somebody who is a miserable mess all the time is....draining.

[Vetalia]

Well played!

Thank you, I tried to capture that distinct essence of the Incel that combines both rage against lack of using a woman as their personal sex toy and their hatred of the Eternal Jew.

[Cekoviu]

Well they'd come from the girlfriend farm, duh. Girlfriends grow on trees.

It's slightly different. Trees get girlfriends.

Source: https://www.elitedaily.com/news/world/w ... sex/977768

My god, I can't imagine how having sex with a tree would be comfortable. All the rough bark and spines... urggh.

[Costa Fierro]

You just spent the entirety of this thread desperately trying to argue that women are the real source of the incel problem, and bashing anyone who dared to focus on the dangers of incels' misogyny and who proposed ideas aimed at curtailing that misogyny.

Because the OP literally pointed out why those ideas are destined to fail. Had you actually read the OP, you would see that.

[Bear Stearns]

Well played!

Thank you, I tried to capture that distinct essence of the Incel that combines both rage against lack of using a woman as their personal sex toy and their hatred of the Eternal Jew.

what about jewish incels

[Ostroeuropa]

They have fundamentally flawed and skewed perception of interpersonal relationship and in many cases low social skills and lack of experience with the other sex. Its not unusual for teenagers to go through such phases of where they feel that the world is against them etc.

The problem comes when the Incel community reinforces those flawed viewpoints and further legtimized them with crude theories and concepts, solidifiyng it and blocking the exits.

And that’s the crux of the matter. The reinforcement among themselves of such flawed viewpoints. It’s a soapbox, it feels good to be right, and since all they hear is that they’re right in thinking the way they do by other individuals who drank the KoolAid just like they did, there’s no stopping the garbage. The only way they can get out is through a Herculean effort. If the want to.

The issue is that much of what they believe has good basis in fact, and most people attempting to dissuade them are telling them to reject the whole package. You're not going to convince people the moon landing is real by denying the US government exists at all so how could it plot a conspiracy?

To even begin you need to acknowledge a bunch of entry level things, and a lot of them involve acknowledging negative trends in most womens thoughts and behavior in how they treat and view men. Almost nobody is willing to do that.

[The Blaatschapen]

Mind, uh, directing me towards one of those trees? Or do they only work for men?

The lesbian variety are grown in bushes.



I'll show myself out...

Thank you.

We can ent the thread here.

[Ethel mermania]

Respect and honesty, caring and love makes you a male feminist?

I mean, feminism is nominally the logical conclusion of those things.

Most married right wing folks would disagree. my wife would define herself as a feminist, she would never define me as one.

[Cekoviu]

Thank you, I tried to capture that distinct essence of the Incel that combines both rage against lack of using a woman as their personal sex toy and their hatred of the Eternal Jew.

what about jewish incels

Internalized anti-Semitism, obviously. Do try to keep up.